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WHY do they all remember this loving torture table
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Oct 22, 2017 03:59
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This is like an X-files episode
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Oct 22, 2017 03:59
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Oct 22, 2017 04:03
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Oct 22, 2017 04:09
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At least they've got a plan. Really anticipating seeing what these things are.
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Oct 22, 2017 04:14
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This is the scariest thing that's happened in TNG.
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Oct 22, 2017 04:16
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The sound they make is something I'll never forget.
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Oct 22, 2017 04:17
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I love Riker offhandedly phasering them as he rescues the other abductee. So satisfying
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Oct 22, 2017 04:21
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Dr. Video Games 0081 posted:It's not clear to me how Data makes his choices about what actions to take and interests to pursue if he really didn't have emotions. He doesn't have a narrow directive that he has to follow, and he repeatedly undertakes various open-ended activities that at the same time reveal a consistent personality and sensibility. A being without a specific object to achieve and without emotions that direct its behavior would be a nightmarish whirlwind of inconsistent actions, I think. Being inconsistent would make him less humanlike, so he factors in a consistency score when assessing his decisions.
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Oct 22, 2017 04:21
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Whoa it's leaving a dangling thread with the probe that came through. They don't do that much.
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Oct 22, 2017 04:23
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The Chad Scotty: Jury rigs an ancient ship to defeat the largest man-made object in the universe. No casualties despite great boldness of his plan The Virgin Geordi: Tries to make a safe, easy tweak to his ship, gets one crewmember killed and several traumatized, introduces malevolent force to our plane of existence, just so he could increase scanner efficiency by 25%
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Oct 22, 2017 04:28
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There is a Star Trek: Titan book that follows up on these aliens that I thought was pretty well done. I always thought they should have been brought back in another episode.
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Oct 22, 2017 04:30
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Gammatron 64 posted:Safe? The third episode of the Orville covered a pretty hot button topic, and I'm glad they did an episode that ballsy 3 episodes in. It's also a show that is purposefully retro sci-fi with comedy blended in so I'm not sure if I would call it "safe." If Seth McFarlane didn't already have a license to print money, most studio execs would see his idea for a show and tell him to gently caress off because it would be viewed as suicide. I'm completely with you on this, and to me now it's much more likely that Orville of all things will get ballsy with stories while STD won't.
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Oct 22, 2017 04:36
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FlamingLiberal posted:There is a Star Trek: Titan book that follows up on these aliens that I thought was pretty well done. I always thought they should have been brought back in another episode. They are also a villain (or villainous minions, anyway) in STO, as pawns of the Iconians. Worf leads you through one of their subspace bases and gets Schisms flashbacks.
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Dr. Video Games 0081 posted:It's not clear to me how Data makes his choices about what actions to take and interests to pursue if he really didn't have emotions. He doesn't have a narrow directive that he has to follow, and he repeatedly undertakes various open-ended activities that at the same time reveal a consistent personality and sensibility. A being without a specific object to achieve and without emotions that direct its behavior would be a nightmarish whirlwind of inconsistent actions, I think.
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Oct 22, 2017 04:48
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At first I thought Jeb was watching the other late-TNG episode where Riker gets space madness, Frame of Mind I hope that one's on the list to watch
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Pieces of Peace posted:They are also a villain (or villainous minions, anyway) in STO, as pawns of the Iconians. Worf leads you through one of their subspace bases and gets Schisms flashbacks. Is Michael Dorn's voice in that game?
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Nessus posted:It seems clear to me that Data has emotions if perhaps not nearly as strongly or with a full range as the human/Klingon/not-robot members of the crew, but he does not have the innate ability to comprehend them, so they just seem like elementary logic to him. Since they are not very strong they do not often present him with major inconsistencies, and Soong probably was like "Sometimes you'll prefer one thing over another for no real reason at all, don't sweat it, buddy!" He has emotions and I'll brook no argument.
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Oct 22, 2017 04:51
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Jeb! Repetition posted:He has emotions and I'll brook no argument.
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Nessus posted:I was agreeing with you with nuance, Jeb! I know, I was just warning everyone else.
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Is Michael Dorn's voice in that game? Yeah, he's (post-DS9) Worf in the intro Klingon quests and then some all-faction Iconian stuff in a later patch. Considering just how much voice acting he does these days, it would have been goddamn sad if a Star Trek game with Worf himself in it couldn't get Dorn. They've been advertising Levar in a recent patch too, as Captain LaForge of the Enterprise-… F? G? Not the pizza cutter yet. Maybe it's the long-lost Ent-E, I forget the game canon.
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Oct 22, 2017 04:57
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If only modern Trek (poo poo, modern anything) would just swing for the fences like this once in a while.
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Oct 22, 2017 04:58
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Captain Laforge of the Challenger. It's the ship he commanded in an alternate future Voyager episode.
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Frionnel posted:I'm completely with you on this, and to me now it's much more likely that Orville of all things will get ballsy with stories while STD won't. Absolutely. If you think STD is gonna do any episodes like "Far Beyond the Stars", "The City on the Edge of Forever" or "I, Borg", you're fuckin' high. One thing that's great about the episode of Orville I'm talking about is that there's actually a legitimate debate about it. I mean yeah, I sided with the crew of the Orville, and Bortus's race is totally wrong when they say women are inferior, but when they say that the child is going to have a hard time growing up and will be viewed as a freak, I can understand that. The answer isn't totally clear. It's also not really an action show where people are fighting and killing each other all the time. In a lot of the best Star Trek episodes, nobody shoots a single laser and nothing explodes. My favorite Star Trek movie is the Voyage Home, and it doesn't even have a villain in it. It has no bad guy. They just have a problem they need to solve. Arrival was my favorite sci-fi movie of the past few years. Most of the movie is just Amy Adams trying to figure out how to talk to aliens. She doesn't have a gun, she isn't shooting anyone, she's just trying to figure out how to talk to these big squid things. And that's really interesting. A lot of people are like "oh man, Star Trek is really boring, because it's just a bunch of people standing around talking about stuff. That sucks. We need more action." Anyone who feels that way can frankly suck my dick.
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Jeb! Repetition posted:He has emotions and I'll brook no argument. My feeling is that he couldn't NOT have emotions.
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McSpanky posted:If only modern Trek (poo poo, modern anything) would just swing for the fences like this once in a while.  Gammatron 64 posted:Safe? The third episode of the Orville covered a pretty hot button topic, and I'm glad they did an episode that ballsy 3 episodes in. It's also a show that is purposefully retro sci-fi with comedy blended in so I'm not sure if I would call it "safe." If Seth McFarlane didn't already have a license to print money, most studio execs would see his idea for a show and tell him to gently caress off because it would be viewed as suicide. So ballsy it copied an episode of TNG down to the ending? Gammatron 64 posted:Absolutely. Except the Orville has had more space battles and fatalities than Discovery in less episodes. Oops. I would put bets between the two of them that Discovery comes up with a good episode first, if based only on the fact that it's characters are invested in their own universe.
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Moriatti posted:So ballsy it copied an episode of TNG down to the ending? If you know enough about the episodes in question to make these observations you also know enough about their contexts to understand in how much bad faith these arguments are, you odious little gremlin.
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McSpanky posted:If you know enough about the episodes in question to make these observations you also know enough about their contexts to understand in how much bad faith these arguments are, you odious little gremlin. You seem really mad that I like one show more than I like another. Orville presents the lives lost by enemies as something to be celebrated, but in Discovery we see the Klingons passing on hope and wisdom to each other. Maybe because Discovery wants us to remember that even bad people are people. Maybe that's why they show us Lorca at vulnerable moments, why they showed us T'Kuvma at vulnerable moments. "Bad Faith." Please don't resort to namecalling. EDIT: To reiterate, I like both shows. I just think Discovery is a better show and I also like it more.
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Oct 22, 2017 06:17
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Discovery is bad and Orville is good, hope this helps.
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McSpanky posted:If you know enough about the episodes in question to make these observations you also know enough about their contexts to understand in how much bad faith these arguments are, you odious little gremlin. Woah tap the brakes a sec he's comparing two Trek episodes not two Hitlers.
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Peachfart posted:Discovery is bad and Orville is good, hope this helps. What if they were both only decent?
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Oct 22, 2017 06:20
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Moriatti posted:What if they were both only decent? We need to reverse the transporter accident and restore them to a single, functional show!
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Oct 22, 2017 06:26
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Guys, shut up about this "new" TV, Jeb's on the countdown to "Chain of Command." It makes sense that they would put some lighter stories first, 'cause... poo poo be heavy. I know I said "Quality of Life" is sort of an "Evoltion" redux, but also builds on some ongoing Data stuff, so you definitely watch it. And "True Q", because Always Be Watching John De Lancie.
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Moriatti posted:What if they were both only decent? They'd be the most successful Season 1s of Star Trek since TOS.
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Moriatti posted:What if they were both only decent? If only, but that isn't the world we live in.
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Hi thread. Today I had the privilege of seeing the  The only all  TNG inspired musical improv team in the known universe.They asked for a TNG episode that didn't exist and my brain just locked up. I am without honor. Data's Diet: Data wants to be more human, Troi eats a chocolate sundae, and Riker sits on a chair backwards. and then they gently caress.
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Thinking that episode 3 of the Orville was "ballsy" might be the worst opinion I've ever read.
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