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Mordja posted:Yeah, plotwise it's pretty much a 1:1 adaptation, just elevated by its...everything. Fightwise though, it's far and above what's in the manga. To be honest I kind of think they went too far. The manga has a more subdued tone which I think adds to the atmosphere, so making everything bigger and better almost makes it into an entirely different work.
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Clarste posted:To be honest I kind of think they went too far. The manga has a more subdued tone which I think adds to the atmosphere, so making everything bigger and better almost makes it into an entirely different work. I think that’s the perfect way for an adaptation. Don’t change what shouldn’t be changed, respect the source material but take advantage of the medium. That way both have their strengths and are individually strong, and one doesn’t replace the other.
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I'd agree with that. The spare fight sequences work better on the page. If they tried to match that in animation, I think the lack of spectacle would start to wear on people. It also helps to accentuate the contrast between the subdued character acting and buck-wild action sequences, which really makes the rare moments of clear emotion hit that much harder. Like, Frieren's proud mage-mom moment when Fern nukes her clone works so much better in the anime, at least for me, because we've just seen how ludicrously powerful Frieren is in a fight. 
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I mentioned this a few pages back (https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=4042890&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=57#post538515597), but one place where I feel like the anime went above and beyond was much more elaborate backgrounds that showed off the world design well -- obviously having a full production staff helps a lot here... The King's Tomb, for example was a pretty generic looking dungeon in the manga... compared to the design work they did in the anime... 
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It also had one of the few story additions they made, when Frieren and friends found that mural.
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Interiors are possibly the weakest part of the manga's art, just too generic and characterless; made up of ruler-straight lines and spacious interiors, not really giving any sense of history or being lived-in. Even Richter's shop in the anime, spare as it is, is a step up in terms of atmosphere. Not a position statement about which version is "superior", mind, I agree fully with this: rio posted:I think that’s the perfect way for an adaptation. Don’t change what shouldn’t be changed, respect the source material but take advantage of the medium. That way both have their strengths and are individually strong, and one doesn’t replace the other.
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Also difference in staffing, time, budget, creative minds/hands on the material ...Mordja posted:It also had one of the few story additions they made, when Frieren and friends found that mural. ... which was a bit odd, TBH. They walk down a secret corridor, admire a pretty picture, then walk out again. Unless there's some payoff for that lore drop in the future, it didn't add much more than three minutes of running time.
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It was another moment to see frieren be happy for fern being happy. It's a cute moment.
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Yeah, that whole story is filled with sweet little vignettes of Frieren admiring a piece of history. Hardly hurts to have one more.
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I thought it was to show Sense that despite her appearance to that point, Frieren was capable of useful/first class mage things because prior to that it sort of looked like she was just bumbling around/having a good time in the dungeon to the examiner I liked it
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Centzon Totochtin posted:I thought it was to show Sense that despite her appearance to that point, Frieren was capable of useful/first class mage things because prior to that it sort of looked like she was just bumbling around/having a good time in the dungeon to the examiner Sense was there when Frieren shattered the barrier.
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Hunt11 posted:Sense was there when Frieren shattered the barrier. Yeah in the previous exam stage where she wasn't the proctor
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It's a nice character moment that underlines Frieren's perspective on dungeons: she's utterly jaded by the lore and history, she perceives a dungeon as a series of puzzle setpieces to be metagamed for loot, but then she finds a reason to be interested because Fern is interested. It's a neat miniaturization of her larger arc. (It also worldbuilds a little that dungeons in Frieren run on video game rules, but that is a tacit theme anyway) More pragmatically, ep24 is high-energy mage battles back-to-back; you can practically hear the adaptation writer's room discussion on how to pace it out. The Denken workshop session gets padded a lot too.
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Mirage posted:Also difference in staffing, time, budget, creative minds/hands on the material ... As a manga reader and fan of the worldbuilding, it was a pretty big deal.
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So, Kotobukiya is releasing this figure around October. Should I preorder it? https://www.sideshow.com/collectibles/frieren-beyond-journeys-end-frieren-kotobukiya-913146 Honestly, I'm kind of surprised it is still available for preorder at some shops. But you know this is going to be one of those things that jumps 50% the minute it hits the secondary market. >_> Edit: Also, I found this.  https://www.bigbadtoystore.com/Product/VariationDetails/275653?o=4 AlternateNu fucked around with this message at 14:41 on May 9, 2024 |
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AlternateNu posted:So, Kotobukiya is releasing this figure around October. Should I preorder it? Get two, paint one brown and sell it somewhere as a very exclusive Copy Frieren. 
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TwoPair posted:Get two, paint one brown and sell it somewhere as a very exclusive Copy Frieren. I like this plan! This is a good plan! Let's go with this plan!
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TwoPair posted:Get two, paint one brown and sell it somewhere as a very exclusive Copy Frieren. As cute as that would be, I feel that would only work if the figure was in her Frieren, the Slayer pose or casting that sunburst spell during the mirror match. Not the Flowers-for-Young-Himmel stance. 
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I support Copy Frieren getting eaten by a mimic. It's how it should have happened.
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Frieren and Fern stalling for time for the rest of the exam group to find and deliver a mimic to defeat Copy Frieren would have been a top tier gag.
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I put the two Frieren figures on pre-order.    
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https://twitter.com/syaparinton/status/1790305543397200084?t=Sn_DbKyRHEX1ad918lWXlw&s=19 Starko Rosso
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Does that make Frieren Fio? Yeah, that scans.
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It's cowardice to make that and not draw Stark as a pig.
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Would Eisen be Mr. Piccolo? Curtis would have to be Heiter. I thought maybe Sein at first but he likes older women.
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https://twitter.com/mall0rie/status/1791325700890243227?t=GlH8z5Fu9Axc8350G97HwA&s=19 Oh my.
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so i just discovered this show and i am only like 2 episodes in and i genuinly love it. Frieren is great and weirdly enough her tone and humor remind me of geralt from the witcher games, she spends 50 years puttering around in her own studies and little quests and poo poo. i also really like how part of the theme of the show can be summed up as https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlhOUyy4wbs this. I also like how Himmel kinda lost the lottery with aging, heiter just looks the same but older and himmel just shrinks into a little old bald man. Edit 3 episodes in. Show great. Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 05:04 on Jun 2, 2024 |
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It really was one of the best shows I’ve seen in years, anime or not.
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I said early on that I think Frieren may well be the greatest anime *adaptation* ever, which isn't to say it's necessarily the best show or anything, I'm just talking about the merit of its page-to-screen conversion.
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it dethroned fmab on myanimelist rankings which really says something
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rio posted:It really was one of the best shows I’ve seen in years, anime or not. Definitely one of the best shows i have seen in a while. As I talked about in another thread I’m kinda starting out with anime since my gf recommended beastarts(which I liked a bunch) then I found spice and wolf, which I like a lot too. But this shows good. It’s nice and cozy and the dry humor very very up my alley. I’ll probably watch more episodes later today. I just also love the concept. I kinda like the shows views in elves, who I never really cared for even in Tolkien, because they always play them up as these perfect snobbish beings of light to a degree or massive self absorbed pricks. I love how this explores that trope. Because frieren very much is that trope to a degree but more in a kinda socially stupid way. She overly blunt, kinda insensitive and etc. idk it’s great.
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Elves are tricky especially if they're taking inspiration from Tolkien, or more specifically the Jackson interpretation of Tolkien Elves. They're easy to get wrong or boring, and oftentimes their longevity and how that affects their worldview is overlooked. Tolkien Elves in the books are a lot more dynamic than the otherworldly wispy dudes they are in the movies. I quite enjoy the way Frieren handles her long lifespan as a result. Learning to experience life in the moment and cherish people rather than taking the permanent long view and disregarding relationships out of hand. I also think she's got a lot in common with Geralt, though she's perhaps not as much of a grump as he is. They're both huge nerds at heart beneath their exteriors, both ethereal mage and vagabond pest exterminator. They'd get along well.
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Arc Hammer posted:Elves are tricky especially if they're taking inspiration from Tolkien, or more specifically the Jackson interpretation of Tolkien Elves. They're easy to get wrong or boring, and oftentimes their longevity and how that affects their worldview is overlooked. Tolkien Elves in the books are a lot more dynamic than the otherworldly wispy dudes they are in the movies. Yeah that’s partly why she clicked with me, she is lady and slightly less horny version of geralt and I love her for it. I don’t think geralt that much of a grump, just more tired and closed off because he is used to getting hosed over a lot but he hasn’t completely broken like other witchers have. Yeah, I’d love to see a weird little cross over with geralt and her. Insert art of geralt watching her getting eaten by a mimic. “Heiter, heiter, what a drunk”
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Dapper_Swindler posted:“Heiter, heiter, what a drunk” Not bad.
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Arc Hammer posted:Not bad. “Your spell showed it’s 95% chance of being a Mimic, why are you trying to open it?” “Because there is a 5% chance that it isn’t and I can feel it hold a powerful tome” “Hhhh, it won’t, the last 5 chests were either mimics or poo poo like twine” “Listen geralt, I know this one is the one, so just allow me to open,,” “At least allow me to use axii on it, they we would know” “No geralt, I can handle…” *nomming sound as the mimic comes to life at muffled cursing and screams “drat it, not again, your worst then dandelion” *prepared to cast igni and takes a drink of dwarven spirit “loving elf mages, I am starting to think this is a thing for you” Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Jun 2, 2024 |
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Another elf show I thought was way better than I expected is Otaku Elf. Its pretty cute and goes over a lot of how being long lived messes with how you might approach relationships with those who are not. The op is also really good.
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Boogalo posted:The op is also really good. Whose performer has done the OP for "Go Go, Loser Ranger!" Anime has layers! Like onions!
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Boogalo posted:Another elf show I thought was way better than I expected is Otaku Elf. Its pretty cute and goes over a lot of how being long lived messes with how you might approach relationships with those who are not. I’ll have to try it. I seem to be hitting home runs so far with “mostly ageless magic woman with relationship issues and on a long meandering journey” anime 2 for 2. So might aswell expand.
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So has she just been wearing the same outfit for like 80 plus years? like i get she probably doesnt care about that poo poo and her fashion changes every couple centuries. but i like the idea she has to magicaly repair and clean it every couple months/or years. because holy poo poo, that outfit would get loving gross with the way she travels.
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Maybe that’s why Fern requested laundry magic as her prize for the mage exam
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