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Power Khan posted:Amazing how loving stupid this is. It used to be. Anymore I just come to expect it.
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Declan MacManus posted:meghan mccain’s political ideology is just as spotty and incoherent as dear old dad’s with the same end goal of cryptofascism + building/maintaining the legend of john mccain hmm? she seems pretty standard republican/fash, minus the fact that she's okay sitting next to gay people sometimes.
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Mr Interweb posted:hmm? she seems pretty standard republican/fash, minus the fact that she's okay sitting next to gay people sometimes.
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Mr Interweb posted:hmm? she seems pretty standard republican/fash, minus the fact that she's okay sitting next to gay people sometimes.
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CodfishCartographer posted:I lol'd that she's basically saying "If Trump had more left-wing policies I'd vote for him! No, I'm never voting for anyone other than a right-wing candidate, why do you ask?" If Trump was a socialist but only towards white people then he’d win the election in a landslide. White racists cant quite grasp why their boy is mean to everyone and not just brown people and foreigners.
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Hillary 2020 posted:White racists cant quite grasp why their boy is mean to everyone and not just brown people and foreigners. "He must not be aware he's doing it!" *tweets directly at him, believing Trump's going to read it*
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FMguru posted:The technical term for this kind of person is "fiscally conservative but socially liberal" The two are impossible together. To be fiscally conservative you end up supporting racist policies that do way more harm to minorities than sitting next to a black or gay person.
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davidspackage posted:"He must not be aware he's doing it!" those are the ones that really take me by surprise still.
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CodfishCartographer posted:It's like the complete opposite of that "economically republican, socially democrat" mindset I remember seeing fairly often before Trump. I assume it still exists, but most of those people have either gone full Trump or backed off the republican party entirely. Those people exist in the exact same numbers they always did, as a significant minority compared to every other possible combo but not like, TOTALLY absent. They're basically about 10% of the population while the other three corners are 30% each. reignonyourparade has issued a correction as of 07:25 on Jul 25, 2020 |
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Son of Rodney posted:They're basically Calvin's dad, without any of the humor, goodwill, or fed-upness with the rat race. 
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Philthy posted:The two are impossible together. To be fiscally conservative you end up supporting racist policies that do way more harm to minorities than sitting next to a black or gay person. i have some bad news for ya about what liberals actually think about minorities
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Philthy posted:The two are impossible together. To be fiscally conservative you end up supporting racist policies that do way more harm to minorities than sitting next to a black or gay person. I see you have never read the opinion section of the NYT or Guardian and seen how they react when an actual progressive runs compared to when one isn't running. To summarise: when there's no progressive running: "this is a crisis, the vulnerable are suffering" when one is running: "this is a crisis, <candidate> would destroy Britain/the US/your country here"
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I can’t be classist, some of my best employees are poor!
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CommunityEdition posted:I can’t be classist, some of my best employees are poor! You jest, I bet the My Pillow guy says this exact thing by year's end.
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Cerebral Bore posted:i have some bad news for ya about what liberals actually think about minorities "and I love Blacks and Latinos, as long as they don't move next door."
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Cerebral Bore posted:i have some bad news for ya about what liberals actually think about minorities "They're all right as long as they're rich enough"?
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Mr Interweb posted:hmm? she seems pretty standard republican/fash, minus the fact that she's okay sitting next to gay people sometimes. i just meant that there’s no cohesive or unifying ideology behind what she thinks or does, and much like her dad, everything she does is in the name of building the myth of john mccain: maverick while consistently falling on one side of the spectrum (while being slightly nicer to gays and some women sometimes) teeing up on meghan “stolen ‘stolen valor’ valor” mccain is pretty low hanging fruit though but you know what gently caress her anyways
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is Meghan still doing that thing where she keeps talking about GOD, GUNS, FREEDOM, LOVE AMERICA, COWBOYS YEEHAW LOOK AT MY TRUCK despite being a cloistered urban elite child of a billionaire trust fund or has she given up on trying to run for Congress in AZ on a fusion of Trump and her dad?
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CodfishCartographer posted:It's like the complete opposite of that "economically republican, socially democrat" mindset I remember seeing fairly often before Trump. I assume it still exists, but most of those people have either gone full Trump or backed off the republican party entirely. My mother is socially conservative, economically liberal. It’s utterly insane and it owns. She thinks the government should do all kinds of lefty stuff to take of the poor but absolutely despises everyone who isn’t white and straight. She believes all kinds of ridiculous conspiracy theories about homosexuality (which according to her is almost like some form of vampirism) and is real mad about Trump and the Republicans for doing nothing to help the poor. She also rightly sees the Dems as doing little more than paying lip service to the idea of helping the poor. Fortunately she doesn’t vote
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Kit Walker posted:My mother is socially conservative, economically liberal. It’s utterly insane and it owns. She thinks the government should do all kinds of lefty stuff to take of the poor but absolutely despises everyone who isn’t white and straight. She believes all kinds of ridiculous conspiracy theories about homosexuality (which according to her is almost like some form of vampirism) and is real mad about Trump and the Republicans for doing nothing to help the poor. She also rightly sees the Dems as doing little more than paying lip service to the idea of helping the poor. Fortunately she doesn’t vote This post was a bit of a roller coaster.
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silvergoose posted:This post was a bit of a roller coaster. Oh there are so many more layers to it. Several years ago she was totally cool with trans people. Still hated anyone gay, but she decided that trans people were fine because, in her view, their brains just didn’t match their bodies, so it was like someone with a woman’s brain being born in a man’s body. Not a perfect take, but surprisingly enlightened given her opinions on everything else. That’s apparently changed as of a couple years ago, sadly. I mentioned her previous position to her and she now denies ever having said or thought that. I’m convinced she believes this, too, so it’s kinda like she gaslit herself
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Kit Walker posted:Oh there are so many more layers to it. Several years ago she was totally cool with trans people. Still hated anyone gay, but she decided that trans people were fine because, in her view, their brains just didn’t match their bodies, so it was like someone with a woman’s brain being born in a man’s body. Not a perfect take, but surprisingly enlightened given her opinions on everything else. That’s apparently changed as of a couple years ago, sadly. I mentioned her previous position to her and she now denies ever having said or thought that. I’m convinced she believes this, too, so it’s kinda like she gaslit herself I want to watch a movie based on this person. Preferably directed by M. Night Shyamalan.
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If someone is economically liberal (or liberal in any way, really) it means they think corporations should be allowed to freely do whatever they wish.
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reignonyourparade posted:Those people exist in the exact same numbers they always did, as a significant minority compared to every other possible combo but not like, TOTALLY absent. They're basically about 10% of the population while the other three corners are 30% each. Its nowhere near as big as it was like late 80's to 2008-10. Most of those folks have either gone socialist as they've aged, (see many posters on this forum), or just gone full fash. Socially liberal, economic conservative was like the mainstream political viewpoint on this forum 10-15 years ago.
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Kit Walker posted:My mother is socially conservative, economically liberal. It’s utterly insane and it owns. We need to mine this derail a little more. What're her thoughts on Catholics vs Protestants? BLM? Abortion, but tell her whites have more abortions than blacks and usually 7th day Adventists or something, I don't care if it's true but throw a demographic curve ball and see how she catches it.
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Jarf posted:I want to watch a movie based on this person. I’m preeeetty sure she has undiagnosed paranoid schizophrenia on top of all this, so I’ve got no doubt a compelling movie could be made about her. I’m not gonna pitch the script, though GodspeedSphere posted:We need to mine this derail a little more. What're her thoughts on Catholics vs Protestants? BLM? Abortion, but tell her whites have more abortions than blacks and usually 7th day Adventists or something, I don't care if it's true but throw a demographic curve ball and see how she catches it. I don’t really go out of my way to talk to her about politics so I’m not gonna ask her any questions, but she does talk about stuff unprovoked a lot and most of these have answers! She’s Russian Orthodox and doesn’t trust Catholics, thinks they’re all heretical and that the very idea of asking Mary to talk intercede on your behalf to talk to Jesus or the Saints is some bullshit since you should be able to just pray to them directly. I don’t think she has strong feelings about Protestants but I haven’t really asked. She doesn’t like the megachurches, though. I haven’t asked about BLM but she did call me the other day talking about how she’s glad I’m not in the US and implied that she was very spooked by the protests. She absolutely doesn’t understand what they’re about. I don’t think she has an issue with abortion, either Kit Walker has issued a correction as of 21:07 on Jul 25, 2020 |
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At least there's one more dead MAGA chud https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/25/entertainment/regis-philbin-dies/index.html quote:Legendary broadcaster Regis Philbin has died, according to a statement shared by his family on Saturday. He was 88 years old.
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My grandmother is retired, on a fixed income, and the primary caretaker for someone with moderate to serious developmental disabilities. She makes use of a number of government assistance programs - not only for herself, but in general, a distinction that is sadly important in this thread. So of course, she is a single issue voter for the one thing that is absolutely critical to her and dominates all of her political decisions: a flat tax Anyone who promises this she supports, which has lead to her supporting wilder and kookier libertarian candidates over time and she went all in for Trump (even though he never mentioned that issue that I know of? I think it's just escalation from being exposed to brain worms for too long) - damaging her relationships with 90% of our family. Fortunately, I have it on good authority she hasn't been bothered to actually vote for ~20 years.
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That's the lead poisoning talking, sonny
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My mom is a lifelong progressive that voted democrat her whole life, donates to the ACLU, works with Habitat for Humanity, etc. She voted Trump because she has harbored a burning hatred for Hillary since sometime in the mid nineties for unspecified reasons. She was so unhappy when Bernie lost in 2016. She voted Sanders again in 2020, but is perfectly happy to vote Biden. I think the story of 2020 is gonna be that my mom is not all that weird.
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Cerebral Bore posted:i have some bad news for ya about what liberals actually think about minorities tell me how minorities feel about each other
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One More Fat Nerd posted:My mom is a lifelong progressive ... voted Trump even susan sarandon voted for jill stein, sorry but your mom sounds kinda bad, op
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full disclosure tho, my father has gone from progressive/lib to centrist/lib to nowadays i have to carefully explain why something he heard on fox news is wrong, he's aware enough to tell me he watches it bc it's "funny" but i'm p sure it's his major news source aside from counterprogramming i email him. he was enthusiastically for hillary in 2008, reluctantly voted for her in 2016, now he's talking about how he might "have to" vote GOP bc he's scared of socialism. this is a man who has retired comfortably thanks to a pension and supplemental health plan won by his union. at least we both agree biden is too loving old (he liked buttigieg)
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:even susan sarandon voted for jill stein, sorry but your mom sounds kinda bad, op I think it may have been a self-preservation thing more than anything else. Having President Hillary probably would've driven her to a rage induced nervous breakdown. She hates Trump because of things he says and does, but her feeling towards Hillary is much more visceral, like, she'd get upset at at a picture of Clinton eating a cheeseburger.
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Giant Isopod posted:So of course, she is a single issue voter for the one thing that is absolutely critical to her and dominates all of her political decisions: a flat tax Convince her that a flat tax isn’t flat enough and that a head tax is better. Every person pays the same dollar amount regardless of income.
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One More Fat Nerd posted:I think it may have been a self-preservation thing more than anything else. Having President Hillary probably would've driven her to a rage induced nervous breakdown. She hates Trump because of things he says and does, but her feeling towards Hillary is much more visceral, like, she'd get upset at at a picture of Clinton eating a cheeseburger. your mom sounds unwell
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House GOP’s pleas to Republican National Committee for financial help go unanswered House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) has been prodding the RNC to write a check to the National Republican Congressional Committee — a request he has made multiple times. McCarthy specifically has asked Jared Kushner, President Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser, to make a financial commitment to the House GOP, according to several officials familiar with the discussions, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to freely describe private conversations. But Kushner, who oversees such decisions and has a greater say than RNC Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel, has refused thus far, the officials say. While the Trump campaign and the RNC have brought in record amounts of money, some Trump officials see donating to the House as a wasteful investment as the GOP’s chances of reclaiming the majority sharply deteriorate. ... “The campaign just wants the money. . . . They don’t care about the House — it’s not their concern,” one official close with the Trump campaign said. “When you’ve been working in politics for years, and you understand it’s a team sport, you kind of look at these things a little differently. I don’t think they see it that way.” ... The rejection has angered some Republicans, many of whom believe the president has a duty to help the party — not just himself. Those familiar with the dispute, who like others spoke on the condition of anonymity to talk frankly, blame Kushner for failing to understand the importance of unity and working together. The refusal to help the NRCC is all the more striking because House Republicans in safe seats recently contributed to the president’s reelection, making donations of tens of thousands of dollars at the request of his campaign. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSrOXvoNLwg&t=199s
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:House GOP’s pleas to Republican National Committee for financial help go unanswered How can they possibly be this loving blind to what he is. Or is this laying the ground for how Trump was never a true Republican? Wait why would they bother to lay the ground, they'll just say it no matter what.
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