Ominous Woosh posted:

The Citizens are revolting.

Long time lurker first time poster. Keep up the good work thread goonies.

Ominous Woosh posted:

The Citizens are revolting.

Long time lurker first time poster. Keep up the good work thread goonies.

Quavers posted:

https://twitter.com/Lord_Mandalore/status/1165680573148540929

Quavers posted:

Also: look Beet, you're famous

Erenthal posted:

good job beet, you're even famous in sweden now

Sabreseven posted:

I adjusted the image slightly for clarity.

Scruffpuff posted:

For example, I recently grabbed Titanfall 2 for 5 bucks. What a scam. Game didn't crash once, I didn't have to break the security permissions on my system folders, I never clipped through anything, everything worked smoothly, I never stretched into a Cronenberg horror, enemy AI functioned, just literally everything in that game worked. 5 dollars. This is not how game development is done. The correct approach is to charge hundreds, even thousands, gently caress it even tens of thousands of dollars, for the privilege of watching a hundreds-strong team fail to implement almost anything for the better part of a decade, and what little is implemented is impossibly broken all the way down to its roots.

There are a lot of what I would call "pretenders" out there (meaning anyone not CIG) and I'm getting tired of getting taken for a ride every time I try to buy a game. You know who the scam companies are because they'll have booths at "E3" or at "Gamescon" or any number of fake industry events they make for no other reason than to pull the wool over the eyes of an unsuspecting public. You have "games" like Hellblade using a talented person who isn't even using an #actress hashtag, and the complicit games media gives it high marks. CIG is the only company with the sense to put in a talentless wooden plank, who happens to be married to the CEO and imagines this will provide Hollywood inroads, as a prominent character, and that makes CIG the only actual game development company in history.

I'm sick of fake games everywhere. I've been banging this drum since Space War came out in 1962, and told everyone that would listen that 6 years later there would appear a star over Redwood City and that would herald the creator of the only real game ever made. Nobody listened and now we have a multi-billion dollar industry peddling vaporware that does little more than run as intended and provide entertainment to the consumer.

No more. It ends now 2019 2020 20??

Ominous Woosh posted:

The Citizens are revolting.

Long time lurker first time poster. Keep up the good work thread goonies.

Quavers posted:

PC Gamer: This new mine-laying Star Citizen spaceship costs $675, and you can't have it

Virtual Captain posted:

lol they got an angry e-mail from Chris. Spill the beans

Daztek posted:

The pcgamer article is back

Sabreseven posted:

Linked, looks like they've added a bit

https://www.pcgamer.com/uk/this-new-mine-laying-star-citizen-spaceship-announced/

Erenthal posted:

good job beet, you're even famous in sweden now

Terminally Bored posted:

Don't know if you guys saw it, but there was a thread on that dinner posted on resetera and SC defenders are getting eviscerated there:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/ye...75-ship.137162/

Quavers posted:

his nibs posted:

Welcome! Do you have any pets you can post?

Scruffpuff posted:

Little zinger at the end. "Oh, we're not technically correct, eh Chris? Let's just get in there and make sure we fix that..."

Erenthal posted:

good job beet, you're even famous in sweden now

Colostomy Bag posted:

lol, just noticed Nicholson in the picture.

Scruffpuff posted:

I've thought of the Daikatana and DNF comparisons before, and they are apt comparisons, but there's also something missing. In Daikatana's case, there was a lot of rockstar ego going on, bad communication, it's all out there to research. However, John Romero did know how to make a game, just not a good one. The developers there knew what they were doing. Of course it wasn't good but it more or less functioned as intended. Except maybe the AI. DNF was just in a ridiculous development hell, there was nothing really stopping it except they were the opposite of CIG - every time they had a new idea, they threw out everything they had and started over. Eventually it just languished for years (I have no evidence but I'm personally convinced they actually just stopped development) until another company came in out of nowhere and said "OK guys do you want us to make a DNF game or not." In that sense DNF wasn't really in development all that time, because in the end it was all tossed and a totally separate company made their own game using that license.

Star Citizen was coming along until about 2014. Something happened with Chris and he went all the way off the rails, they lost actual game developers, and now the whole thing is a giant broken model viewer being massaged by fresh college grads. Unlike the above two examples, the people at CIG have no idea how to make a game and have no shipped titles (except Erin and technically Chris if you go back far enough.) Chris still thinks "3D models + motion-capture = game" so there's no chance for a release beyond a series of cutscenes linked together by slow hallway navigation, reminiscent of Myst. Which frankly is the era he seems intent on bringing everyone back to.

Hav posted:

Quick reminder that by the end of this year, Disney will have released a trilogy of Star Wars movies in the same amount of time it took CiG to....fully staff their offices?

Hell, throw in Rogue One on the pile.

stingtwo posted:

The thing is Ion storm also started with people that had no experience in the industry outside the founders and they managed to release 6 games in their 9 year history. People tend to ignore that Daikatana was just another game that failed to sell by Ion storm, had their other games sold well, John Romero himself could have fixed some of the issues.

The inexpenience thing didn't come into play for me, Goldeneye; one of the best console shooters was made with 1st timers. But then CIG decided they had no-one else and decided to make them leads.

I don't think we would care so much had CIG also been working on other games in the meantime and was working on SC without taking peoples money. Oh this Wing Commander thing Chris wants to make, yeah what else are these devs working on.

The thing that I keep questioning is why is this still going and why this game. Wing Commander for all the poo poo we pile on with ben lesnicks obsession with it, was a good game, it was never the best game of the time. Even take freelancer, good game but didn't sell well and was pretty much forgotten by everyone.

What has made people come back into gaming after 10 years and go "I want to spend $10,000 on this game." ?

Jobbo_Fett posted:

And Solo

Gosts posted:

The shill squad is almost correct when they say that goons are "Just haters mad because they aren't developing the game the way they want"

You just need to cut off "the way they want" from that

E: Taxxe, my cat, sweetpea

Scruffpuff posted:

I played WCII and WCIII on the 3DO and I enjoyed them enough at the time, they were simple arcade shooters. I didn't care about the story. I think WCII was probably the better game, but WCIII introduced the 3D models, whereas WCII used 2D models that swapped out as your relative position changed. A decent enough trick at the time. What set the games apart, for me, were the different wingman personalities - it wasn't just what they were telling you on coms, but how they flew and fought - each wingman was entirely different. You could turn off their names and still know which wingman you had purely on behavior. What ruined WCIII was the introduction of FMV cutscenes and too much emphasis on what Chris mistakenly believes is "story."

I think the Tie Fighter mission briefings were probably the pinnacle of the genre. "This is your mission, here is some expensive computer equipment we're gonna show you the mission directives in 3D, now get out there" and within 1 minute of launch something goes sideways and you're forced to improvise. That never happened in the WC games that I can recall. In fact I don't remember anything aside from the basics of combat. They were fine, but not great.

Sabreseven posted:

Having fun with this:

Bofast posted:

Another nice thing about the Tie Fighter missions were those bonus objectives that the game didn't even tell you about unless you specifically achieved them.

Sabreseven posted:

Linked, looks like they've added a bit

https://www.pcgamer.com/uk/this-new-mine-laying-star-citizen-spaceship-announced/

Dementropy posted:

Dementropy posted: