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What is the best flav... you all know what this question is: This poll is closed. |
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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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Jun 29, 2017 22:51
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staberind posted:Indeed, many people seem to manage to balance their self preservation with the fact that maybe other people deserve the same rights, despite their varying skin tones. as a collective or group, they probably have an identity. Quite. I think we agree. I do not seek to override or negate the problems of others with my own. I agree that if one were at a Black Lives Matter talk or meeting, then it would not be the place to express ones own problems.
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Jun 29, 2017 22:52
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Lord_Adonis posted:What are my obligations with regards to actions that took place before my birth and enfranchisement? jfc i knew libertarians were as thick as pig poo poo but i forgot they literally used "I never asked to be born" as a get out of jail free card
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Jun 29, 2017 22:52
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I do not object to my new imposed Avatar. However, I would like to ask what a 'Shitpost' is?
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Jun 29, 2017 22:53
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Saint Isaias Boner posted:jfc i knew libertarians were as thick as pig poo poo but i forgot they literally used "I never asked to be born" as a get out of jail free card I am not, and never have been a Libertarian. Nor did I object to the notion that some kind of transitive obligations exist for the member of a collective. I simply wished to determine the extent of those obligations.
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Jun 29, 2017 22:54
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lmao nice new av. or should I say "The new avatar and custom text which some kind sirrah has bestowed upon you is quite fetching, and might I say that the colour purple complements your terrible posting quite fulsomely. All the best &c &c"
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Jun 29, 2017 22:54
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Lord_Adonis posted:I do not object to my new imposed Avatar. However, I would like to ask what a 'Shitpost' is? How did you even find your way onto this forum?
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Jun 29, 2017 22:55
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I believe the pertinent question to Lord Adonis about obligations of birth and history is 'when did you sign the social contract?'.
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Jun 29, 2017 22:55
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OwlFancier posted:That has some interesting metaphysical implications when he dies, depending on what the statue does.  only this may happen.Edit : adonis : yessssssssssssssssssss. staberind fucked around with this message at 23:02 on Jun 29, 2017 |
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Jun 29, 2017 22:56
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multijoe posted:How did you even find your way onto this forum? My interest in this forum began with reading some of the ''let's plays'' that exist here. I was also given some useful advice in the Careers forum about developing my Electrical Installation and Design qualifications.
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Jun 29, 2017 22:58
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Lord_Adonis posted:I am not, and never have been a Libertarian. Nor did I object to the notion that some kind of transitive obligations exist for the member of a collective. I simply wished to determine the extent of those obligations. If it walks like a libertarian, lacks empathy like a libertarian, and spouts bullshit like a libertarian then people are going to say "by golly! He's a libertarian." I suggest that if you don't want to be accused of one that you stop acting like one. A bold proposition but you should really consider it.
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Jun 29, 2017 22:59
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namesake posted:I believe the pertinent question to Lord Adonis about obligations of birth and history is 'when did you sign the social contract?'. It is not a question of 'signing' a contract as such. I abide by its precepts because I have no choice but to, given that I would likely run foul of the law by breaking it, and that I would not survive outside of its bounds.
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Jun 29, 2017 23:00
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TinTower posted:This is bollocks. Labour voters are overwhelmingly anti-Hard Brexit. Almost half of them are No-Brexit-At-All. Trust a Lib Dem to keep pushing something far past its viable shelf-life, in spite of repeated messages from the public.
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Jun 29, 2017 23:02
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Coming ITT with a steaming hot take: Freedom of association is an incredibly stupid idea to be absolutist about.
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Jun 29, 2017 23:03
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number one pta fan posted:Trust a Lib Dem to keep pushing something far past its viable shelf-life, in spite of repeated messages from the public. but coronation street is good.
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Jun 29, 2017 23:04
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forkboy84 posted:If it walks like a libertarian, lacks empathy like a libertarian, and spouts bullshit like a libertarian then people are going to say "by golly! He's a libertarian." Am I being accused of Libertarianism because of my belief that people should assist other people according to their ability to do so, that one can be preoccupied with ones own problems and the problems of other simultaneously, or both?
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Jun 29, 2017 23:09
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Lord_Adonis posted:It is not a question of 'signing' a contract as such. I abide by its precepts because I have no choice but to, given that I would likely run foul of the law by breaking it, and that I would not survive outside of its bounds. this might come as a surprise to you but " the law" is not an absolute. to make it simple for you, the law stipulates payment of taxes. meanwhile, mp's are free to offer guidance on how to avoid paying taxes. when someone has re-assembled you, after your inevitable external combustion, I'd like to ask : is this a situation that needs some attention being paid to it.
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Jun 29, 2017 23:11
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Lord_Adonis posted:Am I being accused of Libertarianism because of my belief that people should assist other people according to their ability to do so, that one can be preoccupied with ones own problems and the problems of other simultaneously, or both? It's because you post like someone who fell asleep in a copy of Atlas Shrugged and woke up to find the book missing and an uncontrollable urge to use only purple prose.
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Jun 29, 2017 23:12
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGw-Ad9avx4
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Jun 29, 2017 23:13
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Lord_Adonis posted:Am I being accused of Libertarianism because of my belief that people should assist other people according to their ability to do so, that one can be preoccupied with ones own problems and the problems of other simultaneously, or both? adding a caveat to a basic fact smacks of, hmmmmm, whats the word...
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Jun 29, 2017 23:13
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OwlFancier posted:Coming ITT with a steaming hot take: Freedom of association is an incredibly stupid idea to be absolutist about.
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Jun 29, 2017 23:15
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Tesseraction posted:It's because you post like someone who fell asleep in a copy of Atlas Shrugged and woke up to find the book missing and an uncontrollable urge to use only purple prose. I am not sure what the contents of 'Atlas Shrugged' are- no doubt a Libertarian text of some sort. However, I fail to see how I can support progressive taxation, the funding of public services and welfare provision and still be called a Libertarian.
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Jun 29, 2017 23:16
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staberind posted:adding a caveat to a basic fact smacks of, hmmmmm, whats the word... Where is the caveat?
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Jun 29, 2017 23:17
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Lord_Adonis posted:I am not sure what the contents of 'Atlas Shrugged' are- no doubt a Libertarian text of some sort. However, I fail to see how I can support progressive taxation, the funding of public services and welfare provision and still be called a Libertarian. It's not necessarily a reflection of your personal political views, it's more that the only people who use the same weird way of typing have tended to also be really obsessed with the age of consent being too high.
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Jun 29, 2017 23:18
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Lord_Adonis posted:Where is the caveat? "according to their ability to do so" you either help, or you dont, other people will judge you on whether or not you helped to your best ability and its not really something you give a gently caress about if you truly intend on helping. Tesseraction posted:It's not necessarily a reflection of your personal political views, it's more that the only people who use the same weird way of typing have tended to also be really obsessed with the age of consent being too high. I do talk like that sometimes, but that's under the influence of many more drugs than I am willing to discuss at this juncture, meanwhile, 
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Jun 29, 2017 23:20
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Lord_Adonis posted:I am not sure what the contents of 'Atlas Shrugged' are- no doubt a Libertarian text of some sort. However, I fail to see how I can support progressive taxation, the funding of public services and welfare provision and still be called a Libertarian. It's like you were taken out of your box 2 years ago but you've only just been turned on.
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Jun 29, 2017 23:20
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So, why has corbyn gotten rid of 3 front benchers for their vote? It seems a tad odd. From an outsider perspective.
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Jun 29, 2017 23:20
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Tesseraction posted:It's not necessarily a reflection of your personal political views, it's more that the only people who use the same weird way of typing have tended to also be really obsessed with the age of consent being too high. I have no problem with the age of consent as it currently stands. As for my prose, I apologise if it portrays a false impression of my politics- this is simply the style that I am comfortable with.
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Jun 29, 2017 23:21
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Josef bugman posted:So, why has corbyn gotten rid of 3 front benchers for their vote? They broke the whip. You break the whip, you're out of the cabinet.
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Jun 29, 2017 23:21
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Josef bugman posted:So, why has corbyn gotten rid of 3 front benchers for their vote? Because he wants a hard Brexit.
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Jun 29, 2017 23:23
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Pissflaps posted:Because he wants a hard Brexit. no, because if you defy the whip you lose your seat on the front bench. Don't be loving obtuse you loving pedant
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Jun 29, 2017 23:24
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staberind posted:"according to their ability to do so" I don't believe this to be the case. For example, it is rare to find someone who offers to pay a level of taxation beyond that which they are obliged to, or when someone commits to a charitable donation, they rarely offer up the entirety of their savings and the value of their assets. This is not an argument against helping, simply that people generally provide help that is proportional to their ability to do so without causing themselves excessive material harm. The Progressive Tax System is one reflection of this phenomenon in our society- those that are deemed to have the ability to contribute proportionally more to the general welfare of the state without incurring excessive material losses are expected to contribute more.
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Jun 29, 2017 23:25
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Lord_Adonis posted:I have no problem with the age of consent as it currently stands. As for my prose, I apologise if it portrays a false impression of my politics- this is simply the style that I am comfortable with. Might I suggest taking on a more colloquial, conversational style, as would befit a human being engaged in a conversation rather than an AI achieving sentience and trying to figure out what this thing humans call shitposting is?
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Jun 29, 2017 23:25
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While I am a bit disappointed about the whip thing, I also understand that there's just no loving way at this point that we get a Norway-style deal so it doesn't really matter all that much. Unfortunately that also means we're turbo-hosed
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Jun 29, 2017 23:26
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Lord of the Llamas posted:If you think that public opinion might turn against Brexit enough to prevent it then Labour is your only option. I don't want Brexit any more than Corbyn wants Trident. But we both recognise the political reality of living in a democratic system. Especially when there's just been a loving referendum. If there had been a referendum that said 'Trident is good', and then the party in office was interpreting that as meaning 'nuke the Sun now', but then their minority government collapsed over that and you came to power, would you feel similarly obliged to press the metaphorical big red button?
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Jun 29, 2017 23:27
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TomViolence posted:Might I suggest taking on a more colloquial, conversational style, as would befit a human being engaged in a conversation rather than an AI achieving sentience and trying to figure out what this thing humans call shitposting is? It is something that I will certainly take on board and think about.
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Jun 29, 2017 23:28
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:no, because if you defy the whip you lose your seat on the front bench. Don't be loving obtuse you loving pedant By focussing on a procedural reason for dismissal rather than the wider background behind the decision you have revealed that it is in fact yourself that is the pedant. Corbyn whipped for an abstention on single market membership because he is pro hard brexit. Those that defied him paid for it with their jobs.
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Jun 29, 2017 23:29
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Lord_Adonis posted:I don't believe this to be the case. For example, it is rare to find someone who offers to pay a level of taxation beyond that which they are obliged to, or when someone commits to a charitable donation, they rarely offer up the entirety of their savings and the value of their assets. This is not an argument against helping, simply that people generally provide help that is proportional to their ability to do so without causing themselves excessive material harm. The Progressive Tax System is one reflection of this phenomenon in our society- those that are deemed to have the ability to contribute proportionally more to the general welfare of the state without incurring excessive material losses are expected to contribute more. the fact that you feel the need to qualify that means that you don't understand what "help" entails.
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Jun 29, 2017 23:32
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Pissflaps posted:By focussing on a procedural reason for dismissal rather than the wider background behind the decision you have revealed that it is in fact yourself that is the pedant. Actually they are still members of parliament and thus still have their jobs.
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radmonger posted:If there had been a referendum that said 'Trident is good', and then the party in office was interpreting that as meaning 'nuke the Sun now', but then their minority government collapsed over that and you came to power, would you feel similarly obliged to press the metaphorical big red button?
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