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Lessail: Apr 1, 2011; tell me how vgk aren't playing like shit again

p.s. help my grapes are so sour!

unbutthurtable posted:

69 AND bust

# ? Jul 12, 2018 20:49

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# ? Jun 10, 2024 20:38

Marxalot: Dec 24, 2008; Appropriator of
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unbutthurtable posted:

69 AND bust

# ? Jul 12, 2018 20:50

Vhak lord of hate: Jun 6, 2008; I AM DRINK THE BLOOD OF JESUS

Dang dsa is almost the size of a large town now, very impressive!

# ? Jul 12, 2018 20:51

Wraith of J.O.I.: Jan 25, 2012

cap membership at 69,420

# ? Jul 12, 2018 20:58

Sheng-Ji Yang: Mar 5, 2014

https://twitter.com/NewOrleansDSA/status/1016796990288613377

https://twitter.com/TCDSA_HsgJust/status/1016837310506156032

# ? Jul 12, 2018 21:04

big black turnout: Jan 13, 2009; Fallen Rib

unbutthurtable posted:

69 AND bust

# ? Jul 12, 2018 21:08

the mean lunch lady: Jun 24, 2009; went mad at sea
lots were drawn
Kroenke didn't survive
he was delicious

unbutthurtable posted:

69 AND bust

# ? Jul 12, 2018 21:29

Nice piece of fish: Jan 29, 2008; Ultra Carp

apropos to nothing posted:

theres nothing inherently wrong with reforms and fighting for reforms does not make you a social democrat. social democrats traditionally see the way to socialism as being through gaining state power via bourgeois elections, nowadays, its more just wanting welfare capitalism. socialism wants the democratic control of all the wealth and production of society to be in the hands of the workers. to achieve this, the working class has to build its power and organization so that it can wrest control of society away from capital.

if you are a social democrat, that means you view getting elected and pushing for change in your capacity as a representative as the goal; similarly if youre not an elected official you see winning reforms like universal healthcare etc. as the goal. if you are a revolutionary, then winning office or fighting for reforms are tactics used to organize greater sections of the working class and build mass movements. for revolutionaries what matters is building the organization, power, and ability to fight of the working class so that it can liberate itself. achieving the things, whether it be a reform, a wage increase, whatever, is secondary to how it was achieved. was a wage won because a union leader made a deal with the boss without consulting the workers? thats not revolutionary because it is all about the personal power and relationships of the individual and not the democratic action and power of the workers. better to win a smaller wage through a strike than a large wage through the former, because the organization and political consciousness required to make a successful strike means the promise of future victories, whereas the union leader may change to someone else, or they may just capriciously decide to use their power in a different way in the future to harm the workers.

thats how elected officials work and how reforms work and thats the lens they should be viewed through as revolutionaries. are they working to build a mass movement and organize workers, or are they just trying to get themselves or someone else elected? even if they are running for noble reasons and are genuinely a "good" person, if theyre doing it for the latter then theyre not a socialist. that being said, if socialists interacting with their campaigns or supporters can help build that organization and raise consciousness, then it may still be useful to interact with them in some ways, though this has to be done carefully and on a principled basis.

Not that I'm telling anyone itt anything you don't already know, or have some magical insight you lack, but this right here is the absolute crux of how soc dem power is achieved in my opinion.

Traditionally (and I'm using the scandinavian countries as the example here) the way for the socialist left towards power outside of the military coup/dictatorship route has always been through unions, using labour unions as organization mechanisms, recruitment pools for politicians and representatives, sources of money for campaigning and grassroots movement initializers. This, coupled with the spooky specter of USSR communist revolution if the workers are ignored, for a time won the class war in the scandinavian countries. Literally, this is the mechanism from which strong labour laws, universal healthcare, democratic institutions and welfare came about. It's not cultural. It's not luck. It's not coincidence. It was sheer class warfare using unions to fight the bourgeois overlords.

Before the time of the labour movement industrial wage slave conditions were the thing all over scandinavia. Literally, hat in hand please mister noble factory owner sir, may I have a wage this week.

After, you have everything good and admirable about the utopian welfare state of the scandics. Nothing in between.

The lesson is that this - from the perspective of an outside observer - path is still the only likely path for achieving victory in the class war that up till now the american people are fighting and losing. Your problem is systemic, it's at the very bottom a systemic problem of capitalism but it's compounded by the undemocratic nature of your electorate system and the disenfranchisement that prevents true democratic power being wielded by the people, case in point being your president, congress, state legislatures etc. The only way to fix a systemic issue is by the application of power outside of your election system, and that's the thing unions can do for the 99%. A reformed union with sufficient membership and solidarity between unions could cripple the US through strikes forcing political reforms in a non-violent fashion. It's historically proven.

There's a reason the unions were crushed in the US. There's a reason the recent Janus-decision continues to crush and cripple unions. Take the lesson: the 1% and their handpuppets are loving terrified of unions. They aren't stupid, they can crack open a history book too.

Anyway, that's my story. Sincerely, an actual communist party voter. Also I'm really really loving proud that a socialist-oriented movement in the US of A is doing as well as DSA is doing. I would never have believed this just a few years ago.

# ? Jul 12, 2018 21:32

BENGHAZI 2: Oct 13, 2007; by Cyrano4747

Nice piece of fish posted:

Not that I'm telling anyone itt anything you don't already know, or have some magical insight you lack, but this right here is the absolute crux of how soc dem power is achieved in my opinion.

Traditionally (and I'm using the scandinavian countries as the example here) the way for the socialist left towards power outside of the military coup/dictatorship route has always been through unions, using labour unions as organization mechanisms, recruitment pools for politicians and representatives, sources of money for campaigning and grassroots movement initializers. This, coupled with the spooky specter of USSR communist revolution if the workers are ignored, for a time won the class war in the scandinavian countries. Literally, this is the mechanism from which strong labour laws, universal healthcare, democratic institutions and welfare came about. It's not cultural. It's not luck. It's not coincidence. It was sheer class warfare using unions to fight the bourgeois overlords.

Before the time of the labour movement industrial wage slave conditions were the thing all over scandinavia. Literally, hat in hand please mister noble factory owner sir, may I have a wage this week.

After, you have everything good and admirable about the utopian welfare state of the scandics. Nothing in between.

The lesson is that this - from the perspective of an outside observer - path is still the only likely path for achieving victory in the class war that up till now the american people are fighting and losing. Your problem is systemic, it's at the very bottom a systemic problem of capitalism but it's compounded by the undemocratic nature of your electorate system and the disenfranchisement that prevents true democratic power being wielded by the people, case in point being your president, congress, state legislatures etc. The only way to fix a systemic issue is by the application of power outside of your election system, and that's the thing unions can do for the 99%. A reformed union with sufficient membership and solidarity between unions could cripple the US through strikes forcing political reforms in a non-violent fashion. It's historically proven.

There's a reason the unions were crushed in the US. There's a reason the recent Janus-decision continues to crush and cripple unions. Take the lesson: the 1% and their handpuppets are loving terrified of unions. They aren't stupid, they can crack open a history book too.

Anyway, that's my story. Sincerely, an actual communist party voter. Also I'm really really loving proud that a socialist-oriented movement in the US of A is doing as well as DSA is doing. I would never have believed this just a few years ago.

What kind of frosty did you want

# ? Jul 12, 2018 21:36

Nice piece of fish: Jan 29, 2008; Ultra Carp

BENGHAZI 2 posted:

What kind of frosty did you want

Do you have one in a marxist flavour?

# ? Jul 12, 2018 21:37

Zikan: Feb 29, 2004

unbutthurtable posted:

69 AND bust

# ? Jul 12, 2018 22:36

jarofpiss: May 16, 2009

i always thought it was phil230

# ? Jul 12, 2018 22:39

WhiskeyJuvenile: Feb 15, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo

unbutthurtable posted:

69 AND bust

# ? Jul 12, 2018 22:43

cheese: Jan 7, 2004; Shop around for doctors! Always fucking shop for doctors. Doctors are stupid assholes. And they get by because people are cowed by their mystical bullshit quality of being able to maintain a 3.0 GPA at some Guatemalan medical college for 3 semesters. Find one that makes sense.

unbutthurtable posted:

69 AND bust

# ? Jul 12, 2018 23:09

jarofpiss: May 16, 2009

everyone going to the houston meeting?

# ? Jul 12, 2018 23:13

Internet Explorer: Jun 1, 2005

No, because I live kinda far from Houston.

# ? Jul 12, 2018 23:16

Larry Parrish: Jul 9, 2012; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Nice piece of fish posted:

Not that I'm telling anyone itt anything you don't already know, or have some magical insight you lack, but this right here is the absolute crux of how soc dem power is achieved in my opinion.

Traditionally (and I'm using the scandinavian countries as the example here) the way for the socialist left towards power outside of the military coup/dictatorship route has always been through unions, using labour unions as organization mechanisms, recruitment pools for politicians and representatives, sources of money for campaigning and grassroots movement initializers. This, coupled with the spooky specter of USSR communist revolution if the workers are ignored, for a time won the class war in the scandinavian countries. Literally, this is the mechanism from which strong labour laws, universal healthcare, democratic institutions and welfare came about. It's not cultural. It's not luck. It's not coincidence. It was sheer class warfare using unions to fight the bourgeois overlords.

Before the time of the labour movement industrial wage slave conditions were the thing all over scandinavia. Literally, hat in hand please mister noble factory owner sir, may I have a wage this week.

After, you have everything good and admirable about the utopian welfare state of the scandics. Nothing in between.

The lesson is that this - from the perspective of an outside observer - path is still the only likely path for achieving victory in the class war that up till now the american people are fighting and losing. Your problem is systemic, it's at the very bottom a systemic problem of capitalism but it's compounded by the undemocratic nature of your electorate system and the disenfranchisement that prevents true democratic power being wielded by the people, case in point being your president, congress, state legislatures etc. The only way to fix a systemic issue is by the application of power outside of your election system, and that's the thing unions can do for the 99%. A reformed union with sufficient membership and solidarity between unions could cripple the US through strikes forcing political reforms in a non-violent fashion. It's historically proven.

There's a reason the unions were crushed in the US. There's a reason the recent Janus-decision continues to crush and cripple unions. Take the lesson: the 1% and their handpuppets are loving terrified of unions. They aren't stupid, they can crack open a history book too.

Anyway, that's my story. Sincerely, an actual communist party voter. Also I'm really really loving proud that a socialist-oriented movement in the US of A is doing as well as DSA is doing. I would never have believed this just a few years ago.

This is why I'll never join the dsa forum

# ? Jul 12, 2018 23:19

Karl Barks: Jan 21, 1981

Larry Parrish posted:

This is why I'll never join the dsa forum

you're posting in it dude

# ? Jul 12, 2018 23:29

jarofpiss: May 16, 2009

Internet Explorer posted:

No, because I live kinda far from Houston.

wtf dude

# ? Jul 12, 2018 23:31

Vhak lord of hate: Jun 6, 2008; I AM DRINK THE BLOOD OF JESUS

That post is far too interesting for the DSA forum. Take that as you will.

# ? Jul 12, 2018 23:50

Ace of Baes: Jul 7, 1977

https://twitter.com/Shialabeefsteak/status/1017318854593134594?s=19

# ? Jul 13, 2018 01:10

Rated PG-34: Jul 1, 2004

Cynthia hasn�t yet thrown away her iPhone and offered up her toothbrush for communal use

# ? Jul 13, 2018 01:19

apropos to nothing: Sep 5, 2003

Ace of Baes posted:

https://twitter.com/Shialabeefsteak/status/1017318854593134594?s=19

lol yeah have seen plenty of this. that being said, theres real differences between occasio-cortez and nixons campaign. ocassio-cortez has the support of working class organizations and has real roots in working class organizing while nixons campaign seems to be mainly funded and run by undemocratic political non-profit groups that are opposed to cuomo. theres also a real class element present since nixon is worth 10s of millions of dollars and hasnt been involved in any kind of working class organizing or action prior to running

# ? Jul 13, 2018 01:32

IM DAY DAY IRL: Jul 11, 2003; Everything's fine.

Nothing to see here.

glad we're sticking it to the people who really deserve it

no, not opportunistic celebrity politicians looking to catch the wave. stereotypically dumb DSA strawmen. it's about time someone took those fuckers down a peg

# ? Jul 13, 2018 01:34

Rated PG-34: Jul 1, 2004

indeed Cynthia doesn�t even know what capitalism is let alone socialism but that doesn�t matter bc we should fall in line or face more cuomo and kids are dying in concentration camps now

# ? Jul 13, 2018 01:46

Shear Modulus: Jun 9, 2010

are the ny dsa folks going to endorse teachout

# ? Jul 13, 2018 01:54

Pentecoastal Elites: Feb 27, 2007

if i lived in new york id vote for one of your football sized rats before i voted for cuomo

# ? Jul 13, 2018 01:58

Ace of Baes: Jul 7, 1977

Rated PG-34 posted:

indeed Cynthia doesn�t even know what capitalism is let alone socialism but that doesn�t matter bc we should fall in line or face more cuomo and kids are dying in concentration camps now

yeah I'm sure Cynthia nixon has no idea what socialism is, they dont teach that in dumb women college, besides she's only been advocated and doing activism for public education, women's rights and lgbtq rights for years, none of the real organizing

# ? Jul 13, 2018 01:59

rudecyrus: Nov 6, 2009; fuck you trolls

Here's an idea: vote for Cynthia Nixon, and if she turns out to be lovely, she gets primaried in the next election? Maybe?

# ? Jul 13, 2018 02:03

Phi230: Feb 2, 2016; by Fluffdaddy

Officials should be subject to recall at any time and we should go for that policy

# ? Jul 13, 2018 02:04

WhiskeyJuvenile: Feb 15, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo

We should be a one party communist country imho

# ? Jul 13, 2018 02:07

Taintrunner: Apr 10, 2017; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

unseating cuomo is a worthy goal and it will make shitlibs mad, especially schmuck schumer and bing bong blahzio

# ? Jul 13, 2018 02:08

Rated PG-34: Jul 1, 2004

Ace of Baes posted:

yeah I'm sure Cynthia nixon has no idea what socialism is, they dont teach that in dumb women college, besides she's only been advocated and doing activism for public education, women's rights and lgbtq rights for years, none of the real organizing

well if she knew it that well, she didn�t articulate it in the speech she gave the DS of A

# ? Jul 13, 2018 02:13

DAD LOST MY IPOD: Feb 3, 2012; Fats Dominar is on the case

my hot take is that it�s rad that leftists now feel like they need the DSA endorsement and seal of approval, and we shouldn�t let it go to our heads and be swept away by every candidate who claims to be a true leftist. it owns that Nixon wants the endorsement and beating cuomo would be an unmitigated good, and so we should support Nixon against him, but whether that means the DSA should formally endorse is up to the local chapter and will depend entirely on what kinds of commitments Nixon is willing to make to them and what displays of good faith she can provide. and if they don�t endorse that�s ok too and each individual DSA member should determine what is the best use of their limited energy and time, and I hope that for some of them that�s helping Nixon, because gently caress cuomo

# ? Jul 13, 2018 02:15

Phi230: Feb 2, 2016; by Fluffdaddy

Did the vote happen or what

# ? Jul 13, 2018 02:18

Ace of Baes: Jul 7, 1977

Nixon is further to the left of Cuomo than Bernie was to Hillary

# ? Jul 13, 2018 02:25

Ace of Baes: Jul 7, 1977

Phi230 posted:

Did the vote happen or what

not yet

# ? Jul 13, 2018 02:25

Taintrunner: Apr 10, 2017; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

I got an email to vote on endorsing Nixon lol I think it�s happening

# ? Jul 13, 2018 02:33

achillesforever6: Apr 23, 2012; psst you wanna do a communism?

https://twitter.com/rafkhach/status/1017579386265055232
Good thread from a comrade from PGH about endorsing.

# ? Jul 13, 2018 02:41

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Greatbacon: Apr 9, 2012; by Pragmatica

Not to get too off topic of DSA's NY politics, but does anyone happen to know if there are any of those DSA intro handout zines targeted towards labor/unions? The ones I'm thinking of can be printed on one page and they fold up into a nice little booklet to hand out. The one's I know of have titles like "What's Wrong with Capitalism", "What is socalist feminism?", and "What is queer liberation?"

Or if not, any good ideas/materials for something to handout at a labor oriented tabling event?

# ? Jul 13, 2018 04:21

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