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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:Good to see taxpayer money funding the magic bucky and methadone tree I know it's difficult but do try to be less of a twat.
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Rumda posted:If you want run down lovely seaside towns then I've got you beat Southport Blackpool and Morecambe in decreasing distance and increasing levels of crapness. Southport is slightly redeemed by hosting the Bangface Weekender. Blackpool is a monument to mans folly.
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Jun 20, 2017 10:31
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DesperateDan posted:That panorama. I feel like I should watch it but genuinely don't want to get too upset and angry. I feel like I'm a few more bad headlines away from throwing bricks as it is.
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Jun 20, 2017 10:32
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Loving Africa Chaps posted:ONS have started publishing regional fiscal transfers so how mch each reason either pays or recieves per person and how much revenue per person each place generates and recieves i like statistics that confirm my prejudices
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Jun 20, 2017 10:33
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Spuckuk posted:Bangface Weekender. Is that some kind of porn periodical?
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Jun 20, 2017 10:34
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:Good to see taxpayer money funding the magic bucky and methadone tree It's not as though a) both places have small populations and this limits economies of scale or b) some things have happened in Northern Ireland over the last wee while which require investment to fix. (I'd also point out the quite stonking GVA per capita in Belfast)
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Jun 20, 2017 10:36
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Loving Africa Chaps posted:It doesn't solve a problem to people with expense accounts because those people are already sitting in first class or at a table doing work over wifi or 4g so the extra 20 minutes saved it's a big deal
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Jun 20, 2017 10:45
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I'm sure those figures have absolutely nothing to do with capital accumulation either, no sir
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Jun 20, 2017 10:45
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Zephro posted:Speaking as a commuter on a line with an iffy mobile signal, train wifi is deeply poo poo. As in "won't even send you to the mandatory sign-in page 80% of the time" poo poo. Yeah, train wifi is exceptionally bollocks. Supposedly the buses around here have wifi too, but I've not even bothered trying it out.
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Jun 20, 2017 10:49
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OwlFancier posted:Is that some kind of porn periodical? Its considerably messier than that. Basically a big 3 day rave in a Pontins, which is far more fun than I'm making it sound.
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Jun 20, 2017 10:49
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Playstation 4 posted:What is it with you bloody Limeys and tree analogies? Is it just "it's one letter of off tea and we love that poo poo"?
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Jun 20, 2017 10:50
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communism bitch posted:I know it's difficult but do try to be less of a twat. autism is no excuse for IFM's posting
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Jun 20, 2017 10:52
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learnincurve posted:An none of them will be the poors. If you cannot run the trains you have so people on an average wage can afford them then you absolutely should not be building trains that are more expensive. All you are doing is using the poor to subsidise the rich. That's how much they can hold, how may tickets will actually be sold. With that logic you'd never have the London underground A lot of infrastructure is expensive to build.
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Jun 20, 2017 10:53
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Spuckuk posted:Its considerably messier than that. Aww that just reminded me of how I used to go on holidays to Hemsby Pontins as a kid, then about 6 months ago I found all these urban exploration pictures of it abandoned and trashed and felt so  Pretty sure mum cried when she saw the pictures.
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Jun 20, 2017 10:55
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TACD posted:We'd all love to use a different analogy for each occasion but there's no magic analogy tree. lol Also not true because there's the "magic [blank] tree" analogy that always does the job
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Jun 20, 2017 10:59
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:lol Would that were the case but there's no magic magic [blank] tree tree
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Jun 20, 2017 11:01
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Spuckuk posted:Southport is slightly redeemed by hosting the Bangface Weekender. Blackpool is a shithole built on a swamp populated by alcoholics and the mentally ill
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Jun 20, 2017 11:03
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Spuckuk posted:Its considerably messier than that. Can confirm, is a stupid amount of fun.
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Jun 20, 2017 11:08
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Lifeglug posted:Can confirm, is a stupid amount of fun. Hard Crew 
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Jun 20, 2017 11:11
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Big Vince has just confirmed he's going for the Lib Dem Leader belt, bah gawd how is Norman Lamb going to come back from this?!
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Jun 20, 2017 11:17
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learnincurve posted:An none of them will be the poors. If you cannot run the trains you have so people on an average wage can afford them then you absolutely should not be building trains that are more expensive. All you are doing is using the poor to subsidise the rich. That's how much they can hold, how may tickets will actually be sold. UK trains are actually really cheap compared to other countries when booked in advance and used off-peak. They're only more expensive when you book for today and travel in peak hours. The UK government has been making money off the train operating companies the past few years (p5). The lines which currently cost the government the most per km travelled are Northern, Merseyside, Wales and Scotland (p8). Conversely, the lines which make money for the government are in richer regions. Most of the government money spent on rail goes directly to Network Rail, which is already nationalised. NR costs £8bn a year though, and since these stats indicate that the top 20% of earners make 40% of all rail trips, that makes it look like rail services are only for the rich. Thing is, the top quintile makes up 50% of government revenues (3.3), so it works out as a net rail subsidy for the other 80%.
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Jun 20, 2017 11:20
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Spuckuk posted:Its considerably messier than that. So it's like All Tomorrow's Parties before they turned into a shambles unable to run a festival, & with techno (sorry, this is me being an old man, I know techno is a certain type of music but all dance music is techno to me, PS don't you dare confuse blackened crust & blackened death metal, these are very different things & only an idiot couldn't tell the difference between them) tunes instead. Though I see Atari Teenage Riot are on this years bill. ATR are good fun. Saw Alec Empire live, never seen the full ATR though, for shame.
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Jun 20, 2017 11:20
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coffeetable posted:UK trains are actually really cheap compared to other countries when booked in advance and used off-peak. They're only more expensive when you book for today and travel in peak hours. gently caress off. Yes, UK trains are can be really cheap but only if you don't book too early, because the expensive tickets go on sale before the advance tickets, and only if you don't book too late. And there's a very limited number of them. So good luck. I mean sure, I've been able to get £20 return to Glasgow from Inverness, but usually I'm lucky if it's under £35. And god forbid you decide 2 weeks out that you want to go on a trip to the city, you're looking at £55. It's loving awful. The ticketing system is a labyrinthe nightmare which exists to ensure you can't loving buy the cheapest tickets. When I was in Glasgow I saw £10 single to London on Virgin advertised but I assure that not once did I ever manage to buy one of these mythical loving tickets. Buying train tickets is a nightmare and gently caress privatisation for making it so. Sometimes I want to just wake up & on a whim take a day trip to Kyle of Lochalsh or Aberdeen without having to pay through the roof.
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Jun 20, 2017 11:24
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Spuckuk posted:Its considerably messier than that. Huh, this does look a lot of fun. Some decent artists this year too.
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Jun 20, 2017 11:25
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learnincurve posted:Oh now. You have literally no idea what beeching did to everywhere outside the Home Counties if you throw that argument back at me. What we need is all the little towns and villages connected to each other and to major cities, if not by train then the bus service must be improved to compensate. I would complain about Derbyshire being split into two and it taking 4 hours to travel 20 miles by train, but then I look at wales and think "poor bastards". how do you expect to connect the little towns and villages to major cities when the rail lines into the cities are at maximum capacity already? what you raged against - "Build next stage of HS2 from Midlands to the North West" - has nothing to do with the Home Counties? the whole HS2 line when completed will run the entire length of the country, barely even touching the Home Counties except to cross Buckinghamshire and clip a corner of Middlesex. there are already differently priced fast (Virgin) and slow (Midland) trains from Euston to Birmingham. but again you are repeating without thinking a NIMBY slogan - that the HS2 is for people to get between London & Birmingam a bit faster - but that's obviously stupid as soon as you realise the line doesn't terminate there.
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Jun 20, 2017 11:25
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forkboy84 posted:gently caress off. Yes, UK trains are can be really cheap but only if you don't book too early, because the expensive tickets go on sale before the advance tickets, and only if you don't book too late. And there's a very limited number of them. So good luck. I mean sure, I've been able to get £20 return to Glasgow from Inverness, but usually I'm lucky if it's under £35. And god forbid you decide 2 weeks out that you want to go on a trip to the city, you're looking at £55. It's loving awful. The ticketing system is a labyrinthe nightmare which exists to ensure you can't loving buy the cheapest tickets. When I was in Glasgow I saw £10 single to London on Virgin advertised but I assure that not once did I ever manage to buy one of these mythical loving tickets. Why would you ever willingly visit Aberdeen jfc I will admit train prices are a joke. I was lucky to get a return Nairn-Aberdeen for less than £35 if I booked close to the travel time. That's only an 80 mile trip each way. At least the wi-fi on Scottish trains is marginally better than on English, which by that I mean I'm not convinced there is wi-fi on trains down here. Whimsicalfuckery fucked around with this message at 11:37 on Jun 20, 2017 |
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Jun 20, 2017 11:28
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forkboy84 posted:gently caress off. Yes, UK trains are can be really cheap but only if you don't book too early, because the expensive tickets go on sale before the advance tickets, and only if you don't book too late. And there's a very limited number of them. So good luck. I mean sure, I've been able to get £20 return to Glasgow from Inverness, but usually I'm lucky if it's under £35. And god forbid you decide 2 weeks out that you want to go on a trip to the city, you're looking at £55. It's loving awful. The ticketing system is a labyrinthe nightmare which exists to ensure you can't loving buy the cheapest tickets. When I was in Glasgow I saw £10 single to London on Virgin advertised but I assure that not once did I ever manage to buy one of these mythical loving tickets. This. Fuckin' this. I don't care if I have to pay a little more than the advance-but-not-too-advance price now if I can pay a lot less for a closer date. Just a bit of consistency and flexibility in pricing would make life so much easier, and it'll mean no longer having to turn people down for gatherings and events I'd really like to attend because I flat out can't afford a train ticket without a month and a half's notice
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Jun 20, 2017 11:33
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On trainchat - we had the vice president of Samsung visit us. This man has been driven about during his entire term there and knows not of public transport and is basically Korean royalty, so we got a kick out of the fact that he had to get on a Virgin train from loving Wigan so he could get to Scotland. The sweet scent of pies, special brew, and piss filling his nostrils as he boarded.
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Jun 20, 2017 11:33
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David Davis started Brexit talks by gifting a book by Maurice Herzog https://twitter.com/jonathangaventa/status/876860329854197761 It's about his stubborn journey and the book is definitely not comparable to Brexit in any way. The linked tweet thread gives the synopsis.
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Jun 20, 2017 11:34
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Maw posted:Huh, this does look a lot of fun. Some decent artists this year too. I saw Aphex Twin one year at the weekender and it completely blew my mind*, easily the best thing I've ever seen live. Really fun thing really, tends toward the harder end of stuff, full of mad lovely europeans and almost entirely dickhead free. This year had the delightful bonus of seeing some complete Tarquin being escorted off the premises as I arrived, shouting to no avail 'My fathers a lawyer you know'. *I was, not by coincidence, astonishingly off my face.
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Jun 20, 2017 11:38
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Spuckuk posted:Its considerably messier than that. Holy gently caress, the line up for this is amazing. Shobaleader One, Clark, Luke Vibert, The Black Dog, Ceephax Acid Crew, Wisp...wish I'd known about it earlier. One to save up for for next summer, I think...
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Jun 20, 2017 11:38
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Spuckuk posted:I saw Aphex Twin one year at the weekender and it completely blew my mind*, easily the best thing I've ever seen live. Ahaha. Sounds ace. Alan G posted:David Davis started Brexit talks by gifting a book by Maurice Herzog https://twitter.com/jonathangaventa/status/876860329854197761 It's good how brexit is being negotiated by a bunch of stubborn old people tbh.
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Jun 20, 2017 11:42
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What a lovely day to have a fire alarm go off. Currently sat on a green in Canary Wharf 
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Jun 20, 2017 11:44
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forkboy84 posted:gently caress off. Yes, UK trains are can be really cheap but only if you don't book too early, because the expensive tickets go on sale before the advance tickets, and only if you don't book too late. And there's a very limited number of them. So good luck. I mean sure, I've been able to get £20 return to Glasgow from Inverness, but usually I'm lucky if it's under £35. And god forbid you decide 2 weeks out that you want to go on a trip to the city, you're looking at £55. It's loving awful. The ticketing system is a labyrinthe nightmare which exists to ensure you can't loving buy the cheapest tickets. When I was in Glasgow I saw £10 single to London on Virgin advertised but I assure that not once did I ever manage to buy one of these mythical loving tickets. e: I guess more people could use the routes you use, but for many routes that'd necessitate capacity upgrades.
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Jun 20, 2017 11:45
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There certainly needs to be more transparency in ticket pricing, but the fundamentals are that there's wildly varying demand being matched against a very limited supply, which is going to necessitate wildly varying prices. It's a way to shift as many people off peak hours and last minute purchases as possible, and it works.
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Jun 20, 2017 11:47
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coffeetable posted:UK trains are actually really cheap compared to other countries when booked in advance and used off-peak. They're only more expensive when you book for today and travel in peak hours. "Tickets are affordable if you book in advance at off-peak times" is the she-shouldn't-have-been-dressed-like-that of train chat. It's a poxy little victim-blaming deflection that doesn't relate to the actual issue.
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Jun 20, 2017 11:47
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Seriously, the WCML has to deal with freight, intercity, and stoppers along its entire route and south of Crewe and especially south of Rugby it can only fit two of them. So without HS2, either we offload freight onto the M6, which is Very Very Bad–because the M6 is already massively congested and you'd need hundreds of extra HGVs per hour to match current freight usage–or you curtail one of the two types of passenger transit. And lol if you think that the government are going to listen to people in the North over swing voters in Milton Keynes. Also what's not actually brought up is that without HS2, many of the classic line projects–for example, MML or transpennine electrification–will be delayed because one of the massive failings of the Blair government (and especially Alistair Darling) is the lack of an electrification plan, leading to brain drain of qualified railway engineers. HS2, being the massive project that it is, is going to train up tons of new railway engineers, who will probably be getting to the work that should've been done in CP5 being done in the lull between Phase 1 and Phase 2 of HS2. That said, I wouldn't trust any government in Westminster to make proper strategic decisions on the very southern end of HS2. The WCML in London is going to be an absolute ball-ache while they build the new Euston station and constituency pressures means nobody's doing what really needs to be done. The lack of vision in linking HS1 to HS2 is also massively annoying. I mean, for god's sake, just announce the extension of Crossrail to Ebbsfleet that we all know is going to happen. 
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Jun 20, 2017 11:48
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coffeetable posted:Ok. This isn't a bait question: where do you think the money should come from? Tax the rich. The idea that a public transport service has to be self-sustaining is wrong.
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Jun 20, 2017 11:48
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Vitamin P posted:"Tickets are affordable if you book in advance at off-peak times" is the she-shouldn't-have-been-dressed-like-that of train chat. It's a poxy little victim-blaming deflection that doesn't relate to the actual issue. The actual issue is that demand varies wildly between peak and off-peak. What's the alternative way of smoothing it?
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