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1st_Panzer_Div. posted:In that case I'm in. To make organizing the matches easier, what's your steam name? Or join the warhammer pvp discord: https://discord.gg/gjDJUpQ
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Ze Pollack posted:Sooo that's the Tomb Kings. Protip: do not steal their poo poo. The one thing Settra will always, always, give his subject kings the go-ahead to do is murder a fucker who stole their poo poo. It will take them a while to track you down, and it might take their legions generations to get to you, and it might take them more than one try. But steal from those who defied death, and sooner or later death comes for you. This sounds like a recipe for eternal grudgewar if the Dwarfs get involved in this mess. 
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DeathSandwich posted:My guess is the multi-game grand campaign is going to take place 'after' the game 1 grand campaign meaning most of the lesser factions of the Empire, Brettonia, Welves, Dwarves, and Vampire Counts are all now united under their respective faction leader's banner. All of them will have new goals relating to that vortex whatsit so a theoretical Total Warhammer 2 Wood elf grand campaign would probably play differently than what we've currently got. Game 1 is a self-contained series of events that likely won't be expanded. If what you're saying is true, then the End Times isn't really the final point on the timeline (which it is). The "Age of Peace" is straight up just a sandbox for the player that says "okay we ran out of poo poo to throw at you, paint the map if you want". Remember, the End Times is supposed to be the final point for Empire and other races, right alongside "wipe out all vampires and unite the provinces". If the events take place after the End Times, then the WoC are dead and buried, and the dwarfs/greenskins/vamps/Empire should have wiped out their respective rivals. The multi-game grand campaign is likely going to have the respective races' immediate interests streamlined so Franz has major rivals like a Nordland power bloc and the Vampires and Orc Incursions to contend with, and if he beats them all he becomes a world power, probably by the same period that the End Times would start and the Vortex events are finishing. By streamlining that first part, it enables the player the ability to also get involved with some other conflict while doing stuff at home, like by invading the New World or eating some mummies. It also enables the Vortex and its consequences to be something the player gets to gently caress with, but not being the focus of the campaign for the races that don't give a poo poo unless demons are pouring out of it. Also, raiding the Tomb Kings would make its raider fabulously wealthy so it makes sense that loving with the Tomb Kings should be a thing that occurs during/before a factions' primary concerns are handled. For Greenskins, they can eat some mummies and use the gold to kill dwarfs. Empire can use the gold to prepare for Chaos/Norsca, Vamps can use it to murder the Empire. jokes fucked around with this message at 21:42 on Aug 15, 2017 |
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Danann posted:This sounds like a recipe for eternal grudgewar if the Dwarfs get involved in this mess. I vaguely remember a story about a grudgewar actually happeneing because some dwarf lord had inadvertantly forged a Tomb King artifact into a hammer and the Tomb kings basically destroyed the hold to get it back. Also IIRC there are a (very small) number of actually-still-living Nehekhara people living in Tomb King lands that are protected about as fiercely as their treasures.
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Danann posted:This sounds like a recipe for eternal grudgewar if the Dwarfs get involved in this mess. There is a war in the Lore between Karak Azul and the Tomb Kings of Mahrak. An Orc Waaagh stole Karak Azul's sacred heirloom, the hammer of Algrim, and were wiped out while looting Mahrak. King Alkharad of Mahrak placed a bronze disk in the hammer's head to commemorate this victory, and kept it as a spoil of war. Karak Azul called a grudge, charged in, and reclaimed the hammer. Mahrak's Tomb Kings stopped their infighting and retaliated to reclaim the hammer. This war has been going for more than 2,000 years on and off, continues to the present day of Warhammer, and the Hammer of Algrim has changed hands several dozen times.
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DeathSandwich posted:I vaguely remember a story about a grudgewar actually happeneing because some dwarf lord had inadvertantly forged a Tomb King artifact into a hammer and the Tomb kings basically destroyed the hold to get it back. Yeah I recall that as well. There's also a few Araby cities under Khemri occupation, and for the most part it's just standard Old World life as always. Just that all the guards and officials are skeletons.
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Dartonus posted:There is a war in the Lore between Karak Azul and the Tomb Kings of Mahrak. An Orc Waaagh stole Karak Azul's sacred heirloom, the hammer of Algrim, and were wiped out while looting Mahrak. King Alkharad of Mahrak placed a bronze disk in the hammer's head to commemorate this victory, and kept it as a spoil of war. Karak Azul called a grudge, charged in, and reclaimed the hammer. Mahrak's Tomb Kings stopped their infighting and retaliated to reclaim the hammer. Greenskins bring folks together.
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Blooming Brilliant posted:Yeah I recall that as well. There's also a few Araby cities under Khemri occupation, and for the most part it's just standard Old World life as always. Just that all the guards and officials are skeletons. They actually take their duty to any living subjects as seriously as they would anything else. As long as you follow the laws and all you'll be fine living under the mummies.
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Don't vampires also treat their living subjects decently? Kinda like how ants will protect aphids because the ants benefit from them?
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Aug 15, 2017 21:48
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I think when that comes up the consensus is that vamps treat their subjects better than their contemporaries, which is to say better than absolute garbage. More like cattle. They protect from raiders, help against famine, etc., but they still live in a part of the world where werewolves run around, ghouls and such wake up from time to time, and man-eating bats are just a thing that happens. Also they live in near-permanent night.
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Aug 15, 2017 21:54
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Panfilo posted:Don't vampires also treat their living subjects decently? Kinda like how ants will protect aphids because the ants benefit from them? Decently as we treat cows. Which is to say, some vamp Lord's are like free range farms. Others have more of a vegan pamflet approach to the living.
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Aug 15, 2017 21:55
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Panfilo posted:Don't vampires also treat their living subjects decently? Kinda like how ants will protect aphids because the ants benefit from them? Not really, no. I mean, yes, you'll live just fine, if you don't mind friends disappearing every once in a while and the land itself slowly loving you up because of death energies flowing through it and the punishment for almost every crime ending up with you as dinner.
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still, they're better off than bret peasants i think mannfred is kind of a oval office but vlad is a stand-up guy
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Aug 15, 2017 21:57
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Also to be exact Vlad was a decent ruler. Mannfred and Konrad were assholes and it was not any better there then the lovely parts of the Empire. (The biggest compliment was that taxes were lower.)
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Aug 15, 2017 21:58
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warhammer is unique in that being a vampire or a mummy has no bearing on how evil you are. it's just that a majority of people in warhammer are pretty evil to begin with.
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Aug 15, 2017 21:59
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Lets be honest, It's kind of lovely to be a peasant in Brettonia, Sylvania, and the Empire, although each area is lovely in it's own unique way.
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Aug 15, 2017 22:00
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juggalo baby coffin posted:warhammer is unique in that being a vampire or a mummy has no bearing on how evil you are. it's just that a majority of people in warhammer are pretty evil to begin with. The tomb kings are not really mummies, they are more Liches.
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I wonder what kind of roster we will see for the Mung and the other non-Norscan Chaos factions on the map, trimmed down Chaos like old Norsca, full on Norsca roster or a trimmed down one? I wouldn't bet my money on them getting horse-archers and poo poo.
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Good people in Warhammer: I guess only a couple within the purview of their own societies since they all mostly need to double as heads of state and military. Franz, for example, is maybe "good" in that he doesn't just conquer and run a massive civil war but instead tries to put out fires with diplomacy and shows of force and is about uniting the provinces not eating his neighbors. Grimgor, on the other hand, is "good" in that he's real good at bringing fights to the orcs that they, as a faction, ultimately win. Which is like 99% of the things they care about. Then there are bad guys that are both dicks and are also unsuccessful at their stated goals like Mannfred. I'd say Gelt fit the bill too by murdering thousands of his countrymen attempting to get relics for his own collection, but honestly it's better he gets them than the various necromancers, tribesmen, rivals, etc. who might do poo poo contrary to the Empire's interest. sidenote: what is the name of the over-arching name of the land that contains the Empire's various provinces and also the vampire lands.
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juggalo baby coffin posted:warhammer is unique in that being a vampire or a mummy has no bearing on how evil you are. it's just that a majority of people in warhammer are pretty evil to begin with. Being a vampire does - the whole eating people thing fucks you up something fierce when you mix it in with what dark magic does to you. Being a mummy just means you're too old for this poo poo and git off mah lawn you drat kids you're not even a millenium old.
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Apparently TotalBiscuit is going to be streaming Warhammer II gameplay on Thursday. Not my first choice but I'll watch it anyway probably
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my dad posted:Being a vampire does - the whole eating people thing fucks you up something fierce when you mix it in with what dark magic does to you. Being a mummy just means you're too old for this poo poo and git off mah lawn you drat kids you're not even a millenium old. Yeah, it's important to note that Vlad was a decent ruler but not a decent person - he was just Lawful Evil to Mannfred's Neutral Evil and Konrad's Chaotic Stupid. Dude's still a vampire that wants to take over the world and bring about an endless night where his kind reign supreme, he's just not as much of an rear end to the smallfolk about it.
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The old Strigoi kingdoms were the only ones where humans were actually treated well. Unfortunately the other vampires hosed that up for them. Since then life under vampires has varied based on who your particular vampire lord is from "well governed peasant" under Vlad to "literal veal farms" like under Konrad. With the Tomb Kings though the living are their descendants, their still living legacy. That is something more than all their tomb ornaments and monuments. As far as I know no one, bar Nagash, is dumb enough to target the living population of Nehekhara.
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So do I actually have to keep killing Morghur or is he just going to sit there until I fully upgrade the Oak? Is there a time limit?
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What exactly determines when the chaos invasion arrives? I've seen it everywhere from turn 20 to 50. Is there a certain number of settlements I need to stay under if I don't want them to show up yet?
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Psycho Landlord posted:Yeah, it's important to note that Vlad was a decent ruler but not a decent person - he was just Lawful Evil to Mannfred's Neutral Evil and Konrad's Chaotic Stupid. Dude's still a vampire that wants to take over the world and bring about an endless night where his kind reign supreme, he's just not as much of an rear end to the smallfolk about it. Vlad isn't even really a decent ruler to loyal subjects. The huge party where Vlad revealed his and his followers' vampirism to the world involved the wholesale murder and butchery of every single non-vampire invited to the party, virtually all of whom were nobles who had pledged their loyalty to Vlad(which is why they got party invites in the first place). Vlad was just smart enough to realize that vampires need to eat and produce more vampires, and humans are the stock from which both food and vampires come from, so cultivating strong and relatively healthy livestock improves both your food source and your vampire source. Mannfred was also relatively okay about this, to the point of torturing and murdering a loyal vampire who had been watching over Drakenhof in his absence because said loyal vampire had slaughtered and impaled a ton of peasants in a hugely wasteful manner.
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Ze Pollack posted:Tomb Kings backstory: My only quibble is that I'd describe Settra more as Alexander the Great meets Qin Shi Huang, but otherwise this is perfect 
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Agnostalgia posted:What exactly determines when the chaos invasion arrives? I've seen it everywhere from turn 20 to 50. Is there a certain number of settlements I need to stay under if I don't want them to show up yet? It's I believe some combination of randomly determined with higher chances of it showing up as you conquer more territory and more of the minor factions start disappearing. Generally no matter how fast I've done it, when I play as the Empire, the Storm of Chaos generally starts in earnest right around the time I've confederated the southlands and merced all the sabertooth assholes in Sylvania.
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unwantedplatypus posted:Apparently TotalBiscuit is going to be streaming Warhammer II gameplay on Thursday. Not my first choice but I'll watch it anyway probably Please tell me someone else is getting this privilege too. God I do not want to watch TB.
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my dad posted:Not really, no. I mean, yes, you'll live just fine, if you don't mind friends disappearing every once in a while and the land itself slowly loving you up because of death energies flowing through it and the punishment for almost every crime ending up with you as dinner. Sounds like a Libertarian paradise!  "Sure my neighbors got eaten by Bat Boy and my corn stalks are growing fangs and hissing at me, but at least the taxes are low! Better than living in that socialist hell they call Brettonia!"
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Nehekhara is not-Egypt, if anything Settra is Rameses II. Most powerful Pharaoh ever, and expanded Egypt's borders to their historical greatest limit. He outlived some of his own heirs. If you're a peasant working the fields along the Nile and your life expectancy is 25, you could easily believe that the old Pharaoh, who has reigned since before your granddaddy was born, is a god. Alexander the Great smdh at you dolts
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unwantedplatypus posted:Apparently TotalBiscuit is going to be streaming Warhammer II gameplay on Thursday. Not my first choice but I'll watch it anyway probably Hope you guys like 5 hours of him bitching about the options menu.
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Panfilo posted:Sounds like a Libertarian paradise! Amazingly, it really would still be better than Bretonnia.
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Senor Dog posted:Carcassonne has the easy, boring start now IMO. Also you're mega wrong about my knight bros they rule and you should leave the peasants in their dumb fields. Once you confederate all of French Land don't forget to use all three of your Legendary Lords. The penalties for lazy made me very sad I tried using Fey lady as an income person, along with water boy and I took some nasty penalties to my Chivalry. It also didn't help I was sacking everyone like a Norscan.Oh, and gently caress the Wood Elfs.
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Senor Dog posted:I play on hard because I'm a little baby The game is really designed to be played on hard. Very hard and legendary just add a bunch of tedium and unfun bullshit.
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Pendent posted:The game is really designed to be played on hard. Very hard and legendary just add a bunch of tedium and unfun bullshit. Yeah, I'm probably only ever gonna play on Hard (with normal battles because I never like the idea of the enemy bot's troops just being statistically better) with AI and roster mods layered on to add to the challenge.
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So Reddit is speculating (cue groans) that tomorrow will be the Skaven reveal during CA's official stream. So it could be two distinct days of Warhammer 2 streams and press.
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Gonkish posted:So Reddit is speculating (cue groans) that tomorrow will be the Skaven reveal during CA's official stream. So it could be two distinct days of Warhammer 2 streams and press. I've been enjoying the fake secrecy about skaven enough that I might actually stop following updates about the game until it comes out just so I can go in clean without knowing their roster and mechanics and everything.
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