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SlimGoodbody
Oct 20, 2003


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Fill Baptismal
Dec 15, 2008

Aerox posted:

I just posted this in the LA thread too but this appears to be our response to all of this and it seems...good?

https://twitter.com/metrolosangeles/status/1296538762705620992

I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop but tentatively this seems pretty positive.

This kinda owns, and I hope it's succesful. Uber and lyft are bad companies built on regulatory arbitrage, but the taxi system they replaced also loving sucked, and a big part of why they were able to eat the Taxi companies alive so completely is that they did genuinely offer a far better user experience. This looks like it's hopefully combining the good aspects of that with public transit, I'm loving hype and I really really hope it does well.

Fill Baptismal fucked around with this message at 23:27 on Aug 20, 2020

Jaxyon
Mar 7, 2016
I’m just saying I would like to see a man beat a woman in a cage. Just to be sure.

Aerox posted:

I just posted this in the LA thread too but this appears to be our response to all of this and it seems...good?

https://twitter.com/metrolosangeles/status/1296538762705620992

I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop but tentatively this seems pretty positive.

Looks decent and that's new to me, but advertising that now makes it really easy for the capitalists to say "they just want to drive us out of business so they can start their own"

Enigma89
Jan 2, 2007

by CVG

luminalflux posted:

Abolish the medallion system and increase the number of taxis. Probably with some regulation that makes it so drivers can't dodge fares just because someone has the wrong skin color / gender / is going to the wrong neighborhood.

As an example: Taxis in Stockholm are very deregulated - no limit on how many there can be, and a very generous upper limit on pricing. It used to be that independent taxis would charge hilarious amounts for short trips and scam cruise ship tourists, but this was OK since the placard with comparison prices did indeed point this out. They've since added a price ceiling. All taxis have apps, all taxis are clean and the drivers are pretty good.

When Uber opened in Stockholm, my perception was that nobody really took it because it didn't really fill a niche - it was priced similarly to taxis and the taxis all had apps by then too so it didn't differentiate on that. What I didn't reflect on, as a cis white male, is that my friends with mideast background would prefer Ubers since they would regularly get ignored as fares, esp in peak traffic (think, coming home from bars).

Uber was a god send for me in NYC because not being 100% white and trying to get a taxi from Manhattan to a rougher part in Brooklyn was extremely hard especially at night.

With that said, the medallion system is a joke, it basically is a government created monopoly.

Jaxyon
Mar 7, 2016
I’m just saying I would like to see a man beat a woman in a cage. Just to be sure.

Still Dismal posted:

This kinda owns, and I hope it's succesful. Uber and lyft are bad companies built on regulatory arbitrage, but the taxi system they replaced also loving sucked, and a big part of why they were able to eat the Taxi companies alive so completely is that they did genuinely offer a far better user experience. This looks like it's hopefully combining the good aspects of that with public transit, I'm loving hype and I really really hope it does well.

Yeah the taxi medallion system is designed top to bottom to exploit poor immigrants, just in a different way than the rideshares.

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant

Jaxyon posted:

Looks decent and that's new to me, but advertising that now makes it really easy for the capitalists to say "they just want to drive us out of business so they can start their own"
It'd be nice if the vehicles were EVs or Hybrids. Mexico used those VW Combibuses for a lot of transit and, while cramped, I always liked them as an alternative to big honking busses.

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

Fuck the DH

Enigma89 posted:

Uber was a god send for me in NYC because not being 100% white and trying to get a taxi from Manhattan to a rougher part in Brooklyn was extremely hard especially at night.

With that said, the medallion system is a joke, it basically is a government created monopoly.

It was also a god send in southern Nevada because taxis don’t care about leaving downtown when there’s a never ending stream of drunks moving between casinos who occasionally tip $100. The state tried making licenses that had limited hours in the tourist corridor to try to serve the surrounding community, but that wasn’t successful. In addition, tourists who have never been to the city before now don’t have to give direct navigational instruction to experienced taxi drivers who deliberately take inefficient routes between common places to drive up fares.

Part of the problem was the old Vegas mob left the casinos and seemingly moved into the industries that support the casinos, so taxis always had this “eyy, gently caress you” attitude to the public and the media and the government calling out their scams.

sincx
Jul 13, 2012

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Meme Poker Party
Sep 1, 2006

by Azathoth
Desensitize yourself and face to fire.

Jaxyon
Mar 7, 2016
I’m just saying I would like to see a man beat a woman in a cage. Just to be sure.
Just so people are clear the reason why Taxis suck is that they prey on immigrants with loans for medallions where they lie about the terms and they are essentially set up so they never can be paid off and you'll work your entire life for next to nothing and probably suicide, which is not a joke and happens quite a lot.

The entire thing is, top to bottom, a scam to make money for banks at the expense of the lives of immigrants.

Fill Baptismal
Dec 15, 2008
Yeah it's a ridiculously exploitative system where the medallions get sold for huge sums because the amount of them issued is so limited, so new drivers take out massive loans to buy them then spend most of their career paying them off, hoping to sell them off to finance their own retirement. Just because Uber is bad doesn't mean what it replaced was good. To say nothing of how generally lovely to ride in cabs could be.

I suppose I'm fortunate that the time in my life when I was most likely to be going out to bars regularly more or less overlapped with the VC-subsidized Uber/Lyft era before it all came crashing down, which looks increasingly likely. I guess us youngish-millenials have had at least one instance of good timing in that.

Fill Baptismal fucked around with this message at 01:12 on Aug 21, 2020

Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019

Jaxyon posted:

Looks decent and that's new to me, but advertising that now makes it really easy for the capitalists to say "they just want to drive us out of business so they can start their own"

Good

Jaxyon
Mar 7, 2016
I’m just saying I would like to see a man beat a woman in a cage. Just to be sure.

Im fine with that too.

I'm just saying that lots of people literally think that Lyft/Uber and whatnot are successful profitable businesses. It's a possible PR loss for Metro

BeAuMaN
Feb 18, 2014

I'M A LEAD FARMER, MOTHERFUCKER!

Eh... I don't think this is an accurate take? So According to the CA 1st Appellate District docket for case A160706 (If that link doesn't work, go here and search that case number): On 8/10 Superior Court Judge Schulman, who ordered Lyft and Uber to reclassify their drivers, gave them a temporary stay to file their appeal once they indicated the planned to do so; they filed a request for an Emergency Stay on 10/17, with 2463 pages of exhibits (Honestly I don't know how to get a hold of CA legal docs like I do on Pacer; I wish Court Listener supported this). Bunch of people were filing amici briefs ("friend of the court" letters from non-parties for, against, or neutral to each party), and the court didn't resolve any of this until 8/20, where they decided to temporarily halt the reclassification order while giving Uber and Lyft time to file. Here's the quote of the order filed.

quote:

On August 10, 2020, the trial court issued a preliminary injunction enjoining Lyft, Inc. (Lyft) and Uber Technologies, Inc. (Uber) from classifying their drivers as independent contractors and from violating certain laws. Both Lyft and Uber have appealed the order, and the trial court stayed the injunction for ten days to allow them to seek relief in this court. Lyft (in case No. A160701) and Uber (in case No. A160706) have each petitioned this court for a writ of supersedeas. The People have filed an opposition to the petitions. The petitions for writ of supersedeas are hereby consolidated for purposes of decision. The petitions are granted and the preliminary injunction is stayed pending resolution of Lyft and Uber's appeals, subject to the condition that, by 5:00 p.m. on August 25, 2020, Lyft and Uber shall both file written consents to the expedited procedures specified herein. If Lyft and Uber do not both file such written consents, the stay shall expire at 5:00 p.m. on August 25, 2020.
The procedures are as follows:
1. Lyft's and Uber's appeals shall be consolidated. Lyft and Uber may file separate briefs or combined briefs as they prefer.
2. Lyft and Uber shall proceed with an appendix in lieu of a clerk's transcript on appeal. (Cal. Rules of Court, rule 8.124.) They shall cooperate to prepare and file a single combined appellants' appendix, rather than separate appendices, which they shall file no later than the date they file their opening briefs. The appendix shall include a full copy of the index at the beginning of each appendix volume, and the digital copy of the appendix shall include pdf bookmark tabs for each entry on the index.
3. Briefing shall proceed on the following schedule. The appellants' opening briefs shall be filed no later than September 4, 2020. The respondent's brief shall be filed no later than September 18, 2020. The reply briefs, if any, shall be filed no later than September 25, 2020. Absent unforeseen extraordinary circumstances, there shall be no extensions. Oral argument shall be scheduled for October 13, 2020.
4. On or before September 4, 2020, each defendant shall submit a sworn statement from its chief executive officer confirming that it has developed implementation plans under which, if this court affirms the preliminary injunction and Proposition 22 on the November 2020 ballot fails to pass, the company will be prepared to comply with the preliminary injunction within no more than 30 days after issuance of the remittitur in the appeal.
5. Should Lyft or Uber fail to comply with these procedures, the People may apply to this court to vacate this stay. Unless otherwise ordered, the stay will dissolve upon issuance of the remittitur in the appeal. (Cal. Rules of Court, rule 8.272.)
This just seems to be normal court procedure preserving status quo (or whatever they think deals "less harm" in the interim) until a final decision is made. Pretty sure the temporary order giving them a stay on the lower court's order while the appeal is in process would have gone through whether they threatened to close down or not. Also not a lawyer; just happen to look at court stuff often enough regarding gun laws.

Qtotonibudinibudet
Nov 7, 2011



Omich poluyobok, skazhi ty narkoman? ya prosto tozhe gde to tam zhivu, mogli by vmeste uyobyvat' narkotiki

sincx posted:

Lol, East Bay Parks updated their list of parks to indicate which ones are currently on fire

2020 really is something else



if they all catch fire does the risk go back down to low 🤔

Admiral Ray
May 17, 2014

Proud Musk and Dogecoin fanboy
See, if Newsom took Trump's advice and hired a third of the state to rake the forests this whole fire thing would never be an issue.

Wicked Them Beats
Apr 1, 2007

Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

Still Dismal posted:

I guess us youngish-millenials have had at least one instance of good timing in that.

Well, the millenials that could afford to be the ones going out to bars instead of the ones driving the ubers, anyways.

BeAuMaN
Feb 18, 2014

I'M A LEAD FARMER, MOTHERFUCKER!

Admiral Ray posted:

See, if Newsom took Trump's advice and hired a third of the state to rake the forests this whole fire thing would never be an issue.
You mean use prisoners as slave labor to rake the forests. :allears:

Fill Baptismal
Dec 15, 2008

Wicked Them Beats posted:

Well, the millenials that could afford to be the ones going out to bars instead of the ones driving the ubers, anyways.

No ethical consumption under capitalism, etc. :shrug: And taking a Uber once or twice a month hardly makes one part of the 1%. Part of the reason Uber ate so much of the market is burning VC cash subsidizing cheaper rides.

Wicked Them Beats
Apr 1, 2007

Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

Still Dismal posted:

No ethical consumption under capitalism, etc. :shrug: And taking a Uber once or twice a month hardly makes one part of the 1%. Part of the reason Uber ate so much of the market is burning VC cash subsidizing cheaper rides.

sorry, wasn't meaning to call you out or anything. Pretty much all of us outside of the top 10% of earners are getting hosed to some degree.

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate


I knew people who took Ubers to community college every single day in SoCal. I hated those people.

Dr. Fraiser Chain
May 18, 2004

Redlining my shit posting machine


I have a cankor sore the size of a tictac below my front teeth and I want to die. Thanks for coming to my Ted talk

Chard
Aug 24, 2010




Posting from an evac location, hope my house is still there in a few days

2020 hellworld forever

Ursine Catastrophe
Nov 9, 2009

It's a lovely morning in the void and you are a horrible lady-in-waiting.



don't ask how i know

Dinosaur Gum

Wicked Them Beats posted:

sorry, wasn't meaning to call you out or anything. Pretty much all of us outside of the top 10% of earners are getting hosed to some degree.

we always were, even the most full throated petite bourgeois landlord/management/investor types, it was just a question of "how long before you hit that inevitable unlucky dice roll when you suddenly realize how precarious your position was all along, and the royalty isn't going to save you either". there's just a hell of a lot more dice to roll in 2020 and god knows that probably won't get any better going forward


if there really is an afterlife where you can peruse the history of the species, the first thing I'm going to do is cross-reference everyone from that one landlord thread to see where they ended up after all of this, should be good for some laffs

The Glumslinger
Sep 24, 2008

Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?


Hair Elf
Some good news

https://mobile.twitter.com/ethanbaron/status/1296639777064669185

Kenning
Jan 11, 2009

I really want to post goatse. Instead I only have these🍄.



Chard posted:

Posting from an evac location, hope my house is still there in a few days

2020 hellworld forever

Sorry man, hope your home is okay in all this.

side_burned
Nov 3, 2004

My mother is a fish.

Isn't fire part of the redwoods life cycle?

Edit: I know this absolutly a first world problem, but I am starting a two week vacation today and I got say, lousy time for it. I can't really go any where and the air quality here in SLO county is loving horrid.

edit2:

Chard posted:

2020 hellworld forever
This needs to be a gang tag, now.

side_burned fucked around with this message at 10:05 on Aug 21, 2020

BeAuMaN
Feb 18, 2014

I'M A LEAD FARMER, MOTHERFUCKER!

Chard posted:

2020 hellworld forever
The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Debate & Discussion > California Politics Thread: Driving an Uber Through the Fire and Flames

Admiral Ray
May 17, 2014

Proud Musk and Dogecoin fanboy
starting to think this whole fire thing is no bueno.

Spazzle
Jul 5, 2003

Admiral Ray posted:

starting to think this whole fire thing is no bueno.

Looks like someone isn't cut out for the California lifestyle.

HelloSailorSign
Jan 27, 2011

California taking that whole, "get rid of it if it doesn't bring you joy" thing too far.

DrSunshine
Mar 23, 2009

Did I just say that out loud~~?!!!
Climate change brings me no joy.

Admiral Ray
May 17, 2014

Proud Musk and Dogecoin fanboy
what if instead of letting the fires burn we simply put them out? why isn't there an app for this?

Meme Poker Party
Sep 1, 2006

by Azathoth

Admiral Ray posted:

what if instead of letting the fires burn we simply put them out? why isn't there an app for this?

lmao that in the modern world the two problems "we have legions of unemployed and desperate young people" and "we have a severe shortage of people to do a critical, physical job" exist at the same time. Welp nope I'm afraid there is no solution. It's just impossible to fight fires if your penal battalions get too sick.

Wicked Them Beats
Apr 1, 2007

Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

Chomp8645 posted:

lmao that in the modern world the two problems "we have legions of unemployed and desperate young people" and "we have a severe shortage of people to do a critical, physical job" exist at the same time. Welp nope I'm afraid there is no solution. It's just impossible to fight fires if your penal battalions get too sick.

I'm sure at some point a legislator has considered putting together a bill to form emergency fire brigades or similar. And then they thought about the angry phone call the Assembly Speaker was going to get from the fire association, sighed heavily, and shelved the idea.

FCKGW
May 21, 2006


Unfortunately the visitor's center and all the 100+ year old historic buildings in the park burnt down.

Park's gonna be closed for a while.

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

Chomp8645 posted:

lmao that in the modern world the two problems "we have legions of unemployed and desperate young people" and "we have a severe shortage of people to do a critical, physical job" exist at the same time. Welp nope I'm afraid there is no solution. It's just impossible to fight fires if your penal battalions get too sick.
:capitalism: working as intended

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

Dashing? But I'm not even moving!


https://twitter.com/uhshanti/status/1296717665046691840

I've been thinking we're boned

LtStorm
Aug 8, 2010

You'll pay for this, Shady Shrew!


Chomp8645 posted:

lmao that in the modern world the two problems "we have legions of unemployed and desperate young people" and "we have a severe shortage of people to do a critical, physical job" exist at the same time. Welp nope I'm afraid there is no solution. It's just impossible to fight fires if your penal battalions get too sick.

So we just need to criminalize joblessness and this problem will be solved. :thunk:

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Boredumb
Mar 10, 2005

LtStorm posted:

So we just need to criminalize joblessness and this problem will be solved. :thunk:

It already is criminalized

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