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Having Gwenpool and her very specific powers on a team with other heroes is a dumb idea. But Kelly Thompson is a good writer so maybe she'll just sidestep those powers.
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X-O posted:Mod agrees. For sure.
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May 17, 2018 19:29
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X-O posted:Having Gwenpool and her very specific powers on a team with other heroes is a dumb idea. But Kelly Thompson is a good writer so maybe she'll just sidestep those powers. Even just a "oh no! I'm not the main character of this book - my powers don't work!" might do the trick
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May 17, 2018 19:34
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Same with all the Gwenpool hate except with Quentin Quire. Worst mutant ever.
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May 17, 2018 19:37
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I look forward to it being canceled after 6 issues, with people then saying it was to good for this world.
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May 17, 2018 19:42
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enigmahfc posted:I look forward to it being canceled after 6 issues, with people then saying it was to good for this world. They don't do stealth miniseries as much anymore. They usually explicitly make it a 1 of X series or they give it till about 11 or so then cancel it. Even America lasted that long.
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May 17, 2018 19:43
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This series is extreme lucky that I love Thompson's writing and Gwen just barely more than I hate Quentin.
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May 17, 2018 19:52
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Y'all must have never read Wolverine and the X-Men.
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May 17, 2018 19:52
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Roth posted:Same with all the Gwenpool hate except with Quentin Quire. MOTHERFUCKER
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May 17, 2018 19:59
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Quentin Quire Was Right
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May 17, 2018 20:02
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Evey time I've read an issue with Quentin he's just a self entitled unlikable piece of poo poo
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site posted:Evey time I've read an issue with Quentin he's just a self entitled unlikable piece of poo poo No wonder comic book fans like him so much.
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May 17, 2018 20:06
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Roth posted:No wonder comic book fans like him so much. MOTHERFUCKER no wait, that's accurate.
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May 17, 2018 20:10
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ACAB: All Comics Are Bad And Nick Kocher is a writer for SNL and I had no idea he wrote some Marvel comics that I never read. Because ACAB. He also wrote her in a Secret Empire one-shot apparently.
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May 17, 2018 20:12
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I find it really hard to get over Quentin's introduction in New X-Men where he's a murderous skinhead. Like, that's a hard nadir to bounce back from. That said I love a lot of these characters (especially Gwen), and I kinda loved the original West Coast Avengers if only for nostalgia reasons, so I'm excited to see what Thompson does with this. I'm wondering how much/if the connection to the original team will be a thing at all, given Clint is the only continuity member.
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May 17, 2018 20:17
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Yeah but then the entire Wolverine and the X-Men series happened.
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May 17, 2018 20:24
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Android Blues posted:I find it really hard to get over Quentin's introduction in New X-Men where he's a murderous skinhead. Like, that's a hard nadir to bounce back from.
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May 17, 2018 20:25
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Teenage Fansub posted:Kate's bf from Thompson's Hawkeye. This is his first thing as a hero. Ah. When I first saw the art, I thought it might be a Rage redesign.
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May 17, 2018 20:29
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Yeah, but even with all that extenuation, he still lead a hate mob through the streets jumping and killing random civilians, at least one of whom he personally murdered. It's a big jump from that to him being a snarky rabble-rousing teen again. Plus, the trauma in question is just him learning that he was adopted. It's a deal, but it isn't a good justification for a drug-fuelled murder spree.
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May 17, 2018 20:32
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I never read the comic where he ran hate mob so all I know about him is what I read in Wolverine and the X-Men.
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May 17, 2018 20:35
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Covok posted:I never read the comic where he ran hate mob so all I know about him is what I read in Wolverine and the X-Men. A lot of Morrison's run is best treated as if it never happened, so you're ahead of the game.
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May 17, 2018 20:40
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To be extra fair I checked the issue in question just now, and it is ambiguous whether or not Quentin killed the guy he attacked. His gang killed other people under his leadership, though.
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May 17, 2018 20:55
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Cabbit posted:A lot of Morrison's run is best treated as if it never happened, so you're ahead of the game. Well, Marvel already treats his X-Men run as something that only partially happened at best. Morrison has this talent for consistently making interesting thematic points mixed with fun/weird adventures but either going off the deep end or outright derailing a couple of characters in the process.
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May 17, 2018 20:57
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After rereading the gwenpool issues after she gains her powers, bad guys can sidestep getting pushed out through magic and stuff, she can't permanently KO any big name characters, and they got pretty creative with the batroc heist team up, so as long as Kelly does it right I don't think she'll be too op for a team book Plus I mean, between modok team, Hawkeye and ghost rider, and blade she's spent more time on teams than not
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May 17, 2018 21:02
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The thing is that Quentin was invented for the arc where he starts a mutant skinhead gang. It's not derailment - it's his debut. Everything after that is character development and rehabilitation. There are obvious hooks left for later writers to bring Quentin back (the arc ends with him undergoing a secondary mutation and ascending into a higher plane of existence as his telepathy expands), it's just always struck me as a weird choice that the "back" they wanted to bring him was towards his status quo for about half an issue, one issue after his introduction, before he became a violent skinhead and then turned into a being of pure thought.
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May 17, 2018 21:04
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Actually, looking at that team, it's rather weak in terms of dealing with mystical threats so Gwen best get Sarah in too. Cover all bases and that.
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Hawkeyes have arrows for every occasion
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May 17, 2018 22:27
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Lump me in with the "can't stand Quire" group, but I love Gwen, Kate, Clint and America so this poo poo looks great. Plus Kelly Thompson rules.
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May 17, 2018 22:46
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Android Blues posted:The thing is that Quentin was invented for the arc where he starts a mutant skinhead gang. It's not derailment - it's his debut. Everything after that is character development and rehabilitation. Yes, you're right in that case. I think the statement still applies in more general terms though.
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May 17, 2018 22:51
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I don't mind that Quire continues to be brought back and reinvented after his whole Riot at Xavier's arc. I do mind that he continues to be brought back and reinvented as an irritating shithead and that everyone just lets him get away with it in spite of the increasing amount of irritating shithead-y things he keeps doing. I mean, sometimes it does work; there's been some fun stuff with Quentin, no lie. Other times though, it's "whose dick at Marvel keeps getting licked for this mofo to keep popping up in as many books as he does?"
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May 17, 2018 22:56
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https://twitter.com/JoeQuesada/status/997243902787809280
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I guess we're ignoring the broken legacy covers and sending Hydra t-shirts to comic shops to promote nazicap
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I liked Quentin Quire a lot as a Grant Morrison villain, and I think revisiting that storyline in 2018 might show it to be more prescient than anybody realized, with its angry white young antagonist parlaying personal trauma into a violent political agenda based on refashioning the thoroughly aestheticized and tired iconography of the 1940s into a travesty of the new and radical. He's a good midpoint stop on the thematic arc Morrison was building up throughout. I guess I differ from most of this thread in that I only really started to grind my teeth about him when he came back from the dead as just a snide little guy with a heart of gold. Yeah Morrison's ending for him gestured broadly at messianic redemption, but that's because all the stuff he wrote in that era was about messianic redemption, and Quire 2.0 mostly just runs around being rude and unfunny. To put it this way, Quire 1.0 worked as a villain because he spoke to a real fear then and now-- of an alienated student, just smart enough to be angry and hopeless, capable not only of startling violence, but of rallying others to startling violence, and the even deeper fear that the ideology you've tried to pass on to the next generation is a dead end. I don't know what Quire 2.0 is supposed to do-- just be a pill? Make cheap shots at millenials? I don't know.
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BrianWilly posted:I don't mind that Quire continues to be brought back and reinvented after his whole Riot at Xavier's arc. I do mind that he continues to be brought back and reinvented as an irritating shithead and that everyone just lets him get away with it in spite of the increasing amount of irritating shithead-y things he keeps doing. I mean, sometimes it does work; there's been some fun stuff with Quentin, no lie. Other times though, it's "whose dick at Marvel keeps getting licked for this mofo to keep popping up in as many books as he does?" 
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May 18, 2018 00:42
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Codependent Poster posted:Lump me in with the "can't stand Quire" group, but I love Gwen, Kate, Clint and America so this poo poo looks great.  This looks great.
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Edge & Christian posted:Quentin's Custom Van Jesus P.T Barnum it's been probably a decade since I even thought about Achewood existing outside of the Great Outdoor Fight.
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I never saw Quire as having a heart of gold at all, he's an utter poo poo who is, approximately as smart as he thinks he is, but not nearly as capable or clever. Nor is he a complete sociopath, he's arrogant and awful but he's also capable of great acts of empathy and humanity, sometimes despite himself. That's what makes him interesting to me, he's a hero but that doesn't make him pleasant or likable, but he still has that thread of decency at his core. My guess is that some of his awfulness is performative, or at least has become so, because that's the niche he refuses to move away from. In any event I'm really interested in seeing him outside the X-milieu and I have full confidence in Thompson's ability to write him.
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Quire was good in Morrison and Aaron’s work. If he’s been bad in other stuff it is probably like the last 15 years of complete X-Men garbage where everyone is written badly.
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I don’t like Quentin, but I’ll buy whatever he’s in because he’s really entertaining. He’s not a good person,and that’s what’s great.
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