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AlmightyPants posted:She can make so much money, both for WWE and herself that you would actually have to want to hate making money to sabotage her on the main roster. I really, really hope that HHH picks her as his hill to die on, because he'd be foolish not to. As much time, money and effort as they've spent trying to make Roman Reigns the next John Cena, they have the next John Cena in Bayley. The only differences are that she's female and everyone loves her. I'm not afraid of them actively trying to sabotage her so much as I am afraid that Vince/Dunn don't know what to do with a woman who isn't either Playboy-model pretty or someone they can sell as uncommonly large (i.e. Chyna, Kharma, to some extent Tamina). gently caress, even Nattie got saddled with some "ugly duckling" nonsense for awhile before she busted out the dominatrix gear. The other problem is that her gimmick is like pure whitemeat babyface and that traditionally has had problems getting over on the main roster, whether men or women. It works down in NXT where you have the hero's journey of the underdog clawing and scratching her way up to the top, but we all know women (or men who aren't in the upper card) rarely get that kind of nuance on the main show. Even if they don't actively try to screw her gimmick, it's too easy to see the nightmare scenario of her trapped in a feud for a month with Nikki Bella calling her ugly or whatever until no one gives a poo poo anymore.
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CombineThresher posted:To the point of suggesting that apes evolved into humans because they ate tons of mushrooms. That's like Brian Kendrick levels of stupid. Hallucinogens and other mind altering substances were probably a pretty big part of how a lot of early human cultures evolved and likely had an impact on how humans view the world but I don't think even Thomas McKenna thinks it literally went from ape->mushrooms->human
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Oct 11, 2015 19:42
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I dunno man the first time I ate mushrooms I told my friends that I was the king of the snakes so maybe sydal knows what he's talking about
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Oct 11, 2015 20:16
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StarkRavingMad posted:I'm not afraid of them actively trying to sabotage her so much as I am afraid that Vince/Dunn don't know what to do with a woman who isn't either Playboy-model pretty or someone they can sell as uncommonly large (i.e. Chyna, Kharma, to some extent Tamina). gently caress, even Nattie got saddled with some "ugly duckling" nonsense for awhile before she busted out the dominatrix gear. Maybe the best thing to do is not have her introduced as a big deal. Just a quiet debut on Superstars or Main Event. Then as she picks up wins and momentum, Smackdown and finally Raw. Part of the reason why the current main roster thing is such a disaster is they introduced the 3 new women as big deals from NXT, told us they are good and we should like them, then rarely gave them matches where they could be good or the time to develop characters we could like. Sasha Banks is an instant star the moment she enters the arena as The Boss. Bayley needs to be built.
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Oct 11, 2015 23:59
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AlmightyPants posted:Bayley needs to be built. Ok so we can all agree that she's hosed as far as main roster is concerned, right?
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Oct 12, 2015 00:02
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Jerusalem posted:I knew it already going in, but I was still kind of taken aback listening to the latest Talking Shop when it became clear just how much Matt Sydal LOVES drugs. I'm not surprised by anything after his AOW where he talks about going to the Amazon and trying ayahuasca and it want strong enough for him so he tried some other even stronger dissociative drink.
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StarkRavingMad posted:I'm not afraid of them actively trying to sabotage her so much as I am afraid that Vince/Dunn don't know what to do with a woman who isn't either Playboy-model pretty or someone they can sell as uncommonly large (i.e. Chyna, Kharma, to some extent Tamina). gently caress, even Nattie got saddled with some "ugly duckling" nonsense for awhile before she busted out the dominatrix gear. Again, Bryan. Bryan Danielson in WWE is like THE whitest white-meat babyface ever. As is John Cena. Their characters are 'average guy who is very good wrestleman and fights against The Man' and 'literally Superman'. It doesn't work to have 40 of them, but if you do ONE, it gets over fine. On the other hand, you're absolutely right that they seem to have no idea what to do with a woman that isn't a Maxim-model in look or character. Even in cases where that IS their sex appeal. Paige and AJ only just about managed to sidestep it, and even they have had to glam up a little more than they had been once on the main roster. Bayley's even worse in that regard because her appeal relies on her not being sexualised at all.
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Oct 12, 2015 00:05
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Exactly, her appeal lies in her being a great underdog and a brilliant wrestler. There's nothing in the WWE system outside NXT that should give anyone any hope at all that she'll be handled well if she gets called up. She'll be put into a feud with the Bellas and called ugly, and she'll have scripted promos where she'll say "Oh yeah? Well, YOU'RE UGLY!" as a comeback. The Bellas will then say to her face, "Say it to my face bitch!", after she actually says it to their face. Then she'll be the "crazy chick" because that's the only characterisation they have for women in the WWE. Then she'll get an incontinence gimmick or something. Then she'll get disillusioned and quit. All of this because Vincent Kennedy McMahon is a millionaire who should be a billionaire, rather make a nickel his own way than a dollar someone else's etc etc. All of this has happened before, all of this will happen again.
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Oct 12, 2015 00:12
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Anyone who watches NXT and quotes CM Punk is wrong pretty much by default.
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Oct 12, 2015 00:20
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I can make blanket statements too: anyone who thinks that the way a woman is handled in NXT will have any relevance to the way they are handled when called up to the main roster is delusional. Grima Beavertooth will get into Vince's ear and poison her from the start.
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Oct 12, 2015 00:27
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Well I mean you're trying to make a point about Vince not getting how to make money while quoting a guy who went "It's not like I matter, the kinds of people who will quote me will give WWE money no matter what" and proving him right by watching NXT.
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Great White Hope posted:Well I mean you're trying to make a point about Vince not getting how to make money while quoting a guy who went "It's not like I matter, the kinds of people who will quote me will give WWE money no matter what" and proving him right by watching NXT. I haven't had a Network subscription since the Royal Rumble this year. If there's a match up on youtube, I'll watch it, and there were matches up on youtube etc, so I watched them. Memento fucked around with this message at 00:57 on Oct 12, 2015 |
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Oct 12, 2015 00:43
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Beef Jerky Robot posted:I dunno man the first time I ate mushrooms I told my friends that I was the king of the snakes so maybe sydal knows what he's talking about I sat down on the beach and told a lady making beads that she was beautiful and perfect. Everyone should take mushrooms once.
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Oct 12, 2015 01:07
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PUNKS DIET SODA posted:I sat down on the beach and told a lady making beads that she was beautiful and perfect. they really are great
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CombineThresher posted:To the point of suggesting that apes evolved into humans because they ate tons of mushrooms. That's like Brian Kendrick levels of stupid. Sounds like he listens to a lot of the Joe Rogan podcast
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Oct 12, 2015 05:11
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CombineThresher posted:To the point of suggesting that apes evolved into humans because they ate tons of mushrooms. That's like Brian Kendrick levels of stupid. Isn't this a Bill Hicks bit?
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Oct 12, 2015 05:20
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Beef Jerky Robot posted:they really are great i sat on a balcony overlooking a lake with jesus and havana bob for about thirty minutes and imagined i was on a bayou, it was cool
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Oct 12, 2015 05:49
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free nick diaz
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Oct 12, 2015 05:51
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Oh drat granny with a sick burn on edinsanantonio tonight
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Lid posted:Isn't this a Bill Hicks bit? I'm not sure, but for some reason I got into my head the Louis C.K bit where he talks about his first memory being 3 years old and taking a massive poo poo in his pants while standing out in the street. "The pain was so great that I came online."
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Oct 12, 2015 07:00
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Lid posted:Isn't this a Bill Hicks bit? It's a long standing counter-culture theory. I think Terence McKenna came up with it back in the 60s/70s
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Oct 12, 2015 07:48
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Lid posted:Isn't this a Bill Hicks bit? Found it https://www.facebook.com/MushroomsAreAwesome/videos/555014934558071/
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Oct 12, 2015 07:55
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Lid posted:Isn't this a Bill Hicks bit? It isn't funny or intelligent, so yes.
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Has everyone checked out Pro Wrestling Sheet yet? Details: http://www.cagesideseats.com/wwe/2015/10/10/9493413/former-tmz-producer-launches-pro-wrestling-website-prowrestlingsheet Ryan seems like a nice and well meaning guy but he has already caused issues with his launch day stories. I know we joke around about him but Dave Meltzer is Dave Meltzer for a reason. The more linear showbiz model of Celebrities, their agents, PR planting stories in the media doesn't really work when it comes to Pro Wrestling. It is a nuanced thing but there's a lot more possible unintended consequences, a different psychology etc. In short Ryan Satin doesn't know yet how to disguise sources in a way that works in Pro Wrestling.
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Oct 12, 2015 13:02
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Lid posted:Isn't this a Bill Hicks bit? its actually a thesis published by some anthropologist. Joe Rogan is a big fan of the guy. The actual text talks more about nuts'n'bolts stuff but Joe and Co just hear "HEY MONKEYS ATE MAGIC MUSHROOMS THAT MEANS ITS GOOD FOR YOU" its a psycho chemical reaction that short circuits your brain, not a hotline to god, you dorks.
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Oct 12, 2015 14:52
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"If there was a Hurricane Granny & you could make it hit anywhere in the world, where would you put it?" *HEAVY EDIT* "WHY did we ask that question?"
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Oct 12, 2015 15:29
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dsriggs posted:"If there was a Hurricane Granny & you could make it hit anywhere in the world, where would you put it?" Well that's why we have an edit button!
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dsriggs posted:"If there was a Hurricane Granny & you could make it hit anywhere in the world, where would you put it?" What did they cut?????
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JoshVanValkenburg posted:What did they cut????? Vinny said he shouldn't ask it, they asked Granny the question anyway, there was a super obvious edit, and then Bryan and Vinny going "why did we ask that!?"
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Oct 12, 2015 15:44
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I bet granny said to hit the black folk in New Orleans or something equally racist.
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Holy poo poo, Bryan had never heard of fantasy football. How does that dude live in the world without absorbing anything from larger society?
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JoshVanValkenburg posted:I bet granny said to hit the black folk in New Orleans or something equally racist.  prob
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Charles Gnarwin posted:Holy poo poo, Bryan had never heard of fantasy football. How does that dude live in the world without absorbing anything from larger society? "How Has anyone on this earth not heard of Royce Gracie in 2015? Now who is this Tom Brady geek?"
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Oct 12, 2015 19:20
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"HOW THE HELL DID WE LOSE TO THE COLTS THIS WEEK??" "It was, uhh... the Bengals..." "WHO CARES??"
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When did Bryan talk about fantasy football? I swear he only talks about football to screw with Vinny. After the Super Bowl he made some comment and it sounded like Vinny wanted to kill him.
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Oct 12, 2015 19:35
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him calling a play action a 'worked handoff' or whatever is still one of my favorite things he's ever said
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Charles Gnarwin posted:Holy poo poo, Bryan had never heard of fantasy football. How does that dude live in the world without absorbing anything from larger society? He knows that fantasy football is a thing, he just has no idea how it works. I'm absolutely in the same boat, I hear people talk about it all the time but I had no idea what it actually entailed, and Mike's explanation still left me feeling confused as to how it actually works - so you make up a team of guys you like and at the end of the season if your guys did well overall (whether their teams won games or not), you.... win?
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Oct 12, 2015 21:53
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rovert posted:Has everyone checked out Pro Wrestling Sheet yet? Did he name names?
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Dave understands discretion. I don't think a wrestling TMZ is going to last too long before nobody will talk to it because it's going to blab about everything the second it hears about it. Dave heard about the original TNA cancellation before Dixie did and was honestly trying to help her!
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