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Phi230 posted:They do make the original trilogy worse if you use the prequel's context to inform the OT. You chose a remarkably terrible example. In A New Hope, Obiwan says that Luke's father was a good friend, and the audience might take Obiwan's reactions to mean that he's sad for his friend's death. However, in the greater context the audience might instead take his reaction to be an expression of regret--regret that the friendship had ended, or maybe that the friendship was always more one sided than Obiwan would have liked to believe. However, it's not (just) the prequels that provide that context, it's The Empire Strikes Back. If you want to argue that the prequels are bad movies because they provide different context to interpret the OT, surely you must also believe that The Empire Strikes Back is a bad movie because it provides different context to A New Hope?
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Schwarzwald posted:For my part, I'm upset that video is only fifteen seconds long. https://www.instagram.com/starwars.remastered/
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Sep 28, 2016 13:38
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euphronius posted:I think it is funny though that Lucas leaves one mystery completely unsolved in his film noir movie : who was Sifo Dyas? Totally ignored by obi wan and Yoda. The prequels were lazy about a ton of poo poo: - Who was Sifo Dyas? How did he die? Was he Sith or Jedi? - The separatists have heroes? Like, good guys? Who? - What is that glowy ball thing at the end of Phantom Menace that's a thing all of a sudden? - The cloners created the clone troops from Jango Fett; where the hell did all the tanks/ships/etc. come from? The republic clearly wasn't planning on rolling out a giant fleet, and the cloners only trained and outfitted the clones. - So who broke into the Jedi archives and deleted the history of an entire system? - What was the end game of the separatists, exactly? The trade federation, too. Their ultimate objective is to win/force a treaty signing, but that does... what?
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Sep 28, 2016 14:02
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Are you for real man. That's not "lazy" filmmaking.
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Sep 28, 2016 14:04
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Red posted:The prequels were lazy about a ton of poo poo: Palpatine's behind it all
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Sep 28, 2016 14:09
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Red posted:The prequels were lazy about a ton of poo poo: - He was a Jedi Master. From the way they talk about him I reckon he was killed? - General Grievous, Count Dooku etc. Heroes in their eyes. - A Gungan symbol of peace and cooperation to the humans of Naboo. - Leftovers from the Republic's previous army, since technology in Star Wars doesn't seem to advance in some areas. Or they bought them from military contractors. - Dooku, I imagine. - To achieve independence. But due to manipulations of both sides by Palpatine, rather than a peaceful secession they opted for a more violent path and the Republic responded in kind. Remember both sides are being played by the same guy who is angling to get himself more power by building up the Separatists as an existential threat when they really aren't (something that never happened in real life amirite).
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Sep 28, 2016 14:08
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Someone dealt with the glowy ball like 500 pages ago too.
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Sep 28, 2016 14:10
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjFCVTpsIps
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Sep 28, 2016 14:29
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CelticPredator posted:It was fun. The alien ran around and ate people including Roland from Jurassic Park. That was all 6 year old me cared about. Yeah. When I was 6 even the first JP wasn't out yet. I mostly found Alien 3 dull for a long time after seeing Aliens 20 times. I still don't really love it. But when I was 6 I was more interested in watching Mulan and the first Ninja Turtles. I still remember thinking the claymation truck driver face in Pee Wee's Big Adventure was scary at that age. Also the face melting at the end of Raiders and the heart-pulling in Doom. For some reason I associate Alien, Star Wars and Tremors because they were always on TBS Dinner and a Movie every weekend when I was ~10.
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Sep 28, 2016 14:43
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Schwarzwald posted:You chose a remarkably terrible example. In A New Hope, Obiwan says that Luke's father was a good friend, and the audience might take Obiwan's reactions to mean that he's sad for his friend's death. However, in the greater context the audience might instead take his reaction to be an expression of regret--regret that the friendship had ended, or maybe that the friendship was always more one sided than Obiwan would have liked to believe. The context is bad because they DIRECTLY CONTRADICT the OT. Im saying 2+2=4 Youre saying 2=4+2.
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Sep 28, 2016 14:54
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Phi230 posted:The context is bad because they DIRECTLY CONTRADICT the OT. No, they contradict your headcanon about the OT, but not it itself.
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Sep 28, 2016 14:55
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Phi230 posted:The context is bad because they DIRECTLY CONTRADICT the OT. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN74bOubUug
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Sep 28, 2016 14:55
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euphronius posted:Someone dealt with the glowy ball like 500 pages ago too. Any source of info that is not the movies is wrong and irrelevant. Books, comics, games GTFO
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Sep 28, 2016 14:56
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euphronius posted:Are you for real man. That's not "lazy" filmmaking. Dropping vague pieces of the storyline, forcing the viewer to guess and connect dots, is lazy as poo poo. I'd probably be more accepting of the prequels if the crawl read: EPISODE I: THE PHANTOM MENACE (FIRST DRAFT) TURMOIL HAS ENGULFED THE GALACTIC(Is this redundant? - George) REPUBLIC. THE TAXATION OF TRADE ROUTES TO DISPUTE. HOPING TO RESOLVE THE MATTER WITH A BLOCKADE OF [DEADLY? THREATENING? - George] BATTLESHIPS, THE GREEDY TRADE FEDERATION HAS WHILE THE ENDLESSLY DEBATES THIS ALARMING CHAINS OF EVENTS, THE SUPREME TWO JEDI KNIGHTS, THE GUARDIANS OF PEACE AND JUSTICE IN THE GALAXY, TO
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Phi230 posted:The context is bad because they DIRECTLY CONTRADICT the OT. You do remember that obiwan says Anakin was killed by Darth Vader, an apprentice of his? Hell the entire climactic battle of Return of the Jedi is Luke winning because the reality he understands contradicts what the Jedi say is true.
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Sep 28, 2016 14:57
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computer parts posted:No, they contradict your headcanon about the OT, but not it itself. Except they do contradict the OT.. OT says x Preq says y X =!= Y
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Sep 28, 2016 14:57
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Obi-Wan deceives Luke about Vader's identity and has even deceived himself about his relationship to Anakin.
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Sep 28, 2016 14:58
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Phi230 posted:Any source of info that is not the movies is wrong and irrelevant. No it was a reference to another classic movie the name of which I have forgot.
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Sep 28, 2016 14:59
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If anything ROTJ contradicts the rest of the OT more than the PT ever does. "Oh yes, there's another Skywalker....and she's your sister! And the only woman with more than 5 minutes screen time in this series."
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Sep 28, 2016 14:59
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Barudak posted:You do remember that obiwan says Anakin was killed by Darth Vader, an apprentice of his? Hell the entire climactic battle of Return of the Jedi is Luke winning because the reality he understands contradicts what the Jedi say is true. Except the prequels are showing us something different from what we understand in the OT. Like obi and anakin being friends. Nothing we are shown in the preq warrants obi's statments in ANH
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Sep 28, 2016 14:59
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Phi230 posted:Except the prequels are showing us something different from what we understand in the OT. Except the parts where they are friends.
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Sep 28, 2016 15:00
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computer parts posted:If anything ROTJ contradicts the rest of the OT more than the PT ever does. We are never shown or told that Leia is not his sister
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euphronius posted:Except the parts where they are friends. They loving hate eachother and obiwan views anakin with like smug contempt are you kidding
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Sep 28, 2016 15:01
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Phi230 posted:They loving hate eachother and obiwan views anakin with like smug contempt are you kidding Hmm I'm beginning to doubt your ability to recognize human activities accurately.
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Sep 28, 2016 15:02
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Phi230 posted:We are never shown or told that Leia is not his sister I guess Han's his brother too.
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Sep 28, 2016 15:03
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Red posted:- The separatists have heroes? Like, good guys? Who? I think Episode III is trying to say that good and evil is a matter of perspective. This is a reoccuring theme throughout Star Wars, especially in the original trilogy where Obi-Wan see's Anakin and Darth Vader as two very different people, to the point where as far as he was concerned, he was not lying to Luke about Darth Vader killing Anakin. The force is so powerful that to go to the dark side means becoming a whole other person altogether.
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Sep 28, 2016 15:04
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euphronius posted:Hmm I'm beginning to doubt your ability to recognize human activities accurately. Anakin resents obiwan for being a poo poo teacher. He says in clone wars
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Phi230 posted:Except the prequels are showing us something different from what we understand in the OT. I'm not following here. If you take the OT alone then Obiwan is a purposefully deceptive liar training Luke to be an assassin to solve a doctrinal dispute within a defunct religious order so if as you claim the PT shows no evidence of friendship you can chalk that up to more manipulative lying on Obiwans part. If anything the PT lets Obiwan stay a good person as misguided friend who to the end can't understand what drove away Anakin and whose attempts to avoid past mistakes causes him to lie.
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Phi230 posted:They loving hate eachother and obiwan views anakin with like smug contempt are you kidding Just because they didn't compliment each other 24/7 doesn't mean they hate other. However, I will admit the Clone Wars show did a much better job showing their friendship.
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Sep 28, 2016 15:05
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Phi230 posted:Anakin resents obiwan for being a poo poo teacher. He says in clone wars My god you did watch the movies. This makes you posts even more troubling. Edit You said clone wars. Welp.
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computer parts posted:I guess Han's his brother too. Lol really. Go back to 5th grade with this low effort poo poo
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I said come in! posted:I think Episode III is trying to say that good and evil is a matter of perspective. This is a reoccuring theme throughout Star Wars, especially in the original trilogy where Obi-Wan see's Anakin and Darth Vader as two very different people, to the point where as far as he was concerned, he was not lying to Luke about Darth Vader killing Anakin. The force is so powerful that to go to the dark side means becoming a whole other person altogether. I'd agree with that, except that no one on the separatist side is shown to be anything other than clearly villainous.
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Equeen posted:Just because they didn't compliment each other 24/7 doesn't mean they hate other. However, I will admit the Clone Wars show did a much better job showing their friendship. The shows are irrelevant ffs
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Sep 28, 2016 15:06
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Anakin also says he resents obi wan in Attack of the clones. You should watch it sometime. It's great.
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Sep 28, 2016 15:07
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Red posted:I'd agree with that, except that no one on the separatist side is shown to be anything other than clearly villainous. ?? The neimodians are portrayed as neutral actors. Neither good nor villainous.
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Phi230 posted:They loving hate eachother and obiwan views anakin with like smug contempt are you kidding The prequels are very contradictory about this. Obi-Wan talks about how him and Anakin are brothers, but we really don't see this. We are expected to take Obi-Wans word at face value but there's plenty of reason to believe that maybe Obi-Wan was being delusional about their relationship.
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euphronius posted:It's great. Don't lie
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Red posted:I'd agree with that, except that no one on the separatist side is shown to be anything other than clearly villainous. George Lucas message of good and evil being one and the same is a jumbled mess for sure.
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euphronius posted:?? The neimodians are portrayed as neutral actors. Neither good nor villainous. Are you kidding. They slavishly follow an evil cloaked mastermind
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Phi230 posted:Lol really. Go back to 5th grade with this low effort poo poo Obi-Wan is his really older brother.
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