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SirDan3k posted:Nobody with an ounce of comic knowledge should get mad about Cap's heel turn but that exploded. Rhodes isn't even going to be the shocking death. That'll be when (probably) Banner dies in the next issue. People will be dumb and get mad about that because it's a name they actually care about. They'll still be dumb for it. Also people are forgetting Rhodes death was shown in the FCBD issue so his death was old news by the time Civil War II actually started coming out.
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ImpAtom posted:It was overshadowed by the Cap thing basically., That overshadowed everything that week. Including, amazingly, DC killing off their entire universe, again.
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SynthOrange posted:That overshadowed everything that week. Including, amazingly, DC killing off their entire universe, again. Well, to be fair, it's kinda easy to overshadow something that didn't happen.
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I think it's disingenuous to say that people are silly for getting upset about character deaths in mainstream comics, since almost anything can be retconned, so the argument can be made that you shouldn't get excited about anything either. I don't want to seem hyper-dramatic on the internet with this argument, but One More Day, Cap's entire history (I know, I know) etc do show that very few things are sacred. Regardless, surely it's a good thing that people care after all these years? I say this as someone who gets frustrated at the whining against more diverse legacy characters too. That said, killing off a black character during Civil War again, while in the same issue resurrecting someone without even putting much effort in... comics are weird. I'm mostly concerned about Shulkie since she's amazing in Hellcat and A-Force, and her recent solo series owned. She'd be such a loss to them, but I'm confident she'll be fine and I hope that the next Hellcat issue is still fun, despite everything. EDIT: Bring back Phyla-Vell! Metalshark fucked around with this message at 11:06 on Jun 24, 2016 |
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Nobby posted:The only non-original characters Arena/Undercover maybe does well with are Hazmat and Cammi, and those are skeptical maybes. KittyEmpress posted:You say that everyone is back eventually, but Mettle is still dead, and that is the worst thing. Metalshark posted:I think it's disingenuous to say that people are silly for getting upset about character deaths in mainstream comics, since almost anything can be retconned, so the argument can be made that you shouldn't get excited about anything either. I don't want to seem hyper-dramatic on the internet with this argument, but One More Day, Cap's entire history (I know, I know) etc do show that very few things are sacred.
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Jun 24, 2016 19:01
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Everything Bendis and Breevort have said makes it sound like they are not planning to bring him back, they just don't want to say "he'll never come back" because they know some other writer may bring him back eventually. They're hedging hard enough on She-Hulk that I'm sure she'll recover, plus having someone in a coma for several issues ending with "welp she died" is anticlimactic as hell - if she was going to die she'd have died.
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Uh, so I have a question about buying comics. I only read digital comics because my eyes aren't very good and I need them to be on my PC monitor. Anyway, I found this site called comixology and it seems to have...almost everything, really. In terms of mainstream comics, I'm only interested in certain X-books but it also has Watchmen, which I want to read. But anyway, I'm listening to a podcast about X-Men that advises Marvel Unlimited to read back issues. Should I get that instead of comixology? I had already found most of the books I wanted on comixology as I'm trying to buy a lot of Rachel Summers/Grey stuff and drat near all of it is on there. (except Excalibur. Most of it is missing) But I don't know which site to use for this. Should I just try both?
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Jun 24, 2016 19:55
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NikkolasKing posted:Uh, so I have a question about buying comics. Try Marvel Unlimited first. It's only a small flat fee for everything, whereas Comixology charges you per issue. Use Comixology to fill in gaps you find on Marvel Unlimited.
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Jun 24, 2016 19:58
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NikkolasKing posted:Uh, so I have a question about buying comics. comixology you buy the issues while Marvel unlimited you bay a fee and you get the entire catalog.
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Jun 24, 2016 19:59
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NikkolasKing posted:Uh, so I have a question about buying comics. It's not really a matter of getting both. Comixology is just a store that has everything, new and old, and you buy per issue just like physical. Marvel Unlimited is a monthly or yearly subscription with the ability to read everything in it for free, which basically means everything Marvel that is more than 6 months old. I use MU for reading stuff that it has, adn buy whatever else I want to read on Comixology. Another note, comixology is just a storefront - if you download the Marvel or DC or Image comics reading apps, they are just the same thing except only showing that portion of the store.
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Jun 24, 2016 20:01
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JoshTheStampede posted:Everything Bendis and Breevort have said makes it sound like they are not planning to bring him back, they just don't want to say "he'll never come back" because they know some other writer may bring him back eventually. Since I'm pretty sure Banner is going to die, that would probably mean She-Hulk is safe and will have more purpose after the event.
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Jun 24, 2016 20:03
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Codependent Poster posted:Since I'm pretty sure Banner is going to die, that would probably mean She-Hulk is safe and will have more purpose after the event. She's also in multiple decently popular books, whereas Banner was in none until last week and Rhodey was in 1, sometimes.
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Jun 24, 2016 20:04
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Here's some more of those teasers Marvel's been posting. Ms Marvel and Riri Williams  Black Panther and Prowler  America Chavez and Dr. Doom 
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Jun 24, 2016 20:49
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How many captain America related heroes are there? I know of John Walker, Battlestar, American Eagle, Jack Flagg, Bucky, and Sam Wilson. Is there anymore? If there is we need a Captain Americas book.
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Jun 24, 2016 21:33
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Mr Hootington posted:How many captain America related heroes are there? I know of John Walker, Battlestar, American Eagle, Jack Flagg, Bucky, and Sam Wilson. Is there anymore? If there is we need a Captain Americas book. US Agent. You could throw Nuke in there I guess?
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Jun 24, 2016 21:33
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Comixology just launched an Unlimited plan with a 30 day free trial, though it looks mostly Image stuff is currently available.
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Jun 24, 2016 22:10
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Robot Danger posted:Comixology just launched an Unlimited plan with a 30 day free trial, though it looks mostly Image stuff is currently available. It's a lot of non-Big 2 stuff, but it seems to be more of a "The first trade of everything" sort of plan than an "everything older than X" plan like Marvel. It's cheaper, too, so maybe that is what peoepl are looking for. It's more of a way to get into new things than a way to catch up on old stuff. \/\/ To be fair, it only looks bad compared to Marvel Unlimited. If you read like, one thing every two months off it you've broken even.
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Jun 24, 2016 22:12
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Robot Danger posted:Comixology just launched an Unlimited plan with a 30 day free trial, though it looks mostly Image stuff is currently available. Yep don't get it because it is pretty much a sampler.
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Jun 24, 2016 22:13
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I've got and am enjoying Marvel Unlimited, but I heard that Comixology pretty much gave you unlimited IDW comics confirm/deny?
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Jun 24, 2016 22:26
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CAPT. Rainbowbeard posted:I've got and am enjoying Marvel Unlimited, but I heard that Comixology pretty much gave you unlimited IDW comics confirm/deny? Deny. Usually just the first trade of the series.
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Jun 24, 2016 22:28
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Comixology Unlimited is probably good for a month if you want to sign up and try out the first arc of several books from smaller companies. There's no reason whatsoever to keep it for more than one month though. The plan is basically you paying a smaller fee to try out several new books and then you pay more if you like them.
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Thanks everyone. I'll try out MU next week when I have some money. Or I plan to, anyway. I just want to make sure of something. I can read comics on my Windows Desktop, right? I don't need this App for a smartphone or whatever? Because that would kind of be missing the point that I need a big screen to read these things.(pretty sure Archie only lets you read stuff via a phone app now in terms of digital comics, for instance) On the FAQ it says this new version is only on certain devices and I'm jut not sure what that might mean.
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Jun 24, 2016 22:56
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MU works fine on browsers, but it's a pain to navigate, or was, the last time I had it. JoshTheStampede posted:US Agent. You could throw Nuke in there I guess? He already said USAgent (John Walker). American Dream, if you're counting MC2. The 3 different Nomads. Golden Girl. And Free Spirit, that one weird attempt to both give Cap a new sidekick and try this new 'women's lib' thing by making the character a violent brainwashed misandrist who dressed in skimpy outfits.
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Gaz-L posted:And Free Spirit, that one weird attempt to both give Cap a new sidekick and try this new 'women's lib' thing by making the character a violent brainwashed misandrist who dressed in skimpy outfits. I can't believe no one took Gruenwald out back and told him it was time to stop writing when he pitched that poo poo.
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So I've spent the past couple days reading up on Teens in Crisis (Avengers Initiative/Academy, Young Avengers vol. 1 and all of BKV's Runaways). Avengers Initiative was a loving mess but once past the first "season" or whatever (when the new class came on and Taskmaster was brought on as an instructor) the series dramatically improved in quality. It also helped that Initiative had tie-ins to events that made logical sense, so the Secret Invasion/Dark Reign/Siege tie-in issues were all really fantastic. Dark Reign, especially, changed the status quo of the series in a way that felt really intuitive and earned. Academy was, start-to-finish, a fantastic series. It added new characters in a way that made total sense and everyone grew and changed at an organic rate, while the underlying mystery of the series - are these kids good or bad - was addressed in clever enough ways to constantly engage. I honestly wonder why Avengers Academy isn't just, like, an ongoing thing (mutant academy without all the baggage of the X-Men, basically), like an ongoing title that constantly introduces - and promotes - new teen hero characters. It's really kinda surprising. But yeah, fantastic series. I liked YA volume 1 but to me it's vastly inferior to volume 2, which had a better and more interesting cast (Gillen's Loki is my single favorite Marvel character ever) and I really liked the setup for volume 2, with a constant overwhelming threat over a collection of smaller arcs that build loosely into an overall story. But yeah, even besides Loki I think Noh-Varr/America Chavez/Prodigy and collectively more interesting than Iron Lad/young Vision/Patriot. I also think Kate Bishop works as a better character after having gone through Fraction's Hawkeye which is the version that Gillen went with. In general I just find volume 2 to be more cohesive and to use the flavor of Runaways that nobody besides Gillen was really using, the idea of a bunch of super-powered young people against the world. Which brings me to Runaways. The standout of the the group, Vaughn's run on the book is a loving classic, 42 issues of pure quality from beginning to end. It's obviously a hugely influential book reading it even a decade-plus after it came out, and was a really engrossing book from start to finish. Old Lace rules. I wish that the later volumes were considered good because I still would love to read those characters doing their thing (although it's nice to finally see who the hell Nico Minoru on A-Force is or why Victor on Vision is such a big deal), but yeah, fantastic series.
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NikkolasKing posted:Thanks everyone. I'll try out MU next week when I have some money. Totally, it has a browser version, even has the whole "panel to panel" sorta zoom or you can just click to see the whole page and then a general zoom. It's pretty great, i'm chipping away through the original Amazing Spider-man run (that tonal shift after Ditko left was so notable wow, but still really good) and reading a bunch of current runs from the All-New All-Different relaunch and it's great, just the latter already make this worth the price of admission.
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Toxxupation posted:So I've spent the past couple days reading up on Teens in Crisis (Avengers Initiative/Academy, Young Avengers vol. 1 and all of BKV's Runaways).
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Mr Hootington posted:How many captain America related heroes are there? I know of John Walker, Battlestar, American Eagle, Jack Flagg, Bucky, and Sam Wilson. Is there anymore? If there is we need a Captain Americas book. Free Spirit, Patriot, Superpatriot (there's been a few), Miss America Chavez, Americop. Non Marvel there's Fighting American and the Shield. DC had the first Steel who had a flag themed costume.
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Rhyno posted:Free Spirit, Patriot, Superpatriot (there's been a few), Miss America Chavez, Americop. Thanks we need Captain America's diversity Team the book.
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ArmyOfMidgets posted:Totally, it has a browser version, even has the whole "panel to panel" sorta zoom or you can just click to see the whole page and then a general zoom. It's pretty great, i'm chipping away through the original Amazing Spider-man run (that tonal shift after Ditko left was so notable wow, but still really good) and reading a bunch of current runs from the All-New All-Different relaunch and it's great, just the latter already make this worth the price of admission. Sweet, thank you. I'm mainly an X-Men fan and want to read the iconic Claremont stuff, ya know. I've only really read stuff from the 00s or some 90s stuff. But this will be very helpful and spare my wallet.
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I like the government guy saying the Ultimates look like a Benetton ad.
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twistedmentat posted:I like the government guy saying the Ultimates look like a Benetton ad. I actually had to google that joke to really appreciate it but yeah, it was pretty good.
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I also really miss Avengers Academy. Gage was really good and actually made me give a crap about almost everyone in the book, from Finesse and Hazmat, down to Hank Pym, Tigra and Julie Power. twistedmentat posted:I like the government guy saying the Ultimates look like a Benetton ad. Also, no-one's mentioned that, unless I'm mistaken, Ewing's using the weird interdimensional G-men stuff from Joe Kelly's Deadpool?
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He's using stuff from newuniversal.
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Wanderer posted:He's using stuff from newuniversal. Still insane and amazing. By which I mean literally making me gape in amazement.
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Gaz-L posted:I also really miss Avengers Academy. Gage was really good and actually made me give a crap about almost everyone in the book, from Finesse and Hazmat, down to Hank Pym, Tigra and Julie Power. The Finesse/X-23 interactions were a highlight. I really hope Finesse tries to reconnect with Laura on All-New Wolverine, because their friendship ruled and I'd hate to see that be the end of it.
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Did you read the Civil War: Young Avengers/Runaways mini series? Zeb Wells got to be one of the first people to write either of those teams, and was the first person other than Morrison to write Noh Varr.
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Toxxupation posted:The Finesse/X-23 interactions were a highlight. I really hope Finesse tries to reconnect with Laura on All-New Wolverine, because their friendship ruled and I'd hate to see that be the end of it. That's where Finesse is from. She's in Lego Avengers and I was wondering who the hell she was. Also, see Hope again.
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Read the latest Scarlet Witch - hurry up with a series about the dual-weilding, enchanted pistol-packing, Hong Kong witchcop, Marvel. TIA.
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:IMHO the notion that "Vision is a robot obsessed with the idea of family" is somehow untrue to the character's entire publication history is loving laughable. Does this mean that anyone who questions whether the culmination of the past 40 years of Punisher stories is one where he takes law school classes from Phoenix University and runs to be a circuit court judge in Kings County is a loving idiot because HE WANTS TO PUNISH CRIMINALS AND PUNISH CRIME, IT'S WHAT HE DOES. If DC decided to do an All-Star Batman that is all about how Batman starts making baby Bruce Wayne clones to train to be Robins and all of the Justice League is all "well yeah, we always assumed Bruce was sexually abused as a kid, but now we're worried he's perfected cloning so he won't harm any more kids himself" or something, wouldn't that be about childhood innocence lost, about Batman's family/army, about trying to stop crime? quote:"Family" is the throughline for basically every Vision story. Ultron's his "father," Wonder Man is his "brother," it's always been about family with him. He builds a new robot family because every time he tries making an actual family it gets all hosed up because he is a robot and cannot have nice things, and also because he doesn't quite grok that "all hosed up" is the default state of basically any family in human history. He wants a Norman Rockwell painting and can't have it but because he's a creature of logic he simply decides that he must not have done it right last time so he'll do better this time, because the problem is clearly with his family and not with his own flawed understanding of what family means. There are some other "robots" in the family (yes yes synthezoids or whatever) and to be honest, most of them have a pretty rough history. His father Ultron is a hate-filled genocidal maniac. Vision's main interaction with his sister Jocasta has been her trying to be a homewrecker back when he was married to Wanda because she just kind of assumed robots would stick with robots. Ultron made another "sister" Alkhema in the 1990s, and like the Vision, she turned against their father, except her reasoning was that she really liked killing humans, and wanted to do it one at a time, rather than in big mass-death events. That's his robot family. His human family is also "hosed up" I guess, in the sense that his ex-wife has had a traumatic life that has resulted in tragedy. His 'brother' Wonder Man has been estranged at various points, but is not a murderer. His 'grandfather' Hank Pym is also troubled, but is a pretty decent guy compared to Ultron. He's made some pretty decent friends (name a Bronze Age Avenger) who are flesh and blood and for the most part they've managed to be pretty decent role models of "not completely hosed up". The idea that he would look at a history of trauma that involves robots and humans alike (and in which the majority of trauma comes from robots and the vast majority of positive memories come from humans) and go "yeah, humans, they're the problem" makes zero sense. He's also really explicitly not a "creature of logic" unless you're using that in some sort of euphemistic Reed Richards/semi-repressed smart guy way, not a "he is robot, he has no soul, he can not understand hu-man emotion" way. quote:Every good Vision story - every Vision story that I can remember, whether good or not - revolved around family to some degree, be it his relationship with Wanda, his relationship with Simon, his relationship with Ultron, et cetera. Stripping away the accumulated familial dross and trying to start from scratch with a built-to-order family instead isn't ignoring the character's history; it's the culmination of it. I can agree that a core concept of the Vision is that he desperately wants 'a family', but the throughline has always been that what he really wants is to feel a part of something and connect with other beings. I am sure you can work your way around to how this would lead him to a deeply flawed and obviously bad idea of just building a wife and teenage kids and plopping them into a suburb and not bothering to make sure they understand basic human culture/emotions before unleashing them on the world, but doing so would be some sort of obvious psychotic break that would have all of his friends immediately concerned about his well-being, not having them go "well he's always been a loving weirdo, let's try to be polite while he does his weird poo poo. And be ready to kill all those robots."
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