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Timby posted:Generations wound up getting $5 million more to re-shoot the ending at the last minute because of disastrous screenings. What was the original ending? 
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Hipster_Doofus posted:What was the original ending? Soran shoots Kirk in the back
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Sep 10, 2017 22:50
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Audiences hate fun things huh
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Hipster_Doofus posted:What was the original ending? Kirk wrestles with Soran, gets the padd, decloaks the launcher. Soran wakes up, shoots Kirk in the back. Picard comes over and shoots Soran. Instead of his prolonged death, Picard thanks Kirk, who says the "least I could do..." line and carks it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enBoGjEr2H8 It tested horribly with audiences. Sherry Lansing went to Berman and said, "You have three-fourths of a movie, but you don't have an ending. Here's $5 million, go fix it."
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Sep 10, 2017 23:46
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Mister Kingdom posted:Was Sisko's brief interaction with Kirk from "Trials and Tribble-ations" ever brought up in any of the books? One of Shatner's novels briefly mentions Sisko in the context of him kicking rear end in the Dominion War and something about how Kirk seeing an image of Sisko solved the mystery of a lieutenant who had mysteriously disappeared off the Enterprise in the 23rd century. It's like two sentences.
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If any of my friends here see me trolling in the Orville thread, please forgive me.
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Didn't watch it and probably won't but encouraged that the Star Trek formula can live outside Star Trek.
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Sep 11, 2017 03:49
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Lol how many times did plucky comic relief character Worf try to kill himself in TNG?
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Sep 11, 2017 04:19
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Trip report: DS9 season 5, episode 5 "The Assignment" This is it? This is the one everyone talks about where Keiko is possessed by a pah-wraith and is nicer to O'Brien? I don't know what you guys were watching but her public face seemed like normal Keiko. Yeah, there was the thwarted expectation at the beginning that she'd be upset about the bonsai plants, but that's it, and it was private. The rest of it, Julian was relieved but not suspiciously so when she wasn't upset with him, and everyone thought it was perfectly normal and routine for Keiko to throw him a birthday party. They have their issues like any married couple, she's maybe a little bit of a caricature in general, as a foil to O'Brien and Bashir, but she's not some harridan. Episode 6 "Trials and Tribbleations" As soon as I saw the Netflix preview with Sisko in a gold uniform I knew what that meant. Had a great big ol' grin on my face most of the episode. I was surprised to see that the greenscreen didn't hold up quite as well as I remembered; some shots were really good but most were just slightly dodgy. The motion tracking wasn't quite there. Of course my TV is like four times the size of what I had when this first aired. Dax is pretty transparently the staff insert character in this one. "I lived through this time; it's hard not to want to be a part of it again." And now here we are 20+ years later than even that, and still trying to recapture it, with varying levels of success.
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Sep 11, 2017 04:28
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Arglebargle III posted:Lol how many times did plucky comic relief character Worf try to kill himself in TNG? 2 or 3 just in the episodes I've watched.
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Sep 11, 2017 04:29
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Orville made me kinda wish they were just doing this same show and same cast without the dick jokes.
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Sep 11, 2017 04:31
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Mister Kingdom posted:Was Sisko's brief interaction with Kirk from "Trials and Tribble-ations" ever brought up in any of the books? I did a skim through Memory Beta, the crummy wiki for Trek EU stuff, and as far as I can tell it's never come up again. On a related note, while Jeb's been giving us his TNG commentary I've been skimming MB to see how many guest crewmen and whatnot have reappeared in the various books. So far it's been less that I'd expected, believe it or not.
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Sep 11, 2017 04:52
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Please spoil whether Orville is good in this thread without spoiling anything else because I'm not gonna be able to watch it for a while and I don't want to delve into that thread without watching it
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cheetah7071 posted:Please spoil whether Orville is good in this thread without spoiling anything else because I'm not gonna be able to watch it for a while and I don't want to delve into that thread without watching it It's okay.
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cheetah7071 posted:Please spoil whether Orville is good in this thread without spoiling anything else because I'm not gonna be able to watch it for a while and I don't want to delve into that thread without watching it Tunicate posted:It's okay.
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MillennialVulcan posted:Orville made me kinda wish they were just doing this same show and same cast without the dick jokes. Yeah, I just posted something to this effect in the Orville thread. The whole show felt really, aggressively... okay.
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Sep 11, 2017 05:55
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Timby posted:Kirk wrestles with Soran, gets the padd, decloaks the launcher. Soran wakes up, shoots Kirk in the back. Picard comes over and shoots Soran. Instead of his prolonged death, Picard thanks Kirk, who says the "least I could do..." line and carks it. It does pretty much suck. Soren jumping up and down is pretty silly, and frankly at that point he's unarmed and helpless, there wasn't a good reason for Picad to shoot him since Picard had Soren's gun. I can see the test audience's point.
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cheetah7071 posted:Please spoil whether Orville is good in this thread without spoiling anything else because I'm not gonna be able to watch it for a while and I don't want to delve into that thread without watching it I liked it. I think toning down some of the rougher humor would work towards its benefit, but yeah it's still very watchable and entertaining.
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Sep 11, 2017 05:59
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Generations was so bad. Why does the old and fat captain team up with the old and skinny captain to punch the old skinny villain while everyone else crashes the ship? Why not literally anything else?
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Randallteal posted:From the press release: Well, that suggests my assumption could be right. Time and Again is the third episode of Voyager.
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Sep 11, 2017 06:15
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Because one of the weird rules of the universe is that for every great Malcom McDowell role he has to do three garbage ones. (This math doesn't hold out past the mid-2000s unfortunately.)
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Sep 11, 2017 06:16
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Hipster_Doofus posted:What was the original ending? I kind of appreciated the bridge was on the captain.
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Orv posted:Because one of the weird rules of the universe is that for every great Malcom McDowell role he has to do three garbage ones. (This math doesn't hold out past the mid-2000s unfortunately.) McDowell is great in Generations though  "They say time is the FIYA in which we BURN!"
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Sep 11, 2017 07:15
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Timby posted:Kirk wrestles with Soran, gets the padd, decloaks the launcher. Soran wakes up, shoots Kirk in the back. Picard comes over and shoots Soran. Instead of his prolonged death, Picard thanks Kirk, who says the "least I could do..." line and carks it. I have to wonder if it was purely based on the response cards (which, in a way, would be even more impressive if it was just "yeah 95% of the test audience said the movie sucked because of the ending, holy poo poo") or if the test audience was audibly losing their poo poo in the theater and the execs were worried there'd be riots if the original ending got a general release.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:McDowell is great in Generations though He's great, he almost always is. Soren not so much.
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Sep 11, 2017 08:43
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I've said before, but if Kirk and the D both had to die by studio mandate in Generations, it should've been Kirk in the big chair riding the D to its destruction in a suicide run to save the next-gen crew and also the galaxy. George Kirk style.
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Sep 11, 2017 10:48
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Even Patrick Stewart couldn't sell the idea that Picard would get Kirk's help to do the dumbest time travel ever.
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Sep 11, 2017 12:36
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Arglebargle III posted:Lol how many times did plucky comic relief character Worf try to kill himself in TNG? "Worf contemplates ritual suicide when the crew discovers his collection of 'dishonourable' magazines" was my favourite TNG Season 8 tweet.
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cheetah7071 posted:Please spoil whether Orville is good in this thread without spoiling anything else because I'm not gonna be able to watch it for a while and I don't want to delve into that thread without watching it The Star Trek parts are good, the humor parts are jarring and hit or miss. Mostly miss. The way I'd put it is that it's like someone who's used to writing 22 minute gag cartoons switches over to writing 22 minute sitcoms and then suddenly has to write 44 minute dramedy. It feels like Galaxy Quest mixed with TNG, but it's definitely not there yet. Hopefully it sorts itself out and Fox doesn't eat its young like it's Zeus.
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Sep 11, 2017 15:33
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Arglebargle III posted:Even Patrick Stewart couldn't sell the idea that Picard would get Kirk's help to do the dumbest time travel ever. obviously he didnt know kirk would die, but a bunch of people still got murdered on that space station and he just didn't care
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Sep 11, 2017 15:38
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Yeah, The Orville was solid if unspectacular, with a cool episode resolution. I think the characters could be interesting on their own terms. It has potential, it just depends on whether they lean in on characters/exploration or the jokes.
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Sep 11, 2017 16:18
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I still think what trek fans need is a climate change cyberpunk future that turns out good and if that isn't trek then fine. Spoon Runner if you will.
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Sep 11, 2017 16:26
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Arglebargle III posted:I still think what trek fans need is a climate change cyberpunk future that turns out good and if that isn't trek then fine. Spoon Runner if you will. I really wanted Almost Human to be that show  . There's a cyberpunk vacuum in entertainment and Westworld almost fills it but not really at all.
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Sep 11, 2017 16:29
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We follow the residents of a hi-tek future biodome which is the new hope for peace and return to Edenic paradise in a storm-torn flooded hell-world.
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Sep 11, 2017 16:30
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I'll be watching Orville later so I'm in the same boat of wanting to know if it's ok without being spoiled. It sounds kinda rough, with definite room for improvement, but I'm still pretty jazzed. American Dad started out terribly, but now it's one of my favourite shows. Also: TNG.
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The_Doctor posted:I'll be watching Orville later so I'm in the same boat of wanting to know if it's ok without being spoiled. It sounds kinda rough, with definite room for improvement, but I'm still pretty jazzed. The visuals and sets are amazing (aside from one CG effect that looked kind of bad). The characters are hit and miss, but mostly have some room for interesting growth. The story was passable, especially for a pilot where you have to get things established quickly. The humor was... fine. In a few scenes it messed up the pacing, but the throwaway one-liners mostly worked. I'd say it feels like Galaxy Quest, but a bit less funny and with (so far) less memorable characters?
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MillennialVulcan posted:Yeah, The Orville was solid if unspectacular, with a cool episode resolution. I think the characters could be interesting on their own terms. It has potential, it just depends on whether they lean in on characters/exploration or the jokes. I thought pretty much the same, and to me it felt more like a TNG/Enterprise mix. The effects are definitely top-notch, although ship design seems a little blasé. Adrienne Palicki is definitely super easy on the eyes, although her role is definitely a new twist in the genre. I kept waiting for the bad guy aliens to demand Ketracel White. The opening scene was a little bit much, especially the alien cum part.  But that's McFarlane humor for ya.Why do all the Hey, no transporters. Welp there goes a ton of really gross jokes McFarlane had in mind. I bet. Wow, Lt. Paris is directing the second episode, and Brannon Braga the third. I already know which episode will be better 
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Sep 11, 2017 16:56
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Binary Badger posted:Hey, no transporters. Welp there goes a ton of really gross jokes McFarlane had in mind. I bet. Not yet, at least.
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I'm tired of people saying "Into Darkness" when I ask what their favorite trek is. We are in the mirrorverse guys.
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Mister Kingdom posted:Not yet, at least. I just want someone to finally acknowledge in-canon that there are no bathrooms on starships because transporters help you save a few extra minutes a day.
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