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Oct 6, 2017 14:21
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Vulcans have to be biologically different than humans emotionally, because when humans try to repress emotions like that, in most cases they eventually snap, go totally insane and shoot up a school or something. Of course, Vulcans do flip out and go insane every seven years when they have to mate, which is probably the least surprising thing ever.
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Oct 6, 2017 15:18
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Gammatron 64 posted:Vulcans have to be biologically different than humans emotionally, because when humans try to repress emotions like that, in most cases they eventually snap, go totally insane and shoot up a school or something. Well Vulcans learn from childhood how to do this and have to meditate regularly and play really boring games and eat boring food and do a bunch of other poo poo. Plus most Vulcans we see are like 80+ years old and already very accomplished individuals. I think they might actually be worse at it than humans, and when they snap they have super strength and vague psychic powers and poo poo so it's real bad.
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Oct 6, 2017 15:22
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The Bloop posted:Well Vulcans learn from childhood how to do this and have to meditate regularly and play really boring games and eat boring food and do a bunch of other poo poo. Plus most Vulcans we see are like 80+ years old and already very accomplished individuals. Well, Bones did say that the Vulcans' wars made World War II look like a schoolyard brawl. The reason why Vulcans buried their emotions in the first place is because they used to be really, really violent. Although you'd think that would actually make things worse, because people who bottle up their emotions tend to eventually explode. If Vulcans going nuts and killing people was a common occurrence, you'd think they'd have trouble hiding it. But then again, nobody seemed to know about Pon Farr in TOS. And nobody knew that Vulcans and Romulans were once the same species.
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Oct 6, 2017 15:39
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Delsaber posted:Every now and then Vulcan school kids get the TV cart rolled into their classrooms and have to watch videos about nocturnal emotions. "You see Timmy-ruk was sick, not with Vulcan flu but a sickness of the mind. Timmy-ruk was a Pathosexual."
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Oct 6, 2017 16:27
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Well, Vulcans do kind of explode emotionally on occasion and basically Hulk out. It's mentioned that a Vulcan unrestrained can be more violent than a Klingon. Their brains don't work like humans, though, that's made pretty clear.
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Oct 6, 2017 16:47
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One of the things I most liked about the JJtreks were that they reinforced the "angry Vulcans are basically murdermonsters and we should be thankful that they keep that poo poo on lock" moments.
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Oct 6, 2017 17:11
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I feel like the (proto)federation was worse off, but Vulcans were actually better off, when they were secretly being run by a Romulan before they rediscovered the teachings of Surek. They were bigger dicks but seemed to have less dumb poo poo going on societally.
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Oct 6, 2017 17:17
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Sometimes vulcans just become calm serial killing snipers.
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Oct 6, 2017 17:22
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Did that episode come out before Perfect Dark or did some writer play the N64 game and suddenly have an idea?
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Oct 6, 2017 17:29
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Did that episode come out before Perfect Dark or did some writer play the N64 game and suddenly have an idea? Perfect Dark came out a year after that episode, but the Arnold Schwarzeneggar movie Eraser with essentially the same weapon came out in 1996.
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Oct 6, 2017 18:34
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My favorite thing about Voyager is how Tuvok has a holodeck program where he strangles Neelix to death to blow off steam.
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Oct 6, 2017 19:14
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Gammatron 64 posted:My favorite thing about Voyager is how Tuvok has a holodeck program where he strangles Neelix to death to blow off steam. 
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Oct 6, 2017 19:21
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I always assumed that was a public program open to any member of the crew.
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Oct 6, 2017 19:31
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Gammatron 64 posted:My favorite thing about Voyager is how Tuvok has a holodeck program where he strangles Neelix to death to blow off steam.
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Oct 6, 2017 19:43
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FlamingLiberal posted:I would think every Voyager crew member uses that program Especially Kes, but especially Neelix
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Oct 6, 2017 20:15
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I didn't watch Voyager when it was airing (I think I bailed really early) but I caught up with some of what were considered the 'best' episodes later. Was "Equinox" the Voyager episode where they run into the rogue Star Trek ship doing everything wrong, and Janeway beats them because ugh Voyager is trash? I seem to remember not being alone in thinking "I'd rather see a show about that Equinox ship, a Federation ship that gets in a bad place and has a morally grey outlook as they have to start dealing with reality." I think Star Trek Discovery may be that show. I also seem to remember some people saying they wanted a Section 31 show. Well...
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Oct 6, 2017 20:15
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Morally grey my rear end, they were murdering sentient life forms for warp speed nitrous oxide Janeway was nuts but most of the Equinox crew were just bastards
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Oct 6, 2017 20:28
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The delta quadrant was a hosed up place, a devestated post-borg apocalypse. You do what you have to do to survive. Voyager only made it out because of Chakotay's native magic tattoo gods who protected the ship from the quadrant and Janeway herself.
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Oct 6, 2017 20:40
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The two parter is decent, but it's dragged down by Janeway going off the rails and suffering no consequences for her almost letting another officer die that she put in danger on purpose
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Oct 6, 2017 20:40
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ashpanash posted:The delta quadrant was a hosed up place, a devestated post-borg apocalypse Wow I wish this was in the show. Neelix as a scheming (yet loveable) trader, Seven as a broken, vibrant personality yearning to break free of her Borg shackles, Chakotay with any character at all... the works!
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FlamingLiberal posted:The two parter is decent, but it's dragged down by Janeway going off the rails and suffering no consequences for her almost letting another officer die that she put in danger on purpose It's also kind of meta in that it draws attention to the fact that Voyager had been puttering along in TNG-lite mode for it's entire run without so much as any stains in the carpet (I think at one point Janeway remarks how the ship's commissioning plaque had never been knocked down before) and now whoops here comes this other Federation ship in the same circumstances and they got blown to poo poo whooooaaaa Like I think the whole push for "grimmer! darker! morally questionable characters making harrrd choices" has a lot to do with how bland shows like Voyager were or had become. I mean a lot of BSG was basically Ron Moore's answer to Voyager never being allowed to really grow into it's premise, but even within the confines of BSG where the sadsack stuff was baked right into the setting, it got old pretty quick as the overarching story was typically far more compelling
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Oct 6, 2017 20:55
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Kate Mulgrew and Robert Picardo really are the only actors that carry most of what's watchable in Voyager. Tim Russ in some cases too. That being said I'm also one of those heretics that really likes The Killing Game, absurdities and all.
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Oct 6, 2017 21:07
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Kazinsal posted:Kate Mulgrew and Robert Picardo really are the only actors that carry most of what's watchable in Voyager. Tim Russ in some cases too. I hear Picardo loves it when you say that.
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Oct 6, 2017 21:24
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McNally posted:I hear Picardo loves it when you say that. [picardo annoyed at convention table dot jay peg]
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Oct 6, 2017 21:25
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Romulan society seems a lot better than Vulcan society.
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Oct 6, 2017 21:36
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Jeri Ryan did well with what she was given.
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Oct 6, 2017 21:40
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Shibawanko posted:Romulan society seems a lot better than Vulcan society. Given that you can obviously just choose to leave Vulcan society and given the existence of the Federation I don't think I'd prefer to have been born a Romulan than a Vulcan.
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Some nerd on Reddit posted an eloquent take down of Discovery so far, which I found pretty worth reading and put into words some of my feelings of it all.Some nerd posted:Personally, I'd probably like the show more if it weren't called "Star Trek" or in any way associated with the franchise. After all, the production value is through the roof, it looks fantastic, it's cast well, the acting is excellent, etc. But it's just not Trek. I don't have any problem with it being grim or dark, either. DS9 was certainly him and dark-- sometimes very dark. Hell, they took The Federation to war. Sisko, himself, started it even.
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Oct 6, 2017 21:48
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Let me rephrase: it seems a lot cooler.
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Oct 6, 2017 21:53
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I don't understand all the "if you took the Star Trek stuff out, I'd probably like it!" comments. If you take out all the Star Trek bits (as fluffy and inconsequential as most of it's been so far in this show) out what you're left with is a more expensive and less impressive version of The Expanse, without most of the hooks that made that show interesting.
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Oct 6, 2017 22:00
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jeeves posted:Some nerd on Reddit posted an eloquent take down of Discovery so far, which I found pretty worth reading and put into words some of my feelings of it all. That's basically exactly what I said, so in other words, he's going to get downvoted into oblivion
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Oct 6, 2017 22:11
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I'd downvote for "capitol"
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Oct 6, 2017 22:17
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As somewhat ambivalent I am about Discovery I cannot take anyone seriously who says "not what Trek is" and definitely not when they think the Prime Directive is a good thing that must be followed at all times when its basically the antagonist in half the episodes where its a focus (as in "How can we do X without getting into too much trouble?"). No matter how eloquent they are. The Prime Directive this is just the nerd in me though so never mind that. Sometimes it seems like a lot of people think the first two seasons of TNG were are what Trek "is" when what the first two seasons of TNG actually were for the most part are boring and pretentious morality plays where the enlightened super-people from space went to the Planet of the Week to teach the dunces (ie. us, the people watching the show) a lesson. The best episodes of Trek were always the opposite of that.
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Oct 6, 2017 22:17
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I dunno why he'd bring up multi racial aliens as if that's some new Discovery poo poo, Worf and Tuvok were pretty deliberate moves in this direction.
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Oct 6, 2017 22:17
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Tighclops posted:I don't understand all the "if you took the Star Trek stuff out, I'd probably like it!" comments. If you take out all the Star Trek bits (as fluffy and inconsequential as most of it's been so far in this show) out what you're left with is a more expensive and less impressive version of The Expanse, without most of the hooks that made that show interesting. Agreed, STD is garbage in multiple ways.
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Oct 6, 2017 22:19
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Does the holodeck provide a soundtrack? Can Picard hear the saxophone playing in the background?
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skasion posted:I dunno why he'd bring up multi racial aliens as if that's some new Discovery poo poo, Worf and Tuvok were pretty deliberate moves in this direction.
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