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Zemyla posted:Also, EDM's going to end like this: Please don’t be disrespectful of the story. You might not care but others do.
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Zemyla posted:Bolas poses with his foreclaws touching and says, "Yes, just as planned." even though he had nothing to do with anything that happened here. Nicky B could find out that he's actually a fictional character in a children's card game and he'd still say "ha ha, fools, exactly as I planned"
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Some Numbers posted:Wait, are you saying that Bolas planned for Sarkhan to go back in time and save Ugin, despite Bolas having killed Ugin centuries ago? Yes, Bolas planned to fail to ensure his ultimate success because..... I'm actually 100% sure this is how it is actually going to play out.
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Mar 30, 2016 20:01
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Zemyla posted:
Dont you mean "all as according to keikaku".
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Mar 30, 2016 20:12
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Zemyla posted:Tamiyo planeswalks away with Arlinn, finds Kiora, Ral, and Narset, and forms the Cloudcrest Lake Avengers.
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Mar 30, 2016 20:13
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From reading a very small amount of the story, Jace seems to have an interesting basic concept for his character. He comes across as some sort of psychic autist who can read minds but still has poo poo for social skills. It's a nifty self-contradiction for a character, and it leads to things like him being constantly jealous of Gideon for being able to get people to do what he needs them to do and make them feel good about it without any magic at all. Liliana is actually just a straight hardass. She sold her soul to demons for power, and now she's getting out of her Faustian bargain by using that power to hunt down and kill the demons. She's also quite nakedly self-interested without being outright sadistic or malicious, so it leaves the writers free to have her do basically whatever she feels like without having her turn into some mustache-twirling villain like Ob Nixilis, which allows her to have strained relationships with the career do-gooders.
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Mar 30, 2016 20:16
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Zoness posted:Dont you mean "all as according to keikaku". No, we already said the problem was that it wasn't Tamiyo.
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Mar 30, 2016 20:22
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Chill la Chill posted:No, we already said the problem was that it wasn't Tamiyo. Nicol Bolas is a canon japan enthusiast though, he calls himself "Ryu Sensei" in time spiral block when hes manipulating Venser.
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Voyager I posted:From reading a very small amount of the story, Jace seems to have an interesting basic concept for his character. He comes across as some sort of psychic autist who can read minds but still has poo poo for social skills. It's a nifty self-contradiction for a character, and it leads to things like him being constantly jealous of Gideon for being able to get people to do what he needs them to do and make them feel good about it without any magic at all. Yeah. I am 100% certain that a good writer who wasn't shackled by a mandate to flog cardboard to socially frustrated nerds could take the basic character sketches for all of the planeswalkers and do something good with them.
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Yawgmoth posted:Well I would guess it's because I don't know, he came off as a much more nuanced character than any of the other members of the Gatewatch. Gideon was mostly just John Cena, Planeswalker and Nissa's comical obsession with being the biggest tree hugger ever was way worse.
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Mar 30, 2016 20:31
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Angry Grimace posted:Gideon was mostly just John Cena Gideon wishes he was as cool as John Cena
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Mar 30, 2016 20:33
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Rinkles posted:You guys are making Jace sad 
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Red: Chandra, Tybalt, Koth Black, Sorin, Liliana, Ob NIxilis White:Ajani, Elspeth, Gideon Green: Nissa, Garruk Blue: Jace, Tamiyo Further, there are almost as many Nissa cards as there are Garruk cards. However, there is only 1 Non Jace monoblue planeswalker card . Zoness posted:
Madmarker posted:Well I am wrong that there have only been two different standard blue planeswalkers, but I stand by the overall point that he has worn out his welcome, and there is a lack of diversity in the blue planeswalker slot. Jace has overstayed his welcome. Retire him for a set or two, replace him with Tamiyo, or some other yet unknown blue planeswalker for a couple of sets, and I guarantee more people would be more kindly disposed to his character. Madmarker fucked around with this message at 20:55 on Mar 30, 2016 |
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Angry Grimace posted:I don't know, he came off as a much more nuanced character than any of the other members of the Gatewatch. Gideon was mostly just John Cena, Planeswalker and Nissa's comical obsession with being the biggest tree hugger ever was way worse. I don't think it's so much that the characters are bad as that the writing itself is frequently bad, such that the more time a character spends in the story the less the readers end up liking them. Gideon is a cardboard cutout but it's a pretty easy archetype to not gently caress up and he doesn't seem to be the perspective character very often.
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Madmarker posted:The other problem with Jace, other than not being Tamiyo, is that we have only had Tamiyo as the only other mono-blue planeswalker. Blue and Green are the only colors that have only had two planeswalkers that were monocolor and standard legal.  There was a time when this guy was very strong in standard, extended, and vintage.
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If Jace is the stand-in for the standard magic player, who is the stand-in for the MTGfinance types? Is it sorin? Is it the dragon dude? Is there someone who openly mocks the other planeswalkers about their lack of mana (funding) and inability to cast certain spells? ....is it Jace?
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Zoness posted:
Well I am wrong that there have only been two different standard blue planeswalkers, but I stand by the overall point that he has worn out his welcome, and there is a lack of diversity in the blue planeswalker slot. Madmarker fucked around with this message at 20:55 on Mar 30, 2016 |
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Mar 30, 2016 20:52
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Too bad they killed the coolest blue planeswalker
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Jace is alright. He talks to a guy about his relationship with Liliana and annoys him so much that the guy turns into a werewolf. Then when he tries to ask his ex for help she calls him a loving idiot and makes him sleep in the dungeon castle. He's awful with people and awful at combat, but good at making himself look smarter than he really is, which is a good hook for a character. But this a new direction for him, for several years Jace has been on a billion cards, some of which are busted as gently caress and he's consistently gotten flavor text and art that portray him like he's the Batman to Gideon's Superman. And if we're going by the branding that puts him at the front and center of nearly every set then he's not the protagonist we want, but the one
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Zoness posted:Too bad they killed the coolest blue planeswalker you have to narrow it down b/c they killed at least two blue planeswalkers, either of whom would be the coolest (three if you count urza)
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Mar 30, 2016 20:58
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Andrast posted:Gideon wishes he was as cool as John Cena i take offense to this
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Mar 30, 2016 21:00
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JOHN CENA posted:i take offense to this You are a lot cooler than Gideon.
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Mar 30, 2016 21:04
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UberJew posted:you have to narrow it down Venser is definitely #1.
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Chill la Chill posted:If Jace is the stand-in for the standard magic player, who is the stand-in for the MTGfinance types? Is it sorin? Is it the dragon dude? Is there someone who openly mocks the other planeswalkers about their lack of mana (funding) and inability to cast certain spells? Either covetous or capricious dragon.
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Chill la Chill posted:If Jace is the stand-in for the standard magic player, who is the stand-in for the MTGfinance types? Is it sorin? Is it the dragon dude? Is there someone who openly mocks the other planeswalkers about their lack of mana (funding) and inability to cast certain spells? 
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UberJew posted:you have to narrow it down Nah, Teferi's alive, just depowered I think. Unless you're saying he's uncool just because he's responsible for phasing, because I guess that's fair.
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Salvor_Hardin posted:Either covetous or capricious dragon. I was hoping there was a planeswalker that personified it, but a giant cockroach seems fitting. 
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Andrast posted:Gideon wishes he was as cool as John Cena Gideon is Roman Reigns. Hell, he's even starting to look like Reigns.
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Zemyla posted:I hope he gets pulled back to Ravnica and has to do his desk job there for the rest of his life, and Tamiyo becomes the blue planeswalker that shows up everywhere. Well seeing as how 2 of the Jacecateers are g-g-girls, and the other "main" walker is also a g-g-girl, I'd say WotC feels that a g-g-girl would sell more cards. inkblot posted:Gideon is Roman Reigns. Hell, he's even starting to look like Reigns.
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Chill la Chill posted:If Jace is the stand-in for the standard magic player, who is the stand-in for the MTGfinance types? Is it sorin? Is it the dragon dude? Is there someone who openly mocks the other planeswalkers about their lack of mana (funding) and inability to cast certain spells?  inkblot posted:Gideon is Roman Reigns. Hell, he's even starting to look like Reigns. Gideon can trigger Rally. I don't think this comparison works.
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Angry Grimace posted:I don't know, he came off as a much more nuanced character than any of the other members of the Gatewatch. Gideon was mostly just John Cena, Planeswalker and Nissa's comical obsession with being the biggest tree hugger ever was way worse. I agree with JerryLee that if they got anyone with a shred of writing competency they could be at least nominally interesting characters, but they have apparently decided that fanfiction.net dregs are acceptable.
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Angry Grimace posted:Gideon can trigger Rally. I don't think this comparison works. Reigns has recently been getting a lot of crowd reaction, I'll have you know!
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Angry Grimace posted:Gideon can trigger Rally. I don't think this comparison works. Everyone booing you at the same time is sort of a rally
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inkblot posted:Everyone booing you at the same time is sort of a rally "You still suck!" - Nissa and Chandra, Tree-Hugger and Tree-Burner of the Jacetice League E: Nissa is a mark, Chandra is a smark, and Jace is the guy who only likes formerly independent wrestlers but "respects" WWE-grown stars
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It's way too easy: Jace = Triple H Gideon = John Cena Chandra = Becky Lynch Nissa = Bayley I mean, the Becky one is kind of self-evident though:  Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 22:05 on Mar 30, 2016 |
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I'd be all for professional wrestling styled gimmicks to show up with planeswalkers.
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Angry Grimace posted:It's way too easy: Chandra + 50 shades of gray trench coat + a diaper? Is this what kids like now?
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Snacksmaniac posted:Looming ahead of him was a towering archway, tall enough that six Jaces stacked head to toe could have fit through. The scale of Jacetice.
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