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ded posted:you can make money off doctrine ships, if they are getting used a lot and blown up. but you will always be competing against people who have massive economies of scale already setup and building likely with stockpiles sitting waiting for local stocks to go down. Things are a bit more complicated since the HAC nerf though. More T2 sales are in marauders now, and making marauders is a pain in the rear end because of isogen, the stupid PI components, and the ridiculous volume of the hulls and minerals. Also, if you can't afford a JF, consider looking for a used Rorqual, slap some cargo rigs and cargo expanders on it, and you'll have a 200k m3 baby JF. They're quite good at it again now that they can jump to Venture cynos, but be careful of the docking restrictions. Most GSF industry has shifted to smaller-sized structures, and Rorquals can not dock at Raitarus, Azbels, or Athanors.
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yoloer420 posted:What's a starburst? how to ask what is small gang warfare without saying I have never done small gangs
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Johnny Five-Jaces posted:Hi guys, just wanted to take a minute to wish you a very merry Christmas and a happy new year, most of all good health! These days people don't spend much time or thought on some personal words to their friends and family, they just copy and paste some random message and send it on. So after all we've been through together this year I want to thank you for your friendship and wish you a happy and fulfilling 2018 - you’re the best gymnastics group anyone could ask for. 30 Helens Agree
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T2 spaceship business was my main business. Was. Now I found out that basically all the medium sized ones, which was like 90% of my production line, is totally borked. Aka unprofitable. Even the most used and blown up ones like ishtars and mining barges. Not sure why. I assume it's for the 'moongoo is free' mentality of all you moon miners out there. Basically you only count the cost of goo production, not its market value. Or something else, you tell me. OneEightHundred posted:More T2 sales are in marauders now, and making marauders is a pain in the rear end because of isogen, the stupid PI components, and the ridiculous volume of the hulls and minerals. Another lil problem with marauders or black ops is that ridiculus 10M click for relisting the sell order at a lower price. And I have advanced broker relations 4 so that's pretty badass in terms of marketing skills. So you basically list it and wait maybe a month before it gets sold. Grrrrrrrr CCP 
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froody guy posted:T2 spaceship business was my main business. Was. Now I found out that basically all the medium sized ones, which was like 90% of my production line, is totally borked. Aka unprofitable. Even the most used and blown up ones like ishtars and mining barges. Not sure why. I assume it's for the 'moongoo is free' mentality of all you moon miners out there. Basically you only count the cost of goo production, not its market value. Or something else, you tell me. the high market taxes encourage vertical integration and to try to exit at the end of the value chain.
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Instead of training JF and all the nav skills to V + sinking 12b into the hull and fittings + and have a bunch of cyno alts to make 5% margins or whatever I would just train marauder and hop into any number of empty C5s that pop up when scanning and pay off your ship after a few sites
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GSV gently caress Your God posted:the high market taxes encourage vertical integration and to try to exit at the end of the value chain. Kill all MBAs.
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Arishtat posted:Kill all MBAs. This does not require any degree whatsoever to understand (though I agree with your sentiment).
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froody guy posted:T2 spaceship business was my main business. Was. Now I found out that basically all the medium sized ones, which was like 90% of my production line, is totally borked. Aka unprofitable. Even the most used and blown up ones like ishtars and mining barges. Not sure why. I assume it's for the 'moongoo is free' mentality of all you moon miners out there. Basically you only count the cost of goo production, not its market value. Or something else, you tell me. If you're selling out of a player structure that cost to edit the market order is completely independent of your broker relations skills. I've got a perfectly, and I mean perfectly, skilled trade alt I used to use in Dodixie who is now in delve, and the only trade skills that matter to her now she trades out of the imperial palace are the ones associated with the number of market orders I can have, the distance I can set up buy orders for, how far away I can be to adjust buy orders, and the number of contracts I can put up. Essentially these days, I still "buy" with buy orders off the market, but I sell 100% on alliance contracts, which is a pain in the rear end to set up the contracts and spam them in isk.imperium and 1DQ local every hour, but those contracts aren't taxed and only cost 10k isk to setup. So I am always setting those contracts significantly under market value, but at a greater price than I could get after taxes if I sold off of market even if I do not have to pay ridiculous broker costs to adjust the order on the market. If I didn't do it this way I would probably be at less than 1% total profit margin, which is not sustainable for the effort involved in trading (yes, 'work' is required.) GOOD TIMES ON METH posted:Instead of training JF and all the nav skills to V + sinking 12b into the hull and fittings + and have a bunch of cyno alts to make 5% margins or whatever I would just train marauder and hop into any number of empty C5s that pop up when scanning and pay off your ship after a few sites Too much effort and too much risk for my tastes. I enjoy making all of my money without really having to risk anything at all, and not having to scan poo poo down. I know it's easy to do, but for some reason every time I have to shoot out probes and scan poo poo down I literally get the urge to dock and do something else. Edit I am fine with risk as far as shooting people in the face in Eve, but gently caress the idea of making my in-game income reliant on 1. Grinding any PVE content; and 2. Having to put billions of isk at risk doing it just does not do it for me. Even in the era of super ratting, I would only rat in my Hel or Nyx if I was incredibly bored--and that was just because of point 1. ZombieLenin fucked around with this message at 20:31 on Dec 27, 2023 |
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Wait a sec, you mean I wasted 3 awesome days of training for that SCC thing and it doesn't do poo poo? 
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froody guy posted:Wait a sec, you mean I wasted 3 awesome days of training for that SCC thing and it doesn't do poo poo? So I won eve for a number of years, but not until after the market changes. From what I remember brokers fees and tax rates are 100% set by the owner of a player owned structure--which is why all of those player freeport trade structures exist, as they set the brokers fees and taxes very low to encourage people to trade out of them. So any trade skill that reduces your broker fees or the taxes you pay on a market order has zero impact if you are trading out of a player structure, for example the Imperial Palace. Now if your trader is in an NPC station in a trade hub, like Jita, Stacmon, Rens, Dodixie, Hek, etc... then those skills plus your standings with the NPC faction that owns the station you are trading out of absolutely make a difference in the amount you pay in both brokers fees and taxes.
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GSV gently caress Your God posted:the high market taxes encourage vertical integration and to try to exit at the end of the value chain. Let me tell you something about vertical integration https://i.imgur.com/xCsHbw6.mp4
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GOOD TIMES ON METH posted:Instead of training JF and all the nav skills to V + sinking 12b into the hull and fittings + and have a bunch of cyno alts to make 5% margins or whatever I would just train marauder and hop into any number of empty C5s that pop up when scanning and pay off your ship after a few sites please do this i love killing lone ratting marauders with no hole control or scouts if youre actually going to do this run c4 sites (and by sites i mean the frontier barracks) instead. c5 sites have massive clear times (<40mins with drifter) solo which makes them both much more unsafe and you end up earning less because drifter isk/ehp is kinda bad. also, c4s get much less activity generally and nobody ragerolls c4s.
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Arishtat posted:Kill all MBAs. 
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ZombieLenin posted:So I won eve for a number of years, but not until after the market changes. From what I remember brokers fees and tax rates are 100% set by the owner of a player owned structure--which is why all of those player freeport trade structures exist, as they set the brokers fees and taxes very low to encourage people to trade out of them. This is incorrect. The owner of a citadel can set the brokers fee and Broker Relations is therefore useless in those, but sales tax is paid directly to the SCC so Accounting is still useful. I am also pretty sure the Advanced Broker Relations still reduces the percentage of the broker's fee you pay when relisting, even in a citadel, as that's what the relevant eve help center articles say (Buy and Sell Orders and Brokers' Fee and Sales Tax)
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Sapphic Socialism posted:This is incorrect. The owner of a citadel can set the brokers fee and Broker Relations is therefore useless in those, but sales tax is paid directly to the SCC so Accounting is still useful. I am also pretty sure the Advanced Broker Relations still reduces the percentage of the broker's fee you pay when relisting, even in a citadel, as that's what the relevant eve help center articles say (Buy and Sell Orders and Brokers' Fee and Sales Tax) Thank you for the correction. I've been back a month after being gone since at least 2018 so I was operating completely on memory.
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Btw, I thought about going the contract way for >1B worth of stuff but tbh it just runs too fast and it's not always clear what the contract is and what is just an item or a simple WTB/WTS. Why did we stop using gs_isk for that? 
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froody guy posted:Btw, I thought about going the contract way for >1B worth of stuff but tbh it just runs too fast and it's not always clear what the contract is and what is just an item or a simple WTB/WTS. Why did we stop using gs_isk for that? Idk.imperium is the proper channel, and I am looking at it a lot. It still seems to work that way to me... I basically contract 90% of what I sell now, but that means instead of afk mining while watching Netflix like some people do (I was never a miner) I have to ghost that channel and post my contracts in it (and 1DQ local) every hour while I stream poo poo. It takes a long time, but I feel like I'm providing a good service since I just take what I am selling, put up the contracts in usable amounts--for example 5 drones at a time--and set my price slightly above what I would make if I sold them on the market after taxes (not accounting for the fees for having to change orders when you are undercut), which means the vast majority of the stuff I sell is at a considerable discount. Edit And really as a trader who has lots of market orders, I don't actually seem to be making isk any slower, and what I am describing is no different time wise than seriously trading, which involved going up and down my orders over and over for half the day on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday constantly adjusting buy orders up and sell orders down. Plus the post contracts once an hour works way better for ghosting eve while doing the work from home meta. I do sometimes think that taxes in 1DQ are a bit high, because they are high enough to push me out of the market. I don't build poo poo anymore (and I barely did in the past), but whenever I see those taxes I start wondering how the hell manufacturers (especially for T2 ships) pull any profit at all. ZombieLenin fucked around with this message at 17:59 on Dec 29, 2023 |
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ZombieLenin posted:Idk.imperium is the proper channel, and I am looking at it a lot. It still seems to work that way to me... Didn't you get kicked for being a market goonfucker in 1DQ?
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Wibla posted:
They indeed aren't unless... Eyud posted:This you?
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Wibla posted:
Maybe it's not 'relatively speaking', meaning maybe somewhere else in EVE it's even worst, but in real life trading anything above 0.something is definitely outrageous. Like 0.5% is totally bonkers. Buy/Sell fees are generally in the 0.0something. But ok, these rules are kinda set in stone by CCP so you can't really compare them with real life ones. Anyway, 30M tax to sell a 700M item, considering that 5M ish click every time you relist, nah, not fun. froody guy fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Dec 29, 2023 |
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Saithir posted:They indeed aren't unless... Aww that is it. Apparently they weren't kicked, but i can see why selling in 1DQ is expensive with the goonfucker acl applied.
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Sickening posted:Aww that is it. Apparently they weren't kicked, but i can see why selling in 1DQ is expensive with the goonfucker acl applied. How much does it increase the market taxes? I know it made offices like 1bil a month. I wonder if that dude that got put on the shitlist for shitposting about ansi fees is still on there…
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pretty sure its a 100% tax or whatever the absolute max a station owner can place really tho the guy turning to jita contract spam is just laffo
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ded posted:really tho the guy turning to jita contract spam is just laffo I do also love the ZombieLenin posted:I do sometimes think that taxes in 1DQ are a bit high Hoping people won’t notice he’s on the goonfucker acl
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acl, access control list, it's a thing for controlling who can do what in a citadel, apparently the one they've set up for goonfuckers imposes maximum taxes on market sales lmao
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hailthefish posted:acl, access control list, it's a thing for controlling who can do what in a citadel, apparently the one they've set up for goonfuckers imposes maximum taxes on market sales lmao Yup. Market taxes, industry taxes, office fees, jump clone fees, ansi fees, they really give it to you.
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Cactus Ghost posted:wtf is a goon fucker aci not much what's goon fucker aci with you
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I'd rather join karmafleet and work for pap than harm the greater goon. My greatest dream in EVE is still be a GSOL dummy POS refueler strategic anchorer and online buthan pusher. Now, I of course derailed that career too by winning EVE too many times already but hey. That being said, I was clearly joking about joining karmafleet.
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Sickening posted:Didn't you get kicked for being a market goonfucker in 1DQ? Nope. You're thinking of someone else, dude.
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Saithir posted:They indeed aren't unless... That's me. I cannot even tell you what happened there for sure--I don't even trade fighters anymore. If I had to guess, right after I came back I 'tried' briefly to trade fighters again, as I traded them back in 2018, and set up a bunch of buy orders and hosed one up... bought a whole 5 for $15m, then put them back up on the market for just under whatever price someone else was selling out with the stack I already had, which I took down later because they weren't selling and weren't worth the effort. You're acting like I bought poo poo out to realist, which never ever happened and I would never ever do. Seriously you're complaining about the purchase of 5 whole fighters. Incidentally, I do my selling on contracts now. Why don't you check my contracts and tell me I am a goon fucker. A lot of my contracts are selling at or under Jita prices, and they are all significantly below 1DQ market. . I also buy out hangars and poo poo and continuously give away any of the skins or skill books I get in those, and just yesterday set up 5 free contracts for random stuff for skins, skill books, and filaments to alliance members. I was offering to sell a pilot result certificate I came into for half price to Waffe--if you're in waffe just look in discord. When I came back I also unloaded a huge amount of poo poo in my hangar that I knew I would never use again, including a poo poo Tom of BPOs and capital parts to corp and alliance members at a huge discount. You can just ask around, or look at my post in S-Mart. So your insinuation I'm a "goonfucker" based on the purchase of 5 whole fighters is completely off base; and frankly dumb. ZombieLenin fucked around with this message at 16:54 on Dec 30, 2023 |
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"I am not a relister duuuuuude", he said, while proceeding to describe the relisting in question in details that interested nobody.
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ZombieLenin posted:That's me. I cannot even tell you what happened there for sure--I don't even trade fighters anymore. Your relisting has timestamps. Are you okay?
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