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I really hope M'Baku doesn't die in Infinity War.
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Shageletic posted:Killmonger was a broken man fueled by hate. Everything he said was an attempt to hide how utterly hosed he was inside. I don't see a contradiction here. This is the truth. The scene that highlights it for me is when T'Challa straight up says his plans "will destroy the world! Destroy Wakanda!" Killmonger's response is a tear-filled "THE WORLD TOOK EVERYTHING FROM ME!" He is agreeing with T'Challa. He really does want to burn everything to the ground. All the talk of improving lives and using Wakanda to make the world better is half repeating what his father believed and half complete bullshit to get people to follow him. That's the moment that really shows what Erik Stevens truly feels in his heart. The world took everything from him, so he's going to retaliate by tearing everything to shreds. Wakandans, innocents, it doesn't matter. Forgive me for not contributing much to the more political discussion. I can admit that I have no idea what technocratic means and I'm just here for the funnybook stuff. Arist posted:I really hope M'Baku doesn't die in Infinity War. Don't even speak such evil into our world.
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# ? Feb 21, 2018 01:41 |
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It's "Magneto was right" all over again.
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# ? Feb 21, 2018 01:44 |
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Arist posted:I really hope M'Baku doesn't die in Infinity War. Arist posted:People are skipping straight to "armed revolution by the underclasses is always a moral good" and it's weird as hell. I'm not saying revolutions can't work, or can't be justified, but saying it's literally the only way to achieve results beyond incrementalism is kinda hosed. Also I feel like I can understand why people are so touchy about Martin Freeman's character being a heroic CIA character given the horrible history of the CIA in Africa/the whole world, but I feel its way overblown and that this movie isn't a psyop achillesforever6 fucked around with this message at 02:04 on Feb 21, 2018 |
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Open Marriage Night posted:It's "Magneto was right" all over again. Being sympathetic does not make a man right, I think is a distinction that often gets lost when a villain is sufficiently charismatic (see also: Loki).
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# ? Feb 21, 2018 02:28 |
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Barry Convex posted:I tend to agree with this, but I also don’t think the film ends up clearly endorsing any solution beyond incrementalism. That’s not to say that I personally agree with the harshest leftist criticisms of the film’s ending (i.e. that T’Challa is endorsing the standard-issue technocratic liberal solution of meritocratic education as a way out of poverty and going no further), but the film ends on a deliberately ambiguous note about exactly how Wakanda is setting out to shape the broader world, and given the constraints of the shared universe in which the film is set, I think it’s reasonable to at least be skeptical about how much they’re actually going to be allowed to change the MCU status quo. The whole critique that all of this is "merely" the same old standard liberal solution that's currently failing to bring about lasting change in the world is kind of ignoring the fact that all the dominant world powers are not, in fact, currently doing this. All our current world powers are only providing the most perfunctory sort of foreign aid -- and some of them aren't even doing that little -- while operating under the exact same sort of gently caress-you-got-mine isolationist policies that the old Wakanda was beholden to. And that's when they're not outright enacting Killmonger's credo of imperialist rule. So of course it isn't working, because the U.S. and U.K. and everyone else are not putting forth any earnest effort into helping each other out, all the while patting themselves on the back about how much better we are than everyone else. Wakanda is not intended as an allegory for some magical fictive African nation far off in some secret mountain that no one can find; that's the text, not the subtext. Wakanda is an allegory for us, every first-world nation who has all the power in the world to fix things but just sits on our asses fapping about how great we are. T'Challa's stance at the end isn't for everyone to just keep on doing the exact same thing they've always been doing and oh also Wakanda will start doing the exact same (lack of) thing that you're all doing now. He's saying that everyone needs to step up their game to actually put their whole unbridled efforts into helping each other out, and that Wakanda will be doing their part to lead that charge. It is a completely unveiled, deliberate critique of our current administration and a pointed appeal against the status quo.
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# ? Feb 21, 2018 02:38 |
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BrianWilly posted:I agree that it remains to be seen how any of this will meaningfully impact the MCU going forward, but I don't actually think that T'Challa's goals moving forward are all that ambiguous. T'Challa at the end is outright pushing for outreach, philanthropy, and sharing of resources. Aid towards refugees and others in need. All the stuff that Nakia was pressing him on earlier in the film. I think we'd have to disagree about how progressive foreign policy really was under Clinton and Obama, as well as how anomalous the current administration really is in that regard, but the specifics of that aren't really germane to this thread, so I'll leave it at that for the moment.
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# ? Feb 21, 2018 02:52 |
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I don't mean to bring this back up after you tried to drop it, but I think they were including the Clinton and Obama administrations in that critique, not singling out the current one.
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achillesforever6 posted:Yeah he was one of my favorite parts of the film, reminded me a lot of Michael Clark Duncan's character in The Scorpion King, I'm the only one who remembers The Scorpion Movie as a good fun film You are not alone! The Scorpion King is great, dumb fun. I love it. On the other hand, I was supposed to see Black Panther today, but came down with something and had to drop out, so that sucks.
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# ? Feb 21, 2018 03:41 |
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Nodosaur posted:https://twitter.com/MBJActivity/status/965985374676967426 The movie owned but there has been one thing that I can't get out of my head since watching it Did we REALLY need back to back scenes of "Person asks question -> T'Challa gives smug smile -> Black Screen"? I know it's the smallest god drat nitpick but jesus it's annoyed the hell outta me ever since.
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# ? Feb 21, 2018 04:05 |
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Arist posted:I don't mean to bring this back up after you tried to drop it, but I think they were including the Clinton and Obama administrations in that critique, not singling out the current one.
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# ? Feb 21, 2018 04:51 |
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This is like seeing the arrow in the FedEx logo and I think it may have ruined Killmonger for me
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# ? Feb 21, 2018 09:28 |
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Vegeta's great, if anything that should make Killmonger better.
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# ? Feb 21, 2018 10:07 |
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Killmonger wanted to conquer the world, including all the black people of the world, under the Wakandan flag. He wanted to kill a looooooot of people. He wanted to spread weapons around, not advanced medicine or infrastructure How does giving africans laser rifles change anything for the better? It'd just make africa even more violent and hosed up. It's not like Africa needs more armed militias with
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# ? Feb 21, 2018 11:14 |
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BrianWilly posted:I agree that it remains to be seen how any of this will meaningfully impact the MCU going forward, but I don't actually think that T'Challa's goals moving forward are all that ambiguous. T'Challa at the end is outright pushing for outreach, philanthropy, and sharing of resources. Aid towards refugees and others in need. All the stuff that Nakia was pressing him on earlier in the film.
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# ? Feb 21, 2018 13:18 |
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Why does he need to stop
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# ? Feb 21, 2018 13:20 |
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irlZaphod posted:oh my god, please stop Dude, this is the comic book movie thread, discussing comic book movies is kinda the point. I swear, some people won't be happy until this thread is just as shallow as GBS.
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# ? Feb 21, 2018 13:26 |
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Coogler wrote a thank you letter to the fans for the overwhelming reaction to BP. I often wonder what it must feel like, how gratifying it is, to make something that so many people respond to so positively.
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achillesforever6 posted:Yeah he was one of my favorite parts of the film, reminded me a lot of Michael Clark Duncan's character in The Scorpion King, I'm the only one who remembers The Scorpion Movie as a good fun film nooooooooooo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nX0100wUB0&t=104s
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# ? Feb 21, 2018 16:27 |
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I really enjoyed this look at Killmonger and the parallels between him and the Black Panther Party: https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2018/02/black-panther-erik-killmonger/553805/quote:The following distinction is crucial: Black Panther does not render a verdict that violence is an unacceptable tool of black liberation—to the contrary, that is precisely how Wakanda is liberated. It renders a verdict on imperialism as a tool of black liberation, to say that the master’s tools cannot dismantle the master’s house. Also this look at the women of Black Panther: https://www.bitchmedia.org/article/the-women-of-wakanda-are-the-real-revolutionaries quote:“Wakanda offers us a glimpse into the world as it could be—self-determined and developed on their own terms without the interruption of colonialism,” Nyong’o told Variety. “[It] has figured out how to make the most of all its citizens. Women are allowed to realize their full potential and that’s what Ryan [Coogler] wanted to show and he committed to having that number of women around him.”
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# ? Feb 21, 2018 16:28 |
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GLOSS posted:
Yeah the end credits scenes were super weak.
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# ? Feb 21, 2018 16:29 |
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All this debate over Killmonger really demonstrates what a great villain he was. Imagine people arguing like this about Steppenwolf. I saw it last night in Brooklyn with a predominantly black audience and you better believe there was applause when Killmonger said the bury me at sea line. Infinity War was already going to be the biggest blockbuster ever but I wonder if this amazing reaction to Black Panther will boost it into the loving stratosphere of box office receipts considering BP and Wakanda look to play such a huge role.
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# ? Feb 21, 2018 16:29 |
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Once I thought about that line after I got out of the theater, I couldn't help but to laugh at the reaction to that line. Certainly they aren't your ancestor if they jumped from the ship. Though I suppose it's the perfect cherry to the performance. It sounds amazing, but it's another thing that shows how wrong Erik is.
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# ? Feb 21, 2018 16:46 |
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SonicRulez posted:Once I thought about that line after I got out of the theater, I couldn't help but to laugh at the reaction to that line. Certainly they aren't your ancestor if they jumped from the ship. People can have kids despite committing suicide.
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# ? Feb 21, 2018 16:50 |
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SonicRulez posted:Once I thought about that line after I got out of the theater, I couldn't help but to laugh at the reaction to that line. Certainly they aren't your ancestor if they jumped from the ship. Then it dawns on you how that's still possible.
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# ? Feb 21, 2018 16:53 |
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Also, you know, poetic license
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# ? Feb 21, 2018 16:55 |
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zoux posted:Also, you know, poetic license Kelly continues to be the best.
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# ? Feb 21, 2018 17:10 |
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CineD is cool and full of normal people.
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# ? Feb 21, 2018 18:30 |
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Does this have anything to do with that fetching new red title you got? The second in less than a day? Also if we judge subforums by a few outlier wierdos, I'm sad to say this place wouldn't come off much better.
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# ? Feb 21, 2018 18:48 |
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McCloud posted:Does this have anything to do with that fetching new red title you got? The second in less than a day? Well, you do post in both subforums.
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# ? Feb 21, 2018 18:50 |
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I mean, it has more to do with how much the conversation is dominated by crazy people than how many of them there technically are.
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# ? Feb 21, 2018 18:54 |
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There are parts of CineD that are really great, the Horror Thread for one. But any discussion of a comic book films, especially any criticism of the films that should not be named will have a hundred furious nerds descend upon you demanding you debate them.
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# ? Feb 21, 2018 19:04 |
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Roth posted:Well, you do post in both subforums. Oh... Oh no. I also post in the Trump thread in D&D
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# ? Feb 21, 2018 19:09 |
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McCloud posted:Oh... Oh no. The unholy trinity...
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# ? Feb 21, 2018 19:15 |
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McCloud posted:Oh... Oh no. Time to finally change that avatar.
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# ? Feb 21, 2018 19:47 |
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Karloff posted:There are parts of CineD that are really great, the Horror Thread for one. But any discussion of a comic book films, especially any criticism of the films that should not be named will have a hundred furious nerds descend upon you demanding you debate them. the single most toxic member of the CineD Pretentious Pseudo-Intellectual Bullshit to Explain Why Any Criticism of MoS/BVS and Any Praise of Marvel Studios Films Is Objectively Wrong and Invalid cult just got probated for endorsing Armond White's attack on high school shooting survivors as crisis actors, lmao
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# ? Feb 21, 2018 19:53 |
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SonicRulez posted:Once I thought about that line after I got out of the theater, I couldn't help but to laugh at the reaction to that line. Certainly they aren't your ancestor if they jumped from the ship. Post-credit chat: That was a French representative who asked 'what can Wakanda offer the world?' , right? I'm guessing that was a deliberate choice, considering France's relationship with its former colonies. Edit: Barry Convex posted:the single most toxic member of the CineD Pretentious Pseudo-Intellectual Bullshit to Explain Why Any Criticism of MoS/BVS and Any Praise of Marvel Studios Films Is Objectively Wrong and Invalid cult just got probated for endorsing Armond White's attack on high school shooting survivors as crisis actors, lmao
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# ? Feb 21, 2018 19:56 |
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Barry Convex posted:the single most toxic member of the CineD Pretentious Pseudo-Intellectual Bullshit to Explain Why Any Criticism of MoS/BVS and Any Praise of Marvel Studios Films Is Objectively Wrong and Invalid cult just got probated for endorsing Armond White's attack on high school shooting survivors as crisis actors, lmao White nerd dudes that think they're above other white nerd dudes truly are the worst.
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# ? Feb 21, 2018 20:00 |
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Yvonmukluk posted:Or you, know, Erik may have been talking metaphorically, especially considering how slaves were literally ripped from their homelands and heritage. He probably wasn't talking about his literal direct ancestors. SuperMechagodzilla posted:How is cynicism towards the news industry’s narrativization of the shooting, and America’s bullshit gun control debate, incorrect? SuperMechagodzilla posted:It’s not a defense; he’s not insulting the children. SuperMechagodzilla posted:He did not say they are crisis actors. He’s specifically written that they are children - and, since children are typically not good at understanding the media, they are perhaps inherently being manipulated.
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Barry Convex posted:the single most toxic member of the CineD Pretentious Pseudo-Intellectual Bullshit to Explain Why Any Criticism of MoS/BVS and Any Praise of Marvel Studios Films Is Objectively Wrong and Invalid cult just got probated for endorsing Armond White's attack on high school shooting survivors as crisis actors, lmao I know forum derails can get wild sometimes but how do you go from the biannual griping about MCU films to that? mycot fucked around with this message at 20:20 on Feb 21, 2018 |
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