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El Golden Goose posted:EG plays pretty well but the drafts... they really need some help on that front. Bring ppd back and give cr1t a drafting bootcamp or something EG drafts as a team mostly.
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Riki is like literally in every single solo queue game now thanks Kiev Major
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EG is going out in the first round to ex-DC for sure. I wonder who leaves when that happens. Also a Wings-OG matchup might have been nice if Wings wasn't playing like trash.
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They were kinda struggling for a while but the mess with their organization and need to get cut off to become Team Random probably killed any remaining morale.
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I will miss the wings gaming, but wouldn't be surprised if somebody there lands at IG or wherever Burning goes next.
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Virtus Pro being seeded so high blows my mind. Blast from the past. IG.V is close to what I'd predict though. They're probably top tier when they face chinese teams, but they seem slow to adapt to western styles of play.
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Reminder that the best player in the world isn't at Kiev https://clips.twitch.tv/SillyMistyPhoneHeyGuys mikeraskol posted:EG is going out in the first round to ex-DC for sure. I wonder who leaves when that happens. Wings might be 1-3 but they've been playing well even in their losses. Only team to give VP a run for their money. I just think they are back to their extremely swingy games they had a year ago where they would win one tournament and then finish last in the next.
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GOOD TIMES ON METH posted:Riki is like literally in every single solo queue game now thanks Kiev Major i know i'm spamming him a lot 
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Kainser posted:Reminder that the best player in the world isn't at Kiev I don't get it, is bamboe playing the pudge or something?
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I didn't even realize that the major was happening until last night, has anything interesting happened?
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funmanguy posted:I don't get it, is bamboe playing the pudge or something? That is BSJ GOD how dare u
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Elyv posted:I didn't even realize that the major was happening until last night, has anything interesting happened? Everyone buys midas. Team Secret is somehow undefeated. Thats about it
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Elyv posted:I didn't even realize that the major was happening until last night, has anything interesting happened? iG is very very good. Somehow, Secret is better.
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Apr 26, 2017 16:23
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NIP/Effect game 2 is the worst "professional" Dota that I have ever seen (actually that game where ROTK drafted five melee heroes was worse). It's also some of the most hilarious ratting that I've ever seen. Like for some reason chasing a fleeing SF cost NIP both their Razor and their Dark Seer, and their Monkey King died somewhere when I wasn't looking, and the other two were dead when the battle began so the end result was an effective team wipe, so Effect sends a lone Earth Spirit to knock on a 5HP barracks, which draws a buyback from Razor. I don't think an old Fnatic reunion is happening anytime soon unless OG decides to start playing in low prizepool online tourneys or something without a direct invite.
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Apr 26, 2017 18:02
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is this stage a BO1?
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Looke posted:is this stage a BO1? everything in Kiev from now is a bo3 until the bo5 grand final
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Apr 26, 2017 20:05
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Yeah its BO3 but its single elim just like Boston, so if someone loses then they're completely out.
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Apr 26, 2017 20:09
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Martian Manfucker posted:where are vods being posted that aren't twitch replays https://www.reddit.com/r/dotavods usually has links for both twitch and youtube and is spoilerino free
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Apr 26, 2017 21:16
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TI7 should have a round robin group stage and then a double elim bracket with the grand finals staying bo3 but losers has to win twice to win the tournament. The typical TI bracket favors the losing team and gives almost no advantage to the team on the winner's side of the bracket. This is dumb and bad for competition.
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Apr 26, 2017 21:48
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Sampatrick posted:TI7 should have a round robin group stage and then a double elim bracket with the grand finals staying bo3 but losers has to win twice to win the tournament. The typical TI bracket favors the losing team and gives almost no advantage to the team on the winner's side of the bracket. This is dumb and bad for competition. Fuckin ewwwww
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sugar free jazz posted:Fuckin ewwwww Why?
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Aside from the indeterminate length final?
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Glory to Italia!
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Sampatrick posted:Why? That works fine for online but not for a time limited venue in an area that may also have a curfew for events like this.
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Apr 26, 2017 22:00
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Sampatrick posted:Why? Because that works in fighting games where the length of the match is, max, less than 5 minutes. It does not work in a game where a match can take anywhere from 20 - 120 minutes.
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ILL Machina posted:Aside from the indeterminate length final? How is it significantly different from a bo5? That might be over in 3 games or 5 games. This way it might be over in 2 games or 6 games. It's not really a significantly larger increase compared to what grand finals looks like nowadays. The spread is slightly larger but not by a massive amount. EDIT: Y'all seem like you're seriously exaggerating the increase in time you'd get from an increase of at most a single game. It's not that hard at all to budget an additional hour for an additional game. shades of blue fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Apr 26, 2017 |
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Sampatrick posted:How is it significantly different from a bo5? That might be over in 3 games or 5 games. This way it might be over in 2 games or 6 games. It's not really a significantly larger increase compared to what grand finals looks like nowadays. The spread is slightly larger but not by a massive amount. yeah I definitely have been reading you wrong...your saying two best of threes for the final?
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ILL Machina posted:They can't bank on that random assumption, though, and key arena would kick them out eventually. What? On what random assumption? You know for a fact that a double bo3 is at most a single game longer than a bo5. That isn't a huge increase and certainly it wouldn't cause Key Arena to kick them out. You are aware that Valve budgets approximately one hour for each game as it stands, right? The one hour difference is certainly not going to get them kicked out. Valve rents Key Arena for days not hours; they really don't give a gently caress about how long they stay as long as they don't break any city laws (hint: they will not because they aren't staying until like eleven or midnight and Seattle isn't going to care if it's before then). EDIT: Yeah, two bo3s. It works better for advantaging the team from winners instead of losers which makes way more sense in terms of competition.
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Sampatrick posted:The typical TI bracket favors the losing team and gives almost no advantage to the team on the winner's side of the bracket. This is dumb and bad for competition. The single elim losers bracket is pretty intense. If you win your first match you don't have to play as many games/opponents to win. That's an advantage, right?
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The winner bracket team already has the advantage of not having to play two series on the grand final day. I've heard the "making the loser have to win two bo3s to win the tournament" before and I still think it sounds like complete garbage from a viewer perspective.
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TI1: Upper bracket won TI2: Lower bracket won TI3: Upper bracket won TI4: Upper bracket won TI5: Lower bracket won TI6: Upper bracket won "Favors the losing team."
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ILL Machina posted:The single elim losers bracket is pretty intense. If you win your first match you don't have to play as many games/opponents to win. That's an advantage, right? No, playing more games is actually an advantage for the team in losers. It means they get more experience playing against top tier teams in the tournament. In terms of prize money, winners is def favored but in terms of probability to win losers is probably favored assuming both are of roughly equal skill. Additionally, losers gets to have guaranteed prep for Grand Finals whereas winners can't guarantee prep for the team coming from losers. Think about how EG got to prep out really hard against CDEC at ti5 but CDEC didn't know who they were playing do they couldn't really do the same thing. By switching the format to a double bo3, you give some advantage back to the team coming from winners.
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a $10m grand final with a runtime shorter than A New Hope sounds not every enjoyable, in this troper's opinion
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One of the problems with having a double BO3 for the GF games is if the winners bracket team is dominant the whole tournament will likely end on an underwhelming 2-0 BO3. The last 3 TIs have at least ended 3-1. It seems very rare for a team to ever win a BO5 3-0.
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Sampatrick posted:No, playing more games is actually an advantage for the team in losers. It means they get more experience playing against top tier teams in the tournament. In terms of prize money, winners is def favored but in terms of probability to win losers is probably favored assuming both are of roughly equal skill. Additionally, losers gets to have guaranteed prep for Grand Finals whereas winners can't guarantee prep for the team coming from losers. Newbee played just two matches to enter the TI4 grand final on the first day of the main event, and went two days without competition before facing Vici, who played nearly the whole gauntlet. They smoked Vici in anti-climactic fashion. (I get where he's coming from, it's the same sort of opinion as the sports fan that says that playoffs are bad because sometimes a less deserving team wins the World Series, so all we need to do is remove them and expand the regular season to 200 games and have one series between the teams with the two highest winning percentages. These people are usually more concerned about making sure the people most deserving of being called "the best" win that they forget that this is supposed to be an exciting spectator event.) Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 22:32 on Apr 26, 2017 |
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TI7 finals should be a BO7 (duh), plus formalwear and bikini rounds
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Sampatrick posted:TI7 should have a round robin group stage and then a double elim bracket with the grand finals staying bo3 but losers has to win twice to win the tournament. The typical TI bracket favors the losing team and gives almost no advantage to the team on the winner's side of the bracket. This is dumb and bad for competition. i too want to stay at the key arena for a million hours
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Majuju posted:bEEkEEnEE rounds A man can dream...
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I don't think that balance of Grand Finals matters when one team is clearly the best team at the tournament. If you have a tier 0 team and some tier 1 teams, the tier 0 team will win almost all the time. I'm mostly concerned where you have several tier 1 teams that are close to evenly matched. At TI3, Na'Vi almost beat Alliance and I think a lot of that is because Na'Vi had the time to prep for Alliance but Alliance couldn't do the same. I think in situations like that the team from winners should get some advantage to make up for that. Also, TI4 was boring as gently caress as a bo5 anyway so a dominant team will be boring in grand finals anyway most of the time. Also, a single game isn't as bad as y'all think. I also think it's better from a spectator point of view. Game five can be super exciting for a bo5, but with a double bo3 you can get a super excited game three and also a super exciting game six. If you've ever watched a fgc tournament, you'll know what I'm talking about. Double elimination grand finals actually increase the hype by a ton imo. shades of blue fucked around with this message at 22:36 on Apr 26, 2017 |
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Sampatrick posted:Also, a single game isn't as bad as y'all think. Fwiw, I think a few of us thought you meant they had to win two sequential games to win. Hadn't heard of the double Bo3 myself.
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Oh good time for bracket reset discussion. In a FG tourney a bracket reset makes sense. In a game like Dota 2 or CS:GO it's a bit trickier. Given how grueling a Dota 2 match can be, your upper bracket advantage should be more rest, prep and scout time of your opponents. Simply playing a Bo3 (LB final) and then a Bo5 grand final is huge in terms of mental stamina for the team coming up from the LB. I used to want a 1 map advantage to UB team but I've since changed my opinion now that the scheduling of double elim valve tourneys have stabilized after that awful Newbee TI win.
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