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Who is the man??
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Goku 202 7.09%
Vegeta 279 9.79%
Krillin 208 7.30%
Piccolo or his nameks 212 7.44%
Gohan or Cool Gohan 135 4.74%
Yamcha 90 3.16%
Tien 120 4.21%
Muten Roshi 89 3.12%
Tao Pai Pai 71 2.49%
Frieza 69 2.42%
Cell or an android 86 3.02%
Buu 62 2.18%
Hercule "Mark" Satan 327 11.48%
Videl 90 3.16%
Bulma 104 3.65%
Yajirobe 99 3.47%
Ginyu or other Frieza squad guy 68 2.39%
King kai or another kai 53 1.86%
Chi-Chi 83 2.91%
Goten 43 1.51%
Trunks or Cool Trunks 112 3.93%
Bardock 48 1.68%
Other villain of DB,Z, or GT(please post about it!) 41 1.44%
Uub 42 1.47%
Oolong 90 3.16%
Zamasu 26 0.91%
Total: 1326 votes
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Brother Entropy
Dec 27, 2009

i can't think of any other narrative reason for him to there and it'd be a very toriyama kind of joke to finally introduce a fan favorite non-canon character into the main stuff and make their defeat a dumb gag by a side character

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PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

One Nation, Under God.
It seems more likely that he'd trigger the transformation rather than trigger a loss.

Cirina
Feb 15, 2013

Operation complete.
I think this episode made me realize that I really don't want Roshi showing up as a character in this show at all, and would much prefer him to be banished to the background, never to have a line or gag again.

Manatee Cannon
Aug 26, 2010



this episode had roshi as a lot more... aggressive? in his perversion than I remember him being from og dragon ball. like he was a lecher but he didn't literally carry any girls off into a room to chase them around. it also wasn't the only thing he ever did on screen. flanderization sucks, especially when the character gimmick already sucked to begin with

next episode looks cool tho. neither has had the best track record lately so I actually believe it could go either way. that's unusual for dragon ball

Lupus Rufus
Aug 11, 2008

Prepare for trouble!

And make it a double!
that better not happen to Kale or Caulifla (are both gonna participate? who knows??) like i know it's very toriyama to do but that doesn't necessarily mean it's good or funny.

sassassin
Apr 3, 2010

by Azathoth
Last time Roshi was that outright rapey he had the black water mist as an excuse.

Goku backing out of the room and leaving her to her fate was dodgy as gently caress.

Tien sucks and so do his students.

a cartoon duck
Sep 5, 2011

I can't believe the two different character designs belonged to two different characters.

Manatee Cannon posted:

this episode had roshi as a lot more... aggressive? in his perversion than I remember him being from og dragon ball. like he was a lecher but he didn't literally carry any girls off into a room to chase them around. it also wasn't the only thing he ever did on screen. flanderization sucks, especially when the character gimmick already sucked to begin with

It's been almost two decades since I watched vanilla flavour Dragon Ball so my memory is hazy at best, but I also don't recall him being this bad back then. Maybe because previously it was with characters like Bulma and Lunch who would just whip out guns and riddle him with bullets so the joke was on him and not on the girl? Either way it was actually pretty uncomfortable at moments.

At least he switched gears pretty quickly into being a proper martial artist once he recognised her as an opponent so maybe he won't be too bad in the tournament proper?

bowmore
Oct 6, 2008



Lipstick Apathy
Watching Roshi get all creepy in 2017 ruined this episode for me, what a shame

Blockhouse
Sep 7, 2014

You Win!
yeah this was way worse than usual this was some seven deadly sins poo poo and makes me want to not see roshi like ever again if this is how they're going to do things

Kanos
Sep 6, 2006

was there a time when speedwagon didn't get trolled

Rutibex posted:

Saiyans must lead really easy lives if none of them ever got upset enough to go super before being showed how. It seems pretty trivial to do once you know it, if Frieza hadn't destroyed them they all would have all learned it.

Going Super Saiyan for the first time is weird. If literally all it takes is "get mad enough" then I'm pretty sure Freeza would have ended up facing down a literal army of Super Saiyans when he went to blow up Planet Vegeta and Gohan would have 100% been the first Super Saiyan because Gohan's entire fighting style up through basically the Buu Saga is "get rear end kicked until mad enough to pull out bullshit power".

It would make sense if you needed some sort of deep, personal mental fortitude(Goku's love for his friends, Vegeta's boundless pride, Cabba's desire to be a hero and protect his planet) to do it, but then you've got Trunks and Goten who did it while they were literally children who didn't actually understand what was going on. You could kind of hand wave it by saying "oh they're half-breeds" but Gohan had to bust his rear end to learn how to do it and he is too, so :shrug:

And yeah the Roshi scenes in this episode were really really terrible. Master Roshi when he's being a cool old martial arts master who likes looking at porno books and panty shots is awesome. Master Roshi when he's locking a girl in a room and trying to molest her is terrible. :smith:

Aurora
Jan 7, 2008

The spoilers dude didn't want to reveal/discuss: There's a current rumor going around about episode 93's title being "You are the 10th Warrior, Frieza!" or something. Potentially super fake but who knows.

Also why can't Roshi just be Jackie Chun all the time instead of Roshi, at least he was equal parts martial artist and lecher

Crabtree
Oct 17, 2012

ARRRGH! Get that wallet out!
Everybody: Lowtax in a Pickle!
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Dinosaur Gum
Am I insane or did they take Kale and Cali straight from Fusions designs but with a new name?

Burkion posted:

Either they're building something big up for Tien, or some one really does not like him at Toei.

Mind it makes sense what happened with him here. He was holding back, and Roshi got him with that one special attack that as far as anyone knows is pretty much unbeatable- turning your own Ki into electricity against you. Remember, Goku only got out of it due to transforming into a giant ape.

Why Goku never picked THAT power up, who knows

Roshi probably never gave him the chance as a kind of ace in the hole in case things go bad again. Goku, not fighting Roshi that much, never got much of a chance to see it or study it again.

seiferguy
Jun 9, 2005

FLAWED
INTUITION



Toilet Rascal
OG Dragon Ball had Roshi tell Goku and Krillin to find him a nice pichi-pichi gal, so none of this is surprising from him.

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

a cartoon duck posted:

Maybe because previously it was with characters like Bulma and Lunch who would just whip out guns and riddle him with bullets so the joke was on him and not on the girl? Either way it was actually pretty uncomfortable at moments.

I think you guys are giving Roshi too little credit. He was loving with that girl because he knew she was evil. He wasn't trying to rape some innocent girl, he was trying to get a dengerious witch to show her true colours.

Aurora
Jan 7, 2008

And did you see the clothes she was wearing?

Blockhouse
Sep 7, 2014

You Win!

Rutibex posted:

I think you guys are giving Roshi too little credit. He was loving with that girl because he knew she was evil. He wasn't trying to rape some innocent girl, he was trying to get a dengerious witch to show her true colours.

I know this thread loves writing fanfiction to cover up the many story gaps in dragon ball but I feel like even by those standards this is a gigantic stretch

there's none of that presented in the scene

sassassin
Apr 3, 2010

by Azathoth
Molesting someone is okay if they're a baddie

Josuke Higashikata
Mar 7, 2013


Aurora posted:

The spoilers dude didn't want to reveal/discuss: There's a current rumor going around about episode 93's title being "You are the 10th Warrior, Frieza!" or something. Potentially super fake but who knows.

Also why can't Roshi just be Jackie Chun all the time instead of Roshi, at least he was equal parts martial artist and lecher

If this was true, marketing would be all in on it from day 1 of the arc. This isn't the kind of thing DB would keep close to its chest, nor is there a lot of reason to so I'd be amazed if it worked out to be true.

Dias
Feb 20, 2011

by sebmojo
Yeah, I have to say Molester Roshi is a bit too uncomfortable for me to ignore, it felt they leaned too hard on that character aspect and fell flat on their faces. I didn't like the girl either, but that's because I don't like that type of character, unproportionate response tsundere. But hey, Saiyan Girl Squad is assembling and I already dig criminal queen Caulifla. "Oh, this whole GET HUGE thing sounds cool, guess I can do it then". Also random goon trying to get at Cabba with a knife, good luck with that.

I feel Tien was the only dude that didn't get a bump from his recruitment episode. Even 18 got to kick Goku and be a cool battle wife, Tien just got bodied by Shadow Roshi and adopted a murderer. At least he's not Chiaotzu, the most useless of them all.

Junpei Hyde
Mar 15, 2013




Dias posted:

Yeah, I have to say Molester Roshi is a bit too uncomfortable for me to ignore, it felt they leaned too hard on that character aspect and fell flat on their faces. I didn't like the girl either, but that's because I don't like that type of character, unproportionate response tsundere. But hey, Saiyan Girl Squad is assembling and I already dig criminal queen Caulifla. "Oh, this whole GET HUGE thing sounds cool, guess I can do it then". Also random goon trying to get at Cabba with a knife, good luck with that.

I feel Tien was the only dude that didn't get a bump from his recruitment episode. Even 18 got to kick Goku and be a cool battle wife, Tien just got bodied by Shadow Roshi and adopted a murderer. At least he's not Chiaotzu, the most useless of them all.

Chiaotzu actually accomplished more in the battle than Tien did.

Shinjobi
Jul 10, 2008


Gravy Boat 2k
Confirmation that Krillin is better than Tien.

YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


seiferguy posted:

OG Dragon Ball had Roshi tell Goku and Krillin to find him a nice pichi-pichi gal, so none of this is surprising from him.

OG Dragon Ball also had Roshi being able to interact with a girl while being a pervo only every fourth line of dialogue. It wasn't anywhere near as much as this episode.

Rudoku
Jun 15, 2003

Damn I need a drink...


YF-23 posted:

OG Dragon Ball also had Roshi being able to interact with a girl while being a pervo only every fourth line of dialogue. It wasn't anywhere near as much as this episode.

Those hookers Bulma ordered for him really did a number on him.

Aurora
Jan 7, 2008

Josuke Higashikata posted:

If this was true, marketing would be all in on it from day 1 of the arc. This isn't the kind of thing DB would keep close to its chest, nor is there a lot of reason to so I'd be amazed if it worked out to be true.

The marketing blitz for the arc is already insane and having all the current lineup be the hype before a bait and switch is enough that I could see it happening, but I'm not taking it for proven fact

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
I'm just trying to figure out how it would WORK

It'd have to be to replace Buu, because bringing Freeza in to stand in for anyone less powerful than Buu would be insane. The weaker dudes are here for their talent, skill and team work- NONE OF WHICH ARE THINGS FREEZA HAS. Freeza would be brought in to be raw power and that's it. It'd also have to be Beerus' idea, because literally no one alive would either think about doing it, or would WANT to do it.

YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


Uh guys come on, they'll lose a fighter and they'll ask Yamcha, who will assume the heroic role he was always intended to have and save the day for the earth and the entire universe.

mabels big day
Feb 25, 2012

freezer will replace goku

heehee
Sep 5, 2012

haha wow i cant believe how lucky we got to win :D
Roshi wasn't like that all the time in dragon ball (and I don't think he ever was in dbz that I can remember), but I think it was supposed to be because there weren't any women at the dojo so Roshi hadn't seen one in a while?

OB_Juan
Nov 24, 2004

Not every day is a good day.


Dinosaur Gum
There's no way. Freeza can't be relied upn to save the universe. Assuming they wish him back, he knows what his afterlife will look like, and having the entire universe wiped is preferable. I guess they could promise him a better afterlife, maybe? Even then, getting in one final, massive "gently caress you" to Goku might be worth oblivion to Feeza.

Beerus doesn't even really want him alive, because he'll almost definitely either tell Goku/Vegeta about why he blew up Planet Vegeta, or hold that over Beerus. I guess Beerus could just destroy him post-tournament, but that's pretty grim, too.

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

OB_Juan posted:

There's no way. Freeza can't be relied upn to save the universe. Assuming they wish him back, he knows what his afterlife will look like, and having the entire universe wiped is preferable. I guess they could promise him a better afterlife, maybe? Even then, getting in one final, massive "gently caress you" to Goku might be worth oblivion to Feeza.

Beerus doesn't even really want him alive, because he'll almost definitely either tell Goku/Vegeta about why he blew up Planet Vegeta, or hold that over Beerus. I guess Beerus could just destroy him post-tournament, but that's pretty grim, too.


Freeza will be tempted into the tournament with the knowledge that the best fighter gets a wish from the Super Dragonballs. Thats why I asked earlier how that was going to be determined.

Blockhouse
Sep 7, 2014

You Win!
I have not seen any of the usual sources talk about this supposed episode title so my guess is its fake as hell

Rhjamiz
Oct 28, 2007

Could this be the beginning of Frieza's redemption arc? Goten still needs an alien dad, after all.

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

Rhjamiz posted:

Could this be the beginning of Frieza's redemption arc? Goten still needs an alien dad, after all.

I am 100% on board with good guy Frieza. After they faked us out with Frost I think we deserve it.

Dias
Feb 20, 2011

by sebmojo
I wouldn't be surprised if that was a misrepresentation, deliberate or not, of a Frost recruitment episode.

Crabtree
Oct 17, 2012

ARRRGH! Get that wallet out!
Everybody: Lowtax in a Pickle!
Pickle! Pickle! Pickle! Pickle!

Dinosaur Gum

Rutibex posted:

I am 100% on board with good guy Frieza. After they faked us out with Frost I think we deserve it.

Doesn't he already have an alien dad in probably hanging around Trunks and Vegeta more than Kakarot? He'll help baby sit bra so Vegeta can train and probably at point just take over inviting both of them to an arcade or something because Goku sure as poo poo isn't going to step up his dad game.

Shindragon
Jun 6, 2011

by Athanatos
Mannnn that was a very uncomfortable episode and I really didn't care about this lame rear end girl character. The fact we have two sayians girl confirmed is great though. Oh well i guess not every episode can swing it out of the park. Way to make Tien look like a scrub though. I guess we know whose the first one to get eliminated.

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
Again, I'd be more worried about the characters who have been showing off a lot lately.

Gohan is going to enter the danger zone if he plays all of his cards in the next episode otherwise he has a high chance of being super important.

Buu is basically doomed, Goku is hosed, 17 will likely go down to some one really powerful.

Unless Toei really hates Tien, he's going to get a big moment in the actual tournament. Unless he goes toe to toe with Piccolo next episode I guess.


Piccolo is also screwed but that's because Piccolo is always screwed. At this point the saviors of the universe are likely going to be Krillin, 18, and Vegeta.

Rhonne
Feb 13, 2012

Everyone except Goku will be eliminated by the end of the first episode.

Wuxi
Apr 3, 2012

Burkion posted:

Gohan is going to enter the danger zone if he plays all of his cards in the next episode otherwise he has a high chance of being super important.

Gohans gonna get a new transformation this arc and I don't think they'll show it next episode

Burkion posted:

At this point the saviors of the universe are likely going to be Krillin, 18, and Vegeta.

I'm ok with this

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sassassin
Apr 3, 2010

by Azathoth
How much do you want to bet Gohan's next transformation won't matter?

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