|
JoshTheStampede posted:So apparently post civil war there'll be a new Ewing ongoing called US Avengers. Starring Sunspot, Cannonball, Pod, Red Hulk, Squirrel Girl, a new Iron Patriot, and Danielle Cage. Considering Sunspot kicked himself out of New Avengers during Standoff and there was a big ol' "Time to form the SECRET AVENGERS" complete with logo dialog box I assume this US Avengers stuff is just following through on that idea.
|
#
?
Jul 1, 2016 16:02
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 10, 2024 22:19 |
|
|
And I guess Ewing has time to write another book now that Contest is cancelled.
|
|
#
?
Jul 1, 2016 16:06
|
|
|
JoshTheStampede posted:And I guess Ewing has time to write another book now that Contest is cancelled. I need more Ewing in my life. Ultimates is so much my jam. I've only read the first four Contest issues though.
|
|
#
?
Jul 1, 2016 16:14
|
|
|
Toxxupation posted:The point was Damian established himself as Robin while Tim Drake was around and literally calling himself "Red Robin", which is the thinnest possible loving variation to the point that it's transparent. Tim Drake has also been increasingly marginalized because of this. he is the 'also-ran' Robin at this point with a convoluted backstory, much less focus than his counterparts and almost nothing in common with the character he used to be. Damien is Robin, Dick is Nightwing, Jason is Red Hood, Tim Drake is that guy they throw in sometimes when they remember he exists. Pretending like Tim Drake is remotely in the same position he was when he was Real Robin is silly. Half the Bat-writers barely remember he exists at this point. IIRC he's not even on either of the Titans teams now. (It's Damian and Nightwing respectively.) Toxxupation posted:And the point was I was directly repudiating a flat declarative "legacy characters can't co-exist with the originals/the originals automatically marginalize the legacies by existing" statement, because it happened and it worked for Batman. And if it can happen for Batman, the single most legacy-averse character in all of comics considering the genetics of the character, then it can happen for anyone. It didn't work for Batman.Yes, the two characters co-existed briefly. This happens sometimes and it always ends up with the 'other' dying, getting changed to a new superhero identity or otherwise getting written out. Which is exactly what happened to Dick where he went back to being Nightwing.
|
|
#
?
Jul 1, 2016 16:16
|
|
|
Norns posted:I need more Ewing in my life. You read Loki: Agent of Asgard? Some of the dude's best work.
|
|
#
?
Jul 1, 2016 16:18
|
|
|
ImpAtom posted:Tim Drake has also been increasingly marginalized because of this. he is the 'also-ran' Robin at this point with a convoluted backstory, much less focus than his counterparts and almost nothing in common with the character he used to be. Damien is Robin, Dick is Nightwing, Jason is Red Hood, Tim Drake is that guy they throw in sometimes when they remember he exists. Pretending like Tim Drake is remotely in the same position he was when he was Real Robin is silly. Half the Bat-writers barely remember he exists at this point. IIRC he's not even on either of the Titans teams now. (It's Damian and Nightwing respectively.) Then that's the legacy character overtaking the "original" in popularity, reinforcing my point. The "original" character was written poorly and given poor stories (which is a creative, not a popularity issue) when Damian came on the scene, which is entirely a problem with the way DC editorial handled the characters and not some flat fiat about how it's impossible for two characters with the same or similar titles to co-exist. quote:It didn't work for Batman.Yes, the two characters co-existed briefly. This happens sometimes and it always ends up with the 'other' dying, getting changed to a new superhero identity or otherwise getting written out. Which is exactly what happened to Dick where he went back to being Nightwing. They co-existed fine until Flashpoint came and ruined everything, because - and this is my entire point - DC editorial is loving trash and ruined a good thing. The whole point I'm making is that Dick Grayson was considered by the fanbase and by the sales numbers a legitimate Batman who carried a book at the same time Bruce Wayne was off on his international adventures, and it's only when DC did yet another one of their godawful line-wide reboots that it was hosed up. There's not a single issue of Batman and Robin where Dick Grayson isn't Batman, including post-Return of Bruce Wayne.
|
|
#
?
Jul 1, 2016 16:27
|
|
|
And yet if you ask people (comics readers, non-comics readers, whoever) who Batman is 100% of them will say Bruce Wayne without a second thought.
|
|
#
?
Jul 1, 2016 16:37
|
|
|
Toxxupation posted:Then that's the legacy character overtaking the "original" in popularity, reinforcing my point. No it isn't? Tim Drake isn't the original. He had a good long run because they were careful *not* to have him overlap with anyone else. Dick was Nightwing, Jason was dead and Tim was Robin. As soon as there was competition he was massively marginalized because he wasn't the original and wasn't the new hotness. The Robin situation is more complex in that it's a legacy replacing a legacy replacing a legacy replacing a legacy but has never been in real competition with the original because the original got a rare successful rebrand (Nightwing) and so there's been no push to make him Robin again. If for some reason they decided to return Dick Grayson to being Robin, it would not end well for Damian who would have to be rebranded as Batson or something. The Robin situation is in fact exactly proof of what I'm saying. These characters can co-exist because they get rebranded into new heroes, they're not all Robin. The only two who remotely share an identity show that one of them can't sustain it and in this case it's the legacy hero being eclipsed by a newer shinier legacy hero, not by the original. This isn't uncommon and the only unique thing about Tim Drake is that he lasted as long as he did and that was, again, because for a good long time he was The Robin with no competition whatsoever. He's only clinging on now because of that abnormally long legacy and those legacies lasted as long as they did because DC Editorial was careful not to compromise them rather than going Full Geoff Johns like they have recently. With Marvel, the "legacy hero" thing is instead done by temporarily shuffling of identities. And maybe you're optimistic but I'm not because I've seen these a thousand times before and there's no reason for me to assume that *this* is the time where Sam Wilson will REALLY remain Captain America for reals and not go back to being The Falcon at some point in the relatively near future. (Probably not until the Hydra Cap plotline is done for obvious reasons.)
|
|
#
?
Jul 1, 2016 17:04
|
|
|
JoshTheStampede posted:So apparently post civil war there'll be a new Ewing ongoing called US Avengers. Starring Sunspot, Cannonball, Pod, Red Hulk, Squirrel Girl, a new Iron Patriot, and Danielle Cage.  My god that stache is glorious
|
|
#
?
Jul 1, 2016 17:33
|
|
|
For some reason I thought Red Hulk was depowered and I'm not sure why.
|
|
#
?
Jul 1, 2016 17:35
|
|
|
achillesforever6 posted:
Sorry, General Treister, you're only the second-best mustachioed Red Hulk now. 
|
|
#
?
Jul 1, 2016 17:39
|
|
|
achillesforever6 posted:
With the dyed hair and the specific proportions of the bulky suit, I wonder if the new Iron Patriot is Darla Deering
|
|
#
?
Jul 1, 2016 17:45
|
|
achillesforever6 posted:
Who's that artist? Something about those faces is very offputting.
|
|
|
#
?
Jul 1, 2016 17:46
|
|
|
Mover posted:With the dyed hair and the specific proportions of the bulky suit, I wonder if the new Iron Patriot is Darla Deering Nope, it's Toni Ho.
|
|
#
?
Jul 1, 2016 17:47
|
|
|
ImpAtom posted:For some reason I thought Red Hulk was depowered and I'm not sure why. He was, in the last Hulk series. I guess either that series kinda got swept away post-SW or Sunspot's science squad is gonna repower him.
|
|
#
?
Jul 1, 2016 17:47
|
|
|
Mover posted:With the dyed hair and the specific proportions of the bulky suit, I wonder if the new Iron Patriot is Darla Deering  Lurdiak posted:Who's that artist? Something about those faces is very offputting.
|
|
#
?
Jul 1, 2016 17:48
|
|
|
achillesforever6 posted:
I know that it's the barrel of the tank, but I like to imagine that Red Hulk's kneecap is also a gun.
|
|
#
?
Jul 1, 2016 17:48
|
|
|
What's up with Bobby and the Nate Grey look?
|
|
#
?
Jul 1, 2016 17:51
|
|
|
Heathen posted:What's up with Bobby and the Nate Grey look? He's dying of M-Pox, maybe that makes your hair streak. \/\/ Yeah, my wife loves USG but won't read New Avengers because she hates how Paco Medina draws Doreen with the teeth, but that costume is pretty rad. JoshTheStampede fucked around with this message at 18:06 on Jul 1, 2016 |
|
#
?
Jul 1, 2016 17:52
|
|
|
I really hope that Squirrel Girl redesign sticks because it's so good.
|
|
#
?
Jul 1, 2016 17:58
|
|
|
That's really just her current look with the wrong colors. And more cleavage.
|
|
|
#
?
Jul 1, 2016 18:05
|
|
|
Lurdiak posted:That's really just her current look with the wrong colors. And more cleavage. Yeah, but the red top/brown belt looks way better than the brown top/red belt.
|
|
#
?
Jul 1, 2016 18:08
|
|
|
Lurdiak posted:That's really just her current look with the wrong colors. And more cleavage. Her hair's better, the googles are new, the cravat is a fun addition, I love the leather jacket, and I'm glad the boots are going in more of a Batgirl of Burnside direction.
|
|
#
?
Jul 1, 2016 18:11
|
|
|
Well, I hate it. I'd much rather she go back to her goofy classic look, if she's gonna change.
|
|
|
#
?
Jul 1, 2016 18:14
|
|
|
It woudln't surprise me if she stuck to her current look in USG and wore the red when doing Avengers stuff.
|
|
#
?
Jul 1, 2016 18:17
|
|
|
JoshTheStampede posted:It woudln't surprise me if she stuck to her current look in USG and wore the red when doing Avengers stuff. I thought that was obviously what's going on considering it's red and white
|
|
#
?
Jul 1, 2016 18:26
|
|
|
This Deadpool: Too Soon? miniseries sounds like it'll be really good.
|
|
#
?
Jul 1, 2016 18:28
|
|
|
Red Hulk's costume rules. Danielle Cage's is terrible still. Also, love the GIJoe vibe.
|
|
#
?
Jul 1, 2016 19:10
|
|
|
achillesforever6 posted:
Can't wait to buy that SG costume in Marvel heroes. Maybe the new Red Hulk is Tom Selleck? I really want to see Deadpool and Doreen interact. Deadpool will probably be able to talk to squirrels, and bring up her and Wolverines encounter.
|
|
#
?
Jul 1, 2016 19:13
|
|
|
More Ewing writing Sunspot is the best thing. He's nailing the character so hard, totally picked up the ball where Hickman left it and ran it out of the stadium and a mile down the road. Bless this man for not just taking the character in a completely backwards or different direction.
|
|
#
?
Jul 1, 2016 19:14
|
|
|
Who is Danielle cage?
|
|
#
?
Jul 1, 2016 19:22
|
|
|
Mr Hootington posted:Who is Danielle cage? Luke and Jessica Jones' daughter, grown up, from the future. She showed up in New Avengers before, issue #5. According to the Marvel Wiki, shes' from the year 20XX, which I guess is different from 2099 where Roberta Mendez, the Captain America from Spider-Man 2099, is from.
|
|
#
?
Jul 1, 2016 19:33
|
|
|
DrProsek posted:Luke and Jessica Jones' daughter, grown up, from the future. She showed up in New Avengers before, issue #5.
|
|
#
?
Jul 1, 2016 19:42
|
|
|
redbackground posted:Is she the one from Ultron Forever? Indeed she is! According to my Googling, Danielle also appeared in Ultimates at least once.
|
|
#
?
Jul 1, 2016 20:01
|
|
|
Why? Why did we need two of them running around? Lol
|
|
#
?
Jul 1, 2016 20:04
|
|
|
Will Iron Marriner and Ant Nova show up too?
|
|
#
?
Jul 1, 2016 20:06
|
|
|
I'm disappointed by sexy Pod.
|
|
#
?
Jul 1, 2016 20:18
|
|
|
USAvengers looks great. More young heroes quitting! 
|
|
#
?
Jul 1, 2016 20:23
|
|
|
X-O posted:USAvengers looks great. Young Scott can join my new Young Avengers. I wonder if Doreen will have a Squirrel wearing a Uncle Sam costume?
|
|
#
?
Jul 1, 2016 21:32
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 10, 2024 22:19 |
|
|
July 5th? That's a Tuesday, what the gently caress is happening then?
|
|
#
?
Jul 1, 2016 21:32
|
|