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Failboattootoot posted:I think splitting it up into Garlemald 6.0 and End of Days 7.0 woulda been cool. My expectation would have been to hook up with some resistance group or somesuch and then liberate your way across the continent. But I was also relatively pleased with how things went down in EW. Garlemald was my favorite section by far and it was kinda just downhill from there. Though still very good don't get me wrong. The main thing I'd concede is that I wish Garlemald got more time. Not because it didn't get enough time, but because the angle they landed on about the Garleans--learning that they genuinely have a historically-rooted societal distrust of others, and that there really isn't a lot of societal regret to what they did--was genuinely fascinating, and I just wanted to see more of it. You can tell that there was originally a whole expansion planned there, because I think if they planned from the get-go that Garlemald would be one zone, it would have a much simpler social dynamic, maybe a Eulmore-esque 'we're good people that didn't realize what we were doing to others' arc. Cleretic fucked around with this message at 09:20 on Jun 23, 2022 |
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readingatwork posted:Counterpoint: A Garlemald expansion would have been a great way to explore his character a bit in a political setting before he teams up with Fandaniel. Not really, unless they were going to radically change his character. We saw plenty in StB and ShB before Fandaniel shows up. His political style would have been pure tyranny backed by fear: You do what he wants, stay below his notice and don't gently caress up, or he kills you. That's it, that's his political character. Failboattootoot posted:My expectation would have been to hook up with some resistance group or somesuch and then liberate your way across the continent. Ehh. They already did that twice in StB and again in ShB for Bozja. Writing a fourth story using that framework is certainly possible, but I'm much happier they decided to do something else.
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Jun 23, 2022 09:44
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Onean posted:Ehh. They already did that twice in StB and again in ShB for Bozja. Writing a fourth story using that framework is certainly possible, but I'm much happier they decided to do something else. also the sorrows of werlyt storyline in ShB. though i suppose the resistance there were bit players on the periphery of gaius' arc
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Jun 23, 2022 11:29
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Oh, that's true. It's also definitely more of a background detail than driving focus, yeah.
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Nessus posted:Magical Donald Trump Please, he's Sin Eater Jesus and I'll hear no alternatives.
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Jun 23, 2022 14:30
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I'm sure we'll get more time and stories with the Garlean refugees and whatever... wherever... they're rebuilding. They may not get an immediate follow up but I don't think this game's writers will forget about them.
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Jun 23, 2022 15:25
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FuturePastNow posted:I'm sure we'll get more time and stories with the Garlean refugees and whatever... wherever... they're rebuilding. They may not get an immediate follow up but I don't think this game's writers will forget about them. The capstome quest says they'll be going to the moon.
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Jun 23, 2022 16:07
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ImpAtom posted:The capstome quest says they'll be going to the moon. Yeah, that's right. That does mesh with my guess that the deep dungeon will be on the moon...
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Jun 23, 2022 16:15
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FuturePastNow posted:Yeah, that's right. That does mesh with my guess that the deep dungeon will be on the moon... ... poo poo that would make so much sense.
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readingatwork posted:It probably wouldn't be a direct confrontation like that because then you wouldn't be able to explore the various locations within Garlemald. Instead it would probably be a diplomatic mission of some kind where the empire invites you in as an emissary to negotiate a truce but then navigates in the shadows to kill you via game of thrones poo poo. That is more or less what you got in endwalker. Anyway, given that Varis tells you directly that his intention is to cause ALL the calamities, there isn’t really much point in negotiation until he goes, and when he did go, Garlemald immediately fell apart as designed. ImpAtom posted:The capstome quest says they'll be going to the moon. Some stayed in Garlemald, some went to the Moon and some went to Sharlyan, if you look around Sharlyan you can find some Garleans commenting that it isn’t as bad as they thought, but it could use some Magitek.
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FuturePastNow posted:Yeah, that's right. That does mesh with my guess that the deep dungeon will be on the moon...
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Jun 23, 2022 16:33
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ImpAtom posted:... poo poo that would make so much sense. You've got the bottomless pit full of angry purple hell aether where Zodiark used to be, and the buns have their Smileton machine digging deeper and deeper. Mutated moon wildlife. The souls of some Ancients who just can't let go and move on. It's got everything a housing district for refugees needs!
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Jun 23, 2022 16:34
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iPodschun posted:I'm now leaning toward the deep dungeon being in one of the places Emet mentioned though. I was thinking the moon originally but I like this better.
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Jun 23, 2022 16:37
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I was thinking either the Criterion dungeons, whatever those turn out to be, or the new deep dungeon could take place the Thirteenth/Void.
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Jun 23, 2022 16:45
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Gimme the DD on the moon but only if some of the mobs are giant Fandaniel ghosts.
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It would have been cool to see the electric life of Garlemald. They had cars, radios, streetlights while the rest of the continent is in the middle ages. No complaints about the story we got, but it would have been so different.
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FuturePastNow posted:You've got the bottomless pit full of angry purple hell aether where Zodiark used to be, and the buns have their Smileton machine digging deeper and deeper. Mutated moon wildlife. The souls of some Ancients who just can't let go and move on. It's got everything a housing district for refugees needs! It'd be pretty hilarious if that is indeed the justification for going down there- we're clearing the place of dangerous Moon Hazards, room by room, so that the residential expansions can proceed one procgen floor at a time.
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imo Garlemald is funnier to imagine with automobiles and magna roader than it is to actually have to depict that
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Alxprit posted:Please, he's Sin Eater Jesus and I'll hear no alternatives. Created as a savior by the beliefs/sacrifices of his family and city, tempered subjects by infusing them with light aether, they were taught how to do it by an Ascian, I'm still of the opinion that his relation to a Primal was more than just parallel themes.
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I'd mostly agree, except that the people in Eulmore weren't actually tempered. They wouldn't have just snapped out of it if they were, we'd have had to kill (or sequester) them as de-tempering hadn't been figured out yet.
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Onean posted:I'd mostly agree, except that the people in Eulmore weren't actually tempered. They wouldn't have just snapped out of it if they were, we'd have had to kill (or sequester) them as de-tempering hadn't been figured out yet. It's directly related to his ability to control Sin Eaters, hence Meol being Sin Eaters. They're eating Sin Eater flesh and that lets Vauthry control them because they're "part" Sin-Eater. But his control has a limited range, so once he flies away to Gulg he no longer exerts his will on the populace.
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Yes. That's still not tempering, though.
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One of the background NPCs in Radz-at-Han (Shirazade, at 10.0,14.2) talks about how an important family in the city is planning to open up their treasure vault to "challengers" soon, while standing in front of a rather visually-impressive door. That's 100% gotta be either the deep dungeon or the Criterion dungeons.
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Jun 23, 2022 19:07
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Ohhhh, yeah. That makes sense.
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those are the treasure map dungeons, the canals. we've been going there for years and the gag is that we are finally seeing where it is in the world
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Could be. I had initially interpreted that as a reference to the treasure map dungeons. Same door, for one thing. E: yeah, those challengers are gonna be real disappointed at the remaining pickings lol
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They're probably going to add the 90 spin-the-wheel treasure dungeon at some point
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Farg posted:those are the treasure map dungeons, the canals. we've been going there for years and the gag is that we are finally seeing where it is in the world Zomborgon posted:Could be. I had initially interpreted that as a reference to the treasure map dungeons. Same door, for one thing. Ohh, gotcha. I've only done like one treasure map dungeon so the reference flew right over my head.  In that case I'll throw in another vote for the deep dungeon probably being on the moon. Urianger takes a bunch of notes on dungeon design for the Loporrits if you go through Alzadaal's Legacy with him in your trust party, IIRC, and Smileton shows that the moon is an easy fit for the two main deep dungeon criterion i.e. being a place that is 1) a shifting labyrinth and 2) goes really, really deep.
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You could just throw a Deep Dungeon into the hole Zodiark was in.
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Farg posted:those are the treasure map dungeons, the canals. we've been going there for years and the gag is that we are finally seeing where it is in the world and current treasure maps are taking place on the moon
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Dwesa posted:afaik, treasure map canals are canals filled with some thief's loot, not some noble family's vaults incorrect. fool.
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nobles are thieves anyways.
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:You could just throw a Deep Dungeon into the hole Zodiark was in. Yeah, that could be plausible. "Hydaelyn filled this hole with vicious moon critters to help keep Zodiark weakened. Basically extra insurance on top of the seals."
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Cleretic posted:The main thing I'd concede is that I wish Garlemald got more time. Not because it didn't get enough time, but because the angle they landed on about the Garleans--learning that they genuinely have a historically-rooted societal distrust of others, and that there really isn't a lot of societal regret to what they did--was genuinely fascinating, and I just wanted to see more of it. That's the neat thing, there's good odds we are, because you can bet your rear end not every Garlean military unit has come in from the cold. Particularly the Fourth. (  Just imagine a Soken remix of the Red Wings theme. )
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Gearhead posted:That's the neat thing, there's good odds we are, because you can bet your rear end not every Garlean military unit has come in from the cold. Particularly the Fourth. The Fourth Imperial Legion isn’t going to. It collapsed after the death of it’s leader and the bulk of it’s soldiers ended up as Dalmasca citizens.
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mikemil828 posted:The Fourth Imperial Legion isn’t going to. It collapsed after the death of it’s leader and the bulk of it’s soldiers ended up as Dalmasca citizens. They might not call themselves the Fourth Legion. In fact, we might be seeing a lot of little mechanized armies that don't call themselves the Whateverth Legion. But there's going to be a lot of jostling in Ilsabard as borders get settled and who's in charge straightens out.
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I uh... yeah, I'd love an expansion or patch exploring a Garlean Restoration, but my bigger comment was literally the world map of the game. The entire continent of Ilsabard is just "here there be
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Much as 6.1 was about the Void, I really do hope we go into Ilsabard and northern / western Othard, the New World, or Meracydia in the next expansion, rather than going to a Reflection straight away.
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As long as we bridge the gap to the First so we can get Ryne (and Gaia, if she likes) along for the journey, I don't care where we go.
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Warmachine posted:I uh... yeah, I'd love an expansion or patch exploring a Garlean Restoration, but my bigger comment was literally the world map of the game. It’s presumedly more because the developers haven’t fully mapped out ilsabard and until now haven’t really had to. It’s a pretty safe bet that they have figured out a broad world map by now and we’ll likely see more detail within the next expansion or so.
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