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ocrumsprug posted:Again, since you are dense as gently caress. Um actually according to this amazing and well-researched bit of journalism, Fentanyl is a so-called "designer drug" and it's really popular with teens! quote:Police across the country are looking into several overdoses that happened over the weekend, to see if there’s a connection with a so-called “designer drug”. It’s called Fentanyl and just one pill can be deadly. The drug is becoming more and more popular, not just with teens but adults living in the suburbs across Canada. Ross Lord reports.
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ocrumsprug posted:Again, since you are dense as gently caress. Yes I know, I'm talking about the merits of opiates in general. I can't imagine that heroin is that much more enjoyable than dosed and measured fentanyl, or more quickly addictive. I'm saying I've been worried about getting an unfortunate liking for opiates too much based on this surgery for three loving weeks, since everyone seems to treat it as an ultra-addictive death sentence. It was my number one anxiety before surgery, so loving excuse me if I'm a little pissed I got all worked up for nothing. Christ sake, you people...
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Most people don't get addicted after one dose, but the majority of new opiod addictions result from being introduced to the drugs in a medical setting i.e. prescribed by a doctor for something legitimate. Because your autism is flaring up, I'll explain that doctors usually prescribe painkillers in tiny bottles that come with 30, 60 or even 200 doses in them. 60 pills are definitely enough to form a physical dependency, but when a prescription runs out (the special paper only doctors have that tells pharmacies to give you the addictive medicines) people must turn to street drugs to keep from going through agonizing withdrawls. e: Those street drugs are often laced with fentanyl.
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Or just put him on ignore. That's what I did... but people's quotes triggered me because tragic reasons I don't want to talk about here.
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ocrumsprug posted:Again, since you are dense as gently caress. Sorta right and wrong at the same time. There are tons of recreational fentanyl users that seek out and buy fentanyl on purpose. They know its fentanyl because they break down a fentanyl patch and get high from it. It is a recreational drug. Also, there is a separate major health issue in the opiate drug use world right now where users believe they are buying heroin/prescription pills and they contain some or lots of fentanyl, and since the dose/overdose range is so dramatic, are overdosing and dying like we haven't really ever seen before.
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Aug 31, 2016 20:02
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It's been shown that responding to a PT6A post even once can create a serious dependency. That's why we all need to support and encourage each other in this brutal struggle to stop letting whatever random thoughts drift through his head define every page of this thread.
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Aug 31, 2016 20:08
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DariusLikewise posted:China is going to extend the deadline for their Canola rules, wonder what the PM had to give up for that So far he's given up loving everything. He stayed mum about human rights, shoulder-shrugged the fact that the Chinese are currently holding a Canadian citizen in jail indefinitely, said nothing about the fact that the Chinese are constantly bullying and berating our reporters, and even joined China's stupid wannabe world bank. This is a disgrace in my opinion.
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PT6A posted:Gladly, I'm pretty sure that's horseshit, because I don't ever want to take opiates again. Addiction doesn't mean "I wanna take this drug" you moron
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Fojar38 posted:So far he's given up loving everything. He stayed mum about human rights, shoulder-shrugged the fact that the Chinese are currently holding a Canadian citizen in jail indefinitely, said nothing about the fact that the Chinese are constantly bullying and berating our reporters, and even joined China's stupid wannabe world bank. Look pal, if we don't kowtow at every possible opportunity they'll never send over thousands of labourers to work in slave-like conditions, extracting our natural resources to ship back to China, to be sold back to us as finished goods! And then what will we do huh?
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infernal machines posted:Look pal, if we don't kowtow at every possible opportunity they'll never send over thousands of labourers to work in slave-like conditions, extracting our natural resources to ship back to China, to be resold here as finished goods! Gonna need those chinese for more than just labour soon. quote:Half of Ontario’s Grade 6 students failed to meet provincial standards in math, according to the latest standardized test results released Wednesday.
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Aug 31, 2016 20:22
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Clearly our standards are too high, I mean 50% of kids are below average anyway, right?
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Aug 31, 2016 20:23
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PT6A posted:Just got off an IV fentanyl drip for surgery. Don't see what the fuss is, I didn't even like it as much as nitrous. Anyone who gets hooked after one try, as someone had claimed could happen, has serious issues. Never post here again.
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Aug 31, 2016 20:27
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Every generation of posters has their fraterninte and you all so desperately crave his attention.
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Aug 31, 2016 20:32
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Ikantski posted:Gonna need those chinese for more than just labour soon.  Well clearly that means the standards are too high, and we're wasting too much precious classroom time teaching our kids how to turn each other gay, and furthermore...
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I don't know u guys. Think of all you'll miss if you put canpols most important thinktellectual on ignore
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infernal machines posted:Look pal, if we don't kowtow at every possible opportunity they'll never send over thousands of labourers to work in slave-like conditions, extracting our natural resources to ship back to China, to be sold back to us as finished goods! China's state media is lighting up with Trudeau's kowtowing as a source of CCP legitimacy and its AIIB heralding a new global order. He literally gave a dictator a reacharound for the sake of canola exports.
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Booourns posted:Addiction doesn't mean "I wanna take this drug" you moron Yes it does, it just significantly changes the calculus in your head for want vs don't want, which is what I was afraid could happen to me. I've been drinking and smoking for long enough to know the difference. Addiction doesn't put a cigarette in your mouth or a needle in your vein, it just makes it super loving hard to resist doing so because you want to in spite of all the negative consequences. Addiction is a powerful and scary thing which is why I'm relieved to find that I don't like opiates, and kind of miffed at the people who overstated the addiction risks. Right now I want this loving poo poo 100% out of my bloodstream so I can stand and be steady again.
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I think it's more accurate to say 'Addiction doesn't mean "I like taking this drug"'. Clearly a desire to use the substance exists.
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JVNO posted:I think it's more accurate to say 'Addiction doesn't mean "I like taking this drug"'. Clearly a desire to use the substance exists. I quite agree. I'm just saying that, based on this experience, I would consciously avoid taking opiates in the future, which is why I think the "just once can get you addicted" sounds more like DARE bullshit than reality. If we're going to treat addiction as the disease it is, we need to do so from a position of knowledge and reality, not fearmongering.
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PT6A posted:I quite agree. I'm just saying that, based on this experience, I would consciously avoid taking opiates in the future, which is why I think the "just once can get you addicted" sounds more like DARE bullshit than reality. If we're going to treat addiction as the disease it is, we need to do so from a position of knowledge and reality, not fearmongering. Except it can be that easy for some persons with some substances. Some folks are more susceptible to addiction in general than others; and some are more susceptible to specific things. Also important is the context under which you're introduced to the substance- Was it a prescription? Was it a coping mechanism? Was it recreational? It's best not to generalize your personal experience to the population. For instance, I had a much harder time kicking marijuana and videogame habits than cigarettes and opioids. The latter were a prescription following surgery- I just hated em. I doubt this would be the case for most people introduced to the same things. PoizenJam fucked around with this message at 01:31 on Sep 1, 2016 |
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I took a drink once and didn't turn into an alcoholic, therefore alcoholism is bullshit.
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PT6A posted:I quite agree. I'm just saying that, based on this experience, I would consciously avoid taking opiates in the future, which is why I think the "just once can get you addicted" sounds more like DARE bullshit than reality. Are you aware of the difference between "can" and "will"?
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As do I. What's your point? I was worried, based on my history with liquor and smokes and every other addictive thing I've tried, I would at least want to abuse opiates even if I didn't become addicted to them, as a result of this dose. My cousin died of an OD and I was wondering if this could trigger something in my brain that would cause me to do the same thing -- aided by viewpoints in this thread and in the news saying just one dose can cause dependency or addiction. It made me more nervous than the thought of complications, or the pain itself, or anything. So, after 15 days of that stress, do you see why I might be a trifle pissed off it appears about as accurate as the "dealers will lace your pot with ACID!" nonsense I heard in school? I'm not arguing that opiates aren't addictive, I'm just saying that, in the middle of this crisis we both hand them out like candy and then fearmonger about how terrible they are. Does that seem like sane policy to you? Does that seem helpful to addicts themselves or people who might need opiates for a legit medical purpose?
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Holy poo poo shut up you loving moron
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I get that asking people not to respond to PT6A en mass is useless. But if you assholes insist on dunking on him for pages on end, could you at least that the time to read what he said and respond to it rather than your least charitable interpretation?
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So hey did you guys know that CN Rail thinks they're exempt from provincial legislation including for example regulations related to environmental protection because they're a federal undertaking and have "interjurisdictional immunity"? That's fun. Let's privatize more things.
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Fojar38 posted:He literally gave a dictator a reacharound for the sake of canola exports. Canada kept exporting literally cancer for years after we knew we were actually exporting cancer, just for the sake of votes in a lovely riding in rural quebec
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So, it turns out Marvel Universe Justin Trudeau can punch out Tony Stark while lecturing him about morality. so that's cool. http://www.ctvnews.ca/entertainment/justin-trudeau-debuts-on-marvel-cover-alongside-canadian-superheroes-1.3052003
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Isn't the Canadian government evil in Marvel
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Jonny Nox posted:So, it turns out Marvel Universe Justin Trudeau can punch out Tony Stark while lecturing him about morality. Canada's most popular fictional character can beat up Marvel's most popular fiction character, eh? Isn't that something.
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toe knee hand posted:So hey did you guys know that CN Rail thinks they're exempt from provincial legislation including for example regulations related to environmental protection because they're a federal undertaking and have "interjurisdictional immunity"? That's fun. Let's privatize more things. Sort of like the approach China's State Owned Enterprises use to avoid trivial annoyances like oversight and accountability? I get so confused about the difference between captitalism and communism these days.
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Fojar38 posted:Isn't the Canadian government evil in Marvel Marvel Canada had a secret program to create Wolverine. Real life Canada had a secret program to create the Fruit Machine.
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Real Canada would have sold the Weapon X program to SNC Lavalin.
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PT6A posted:Just got off an IV fentanyl drip for surgery. Don't see what the fuss is, I didn't even like it as much as nitrous. Anyone who gets hooked after one try, as someone had claimed could happen, has serious issues. In my experience, narcotics are only an issue when you take them when you don't need them.
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Jonny Nox posted:So, it turns out Marvel Universe Justin Trudeau can punch out Tony Stark while lecturing him about morality. Does Tony Stark then move to take the moral high ground because he stopped selling weapons to horrible people?
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Rust Martialis posted:In my experience, narcotics are only an issue when you take them when you don't need them. Makes good sense, which is why I've turned them down when offered and I don't need that level of pain relief. I can see how, if the doctors and nurses here were giving out Perocets for pain relief (we get our choice of Tylenol or Advil, no codeine even) it would be significantly more likely to result in addiction. Obviously the great majority of opiate abuse is caused by physical dependence and a desire to avoid withdrawals, and all policy should be crafted taking that into account. It's just, after all the horror stories and propaganda I've heard, it was a largely unpleasant high for me, hardly something I'd pursue in the future. Sorry if anyone got offended, I'm just pleasantly surprised that this is the first addictive substance I've taken in my life that I haven't immediately been fond of. I love caffeine, nicotine and alcohol so very much, and I didn't want to add opiates to that list.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Real Canada would have sold the Weapon X program to SNC Lavalin. I'm picturing more of a Bombardier scenario where the government has to continually bail them out.
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