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SteelMentor posted:Even the Milkshake Duck guy ended up Milkshake Duck'ing himself, it's hard not to be skeptical. haha what
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TheMaestroso posted:It's hard to know for sure, because the guy doesn't say much on his twitter about things that aren't game-related, but I think he was just happy to get the bump. It's possible he doesn't actually know the issues people have with TB. I find it really hard to believe that someone fairly engaged in the video game "sphere" like Joseph is can be completely ignorant of TB's past actions.
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Kim Justice posted:That's fine, I wasn't asking for any sympathy. He didn't agree with what Hyde said, but apparently not enough to tell him to shut up in the middle of his rant advocating violence, and even then he still laughed along with it, as if it was some sort of harmless joke. The apologetics here is insane, the guy has profited off alt-right memery, had lengthy documented conversations with important figures of the Alt-Right, Hyde and Sargon of Akkad etc.  ...How dare i insinuate that this man has anything to do with the alt-right What's worse is that even Fantano knows this, which is why he took the coward's way out and deleted/took down/hid his videos from his meme channel, which is odd if you truly believed your content wasn't appropiating alt-right memes surely you'd keep it up, right? Ash Crimson fucked around with this message at 14:49 on Oct 11, 2017 |
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Old Swerdlow posted:I am very upset to hear about Joseph Anderson, a creator of some great video game critique videos, associating with Totalbiscuit's crew. If I was a struggling youtube critic with a chance to latch onto someone as popular as TB and maybe make enough money to survive off of I'd totally throw away my dignity and do so I'm no TB fan but I would easily justify that to myself, my integrity isn't worth that much. TBH being realistic I would probably even do it for someone like JonTron even though I won't watch his stuff after his shithead racist stuff, money talks and for all his shithead views JonTron keeps it all out of his videos and channel persona. In this case when it's 'just' TB I'd not even be disappointed.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Don't tell people to kill themselves. Tell them that they'll be the first ones up against the wall, or on the guillotine. But only if they say Bad Things.
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Insurrectionist posted:If I was a struggling youtube critic with a chance to latch onto someone as popular as TB and maybe make enough money to survive off of I'd totally throw away my dignity and do so With a culture as toxic as the video game community has I really do need to just cut out people who encourage or are passive in the face of such toxicity for my own personal and mental health. I don't have the stamina to give anyone the benefit of the doubt at this time when it is hardly asking much at all to make a stance on the simple issue of respecting others. Associating oneself with toxic people makes them complicit and accepting of their actions and opinions.
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AriadneThread posted:haha Dude said some transphobic poo poo, got called out on it then inadvertently sic'd his followers on one of the people who called him out. When called out on that he doubled down, then started a paranoid spree of blocking anyone who disagreed/followed anyone who disagreed.
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Old Swerdlow posted:With a culture as toxic as the video game community has I really do need to just cut out people who encourage or are passive in the face of such toxicity for my own personal and mental health. I don't have the stamina to give anyone the benefit of the doubt at this time when it is hardly asking much at all to make a stance on the simple issue of respecting others. Associating oneself with toxic people makes them complicit and accepting of their actions and opinions. Oh of course, there's a ton of people talking on youtube anyway and it's not a very difficult decision. Like I mentioned I myself don't watch TB or JonTron because of their shithead opinions (and also because TB videos are like three times as long as they should be). I'm just saying I easily could see why Joseph Anderson or some other Youtube personality would join up even if they knew about and agreed that TB's said some bad stuff and holds bad opinions and would probably do it myself if I was in the same position, so thinking/hoping that maybe he's ignorant of that stuff rather than choosing to ignore it seems a little optimistic. It's easy to justify that to yourself if it means a chance of setting up your bills to pay in advance every month instead of hoping your youtube revenue doesn't dip by 20% from last time so you can still afford it. You just tell yourself it's not like TB is (whatever youtube personality is worse, like Sargon or some poo poo) and then that you can totally help moderate his stance and try and convince him otherwise and ta-da.
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SteelMentor posted:Dude said some transphobic poo poo, got called out on it then inadvertently sic'd his followers on one of the people who called him out. When called out on that he doubled down, then started a paranoid spree of blocking anyone who disagreed/followed anyone who disagreed. are you sure that's what happened
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SteelMentor posted:Even the Milkshake Duck guy ended up Milkshake Duck'ing himself, it's hard not to be skeptical. wut?
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Alaois posted:are you sure that's what happened 's what I was told. Broad strokes seems to be "Did lovely thing, doubled down and manbabied about being called out"
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SteelMentor posted:'s what I was told. Broad strokes seems to be "Did lovely thing, doubled down and manbabied about being called out" so you're not sure that's what happened
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SteelMentor posted:'s what I was told. Broad strokes seems to be "Did lovely thing, doubled down and manbabied about being called out" That sucks if true. I think apologising and admitting you hosed up takes more courage than doubling down and trying to defend yourself, although i realise it also requires the admission of wrong doing to be genuine and not some PR bullshit
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Twitter moves super loving fast dude, one moment it's "Milkshake Duck guy did a thing", next it's "Trump's a poo poo".
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Oct 11, 2017 15:13
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SteelMentor posted:Twitter moves super loving fast dude, one moment it's "Milkshake Duck guy did a thing", next it's "Trump's a poo poo". twitter is a very bad website
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SteelMentor posted:'s what I was told. Broad strokes seems to be "Did lovely thing, doubled down and manbabied about being called out" skimmed through it and it looks like another dickwolves situation just somehow stupider this time (replace "dickwolves" with "pro-gun control tweet")
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Oct 11, 2017 15:49
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http://www.thejimquisition.com/changing-criticism-or-gently caress-game-reviews/ Jim Sterling is changing his approach to game reviewing.
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Oct 11, 2017 15:57
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Kim Justice posted:As far as Fantano goes...look, I watched his response video and felt that he refuted the points made in the article well - he explained the context and how the piece really didn't get it right, explained stuff like the godawful Sam Hyde thing and showed how he wasn't just laughing along and other poo poo. That and DEHH's take on it were enough to make me think that this was being blown out of proportion. It would have been ok to have a decent discussion about it, but it just always ends up in slanging matches and we all bring out the worst in each other. Listening to Fantano's response on the Fader article redeemed a lot of things for me, including that Sam Hyde interview which was pretty upsetting. It seriously sounds like he's laughing with Hyde during that but I believe him when he says that he was laughing out of nervousness. watho posted:Do I think that the fantaman is a nazi? No I genuinely don't, but he associates with and panders to actual white supremacists and that's not something I'm comfortable with. This is very reasonable. If anything has come out of Fantanogate is that I realized I'm not okay with him chumming it with Sargon. Is it weird that to assume that being friends with someone like that enables their bad behaviour?
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SteelMentor posted:Even the Milkshake Duck guy ended up Milkshake Duck'ing himself, it's hard not to be skeptical. https://twitter.com/pixelatedboat/status/917104620383514624 Here's what he said happened, if that's not the case, go ahead and call bullshit I wasn't paying that much attention, he's one of those "tiresome hot take after tiresome hot take" dudes that have blossomed since Trump got elected and his only distinguishing quality is that he makes the kinds of comics Tom Tomorrow would leave on the cutting room floor
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Ash Crimson posted:He didn't agree with what Hyde said, but apparently not enough to tell him to shut up in the middle of his rant advocating violence, and even then he still laughed along with it, as if it was some sort of harmless joke. The apologetics here is insane, the guy has profited off alt-right memery, had lengthy documented conversations with important figures of the Alt-Right, Hyde and Sargon of Akkad etc. Ok, I'm going in again. As far as Sam Hyde goes, again I think it better to just let him hang himself there. Based on the context of it all, I believe it to be more of a nervous situation than anything. Sargon and the alt-right is...well, a weird thing - a whole other box of worms. Some of the big AR figures like Anglin and Spencer don't much like him (and likewise) because he's not nearly Right-Wing enough and yet they see him as a gateway to it and Nationalism, which in many ways he is due to a lot of the quite aggressive anti-feminist/anti-Islam content he makes. This is a guy who has baited his own followers on the alt-right by tweeting interracial gay porn at them, calls them "conservative SJWs" and yet then appears to exclude them from as much blame as others in the aftermath of certain events, e.g. Charlottesville. And then goes ahead and baits his Alt-Right/Nationalist followers again by releasing a "Nazis are Bad" video which gets a cack-ton of complaints from that part of his fanbase. Then he does an interview/"debate" with YouTube alt-righter Millennial Woes where he doesn't exactly take her much to task. The tl;dr of all that, most likely, is Sargon is in the main a troll who has both lots of political opinions and yet no real ones. Once in a while he'll make a video that's surprisingly worth watching but then the next will have you scratching your head at the many contradictions on display. The tl;tl;dr of that is probably "He's an rear end." As far as that Trigglypuff thing goes, nobody seems to have re-uploaded that one so no comment there. I also think it's an odd move to delete the channel, even if he says he'd being considering it for a while because it "wasn't making money". That's one part where I feel a leee-tle sketchy 'cause, going by the DEHH video, it appeared to be known that the Fader was planning something because Myke C-Town and others were pretty aware that an article of sorts was coming, so presumably Fantano knew. Having some events cancelled in the wake of the Fader article probably exacerbated it.
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Some pages ago I saw someone link Oliver Harper and I hate that I forgot to respond to it. I've tried posting him several times and I still don't get why no one has said anything about how good he is. He makes in depth movie retrospectives (production, directing, acting, scores and fun little behind the scenes stories) and drat does he do his research. There's a lot of good ones so I wasn't sure what to choose so I just chose one about one of my favorite movies Starship Troopers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbksIqF_Iqc
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Kim Justice posted:Ok, I'm going in again. As far as Sam Hyde goes, again I think it better to just let him hang himself there. Based on the context of it all, I believe it to be more of a nervous situation than anything. I appreciate you responding to this by the way and apologies for the hostility earlier, i just feel very strongly that all enablers of certain ideologies that are vehemently against my very existence deserve to be shamed. Let's say i give him the benefit of the doubt about the nervousness he might have had during the Sam Hyde podcast.... any reasonable person would have challenged him or stopped him when he got into ranting about wanting to physically harm someone, not just because it's immoral but also because it sounds like an issue that could get a podcaster into legal troubles. He definitely failed to do the right thing, even if i do give him the benefit of the doubt. I fully agree that Sargon is a troll, but he also carries water for the alt-right and generally follows their same vehemently anti-SJW and anti-feminist agenda. He might not be an alt-righter or a neo-nazi, but he is number 1 amongst them and certainly has no problem catering towards them when he can do so without immediate backlash. Hell, he repeats many of their talking points and he himself is involved in the whole "Kekistan" bullshit. I think this is a case where Fantano was caught with his hand in the cookie jar and now he has to back peddle, especially with his events being cancelled, it's a PR nightmare for him, no one wants to associate with anyone that expresses some of the views, be they "jokes" or not. He did it to himself and now he has to suffer the consequences.
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I tried listening to the podcast but I had to drop out 2 minutes into the "Jamaican" accent. Also because Fantano's laugh is so forced and uncomfortable. Ew. That's my hot take.
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Ash Crimson posted:I appreciate you responding to this by the way and apologies for the hostility earlier, i just feel very strongly that all enablers of certain ideologies that are vehemently against my very existence deserve to be shamed. I've not heard the full thing so I don't know if the subject ever came up again after. And yeah, it's something that could have had some pretty nasty consequences in the immediate aftermath - Lena Dunham would certainly have a case against Sam Hyde for that and probably Fantano too. Was it handled in the best way? Probably not but in the moment it's hard to think of a good way...let him spew and then try and move on, or call out and derail the interview completely? Not a situation I'd want to deal with...it should also be noted that in Jan 2016 at the time of the podcast, I think that Sam Hyde was considered more a shock artist/comedian as opposed to an alt-righter - the support of Trump, his Adult Swim show and the cancellation of it and contributing to the legal defense of Andrew Anglin were all yet to happen. He was kinda in the closet, so to speak. Yeah, I don't really disagree much when it comes to Sargon. Kekistan is another strange box of worms and definitely not something I could claim to understand. Is it satire? Does it have a point? Do Nationalists love it or hate it? There's like a thousand different opinions on that poo poo. Kim Justice fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Oct 11, 2017 |
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Kim Justice posted:I've not heard the full thing so I don't know if the subject ever came up again after. And yeah, it's something that could have had some pretty nasty consequences in the immediate aftermath - Lena Dunham would certainly have a case against Sam Hyde for that and probably Fantano too. Was it handled in the best way? Probably not but in the moment it's hard to think of a good way...let him spew and then try and move on, or call out and derail the interview completely? Not a situation I'd want to deal with...it should also be noted that in Jan 2016 at the time of the podcast, I think that Sam Hyde was considered more a shock artist/comedian as opposed to an alt-righter - the support of Trump, his Adult Swim show and the cancellation of it and contributing to the legal defense of Andrew Anglin were all yet to happen. He was kinda in the closet, so to speak. I think that there are a bunch of 4chan teenagers who just see it as another meme thing the can use to make the "SJWs triggered" but Kekkistan is very obviously dogwhistle racisme or at least a way to diminish very real socialt issues. "Hurr Hurr look at these dumb POCs thinking they're oppressed". The thing that makes it so hard to figure this thing out is that they've drenched their racism in jokes and memes so if you try to confront them they can blow it of with you being out of touch and not getting it or you can't take a joke man. As a young teen I used to frequent 4chan and even as a bi, biracial girl the jokes and memes made me extremely oblivious to how hosed up it was.
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Kim, I did enjoy your little cameo in the Game Show Garbage episode on Krypton Factor 1995.. Thank you for taking the time to visit the thread and comment. Speaking of Game Shows, any other decent game show writers/video makers out there? Cyndi's presentation style is kind of basic, and Game Show Reviewer hasn't done a video for years.
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KayTee posted:http://www.thejimquisition.com/changing-criticism-or-gently caress-game-reviews/ That's too bad, I generally don't care for Jimpressions at all, but I like his other content.
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I have just been informed the latest Nostalgia Critic video contains a "Triggered" joke Do with this information what you will
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Reminder that "kekistan" people are often the same people who doxx women and minorities and try to test gas canisters in their apartment buildings in order to murder Jews. "Trolling" and genuine white supremacy are very close together, trolling is a bullying tactic they use to target people they hate, it seems weird because it's supposed to be, it annoys, confuses, and frustrates the people they're targeting while signaling to those who "get the joke" to join in. Sargon is a huge shithead and any attempts to appear "moderate" are purely to prop himself up on a pedestal and nothing else, it reassures people who follow him that they aren't one of the baddies while still filling their minds with hateful doctrine.
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CelticPredator posted:Nothing? Strong choice, and I endorse it
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noclip has been putting out videos going over the entire Witcher franchise: Part 1 Part 2 Part 3 Part 4 Part 5 Like all those videos, it's real good. Some fantastic insight into the development process of all the games, especially 3. The last video goes into localization and adapting it to different languages and cultures that's really interesting. Videos contain spoilers for the games and part 5 has naked digital butts.
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The latest episode of RebelTaxi's Pizza Party Podcast features Ian Jones Quartey, creator of OK K.O., who's previous worked on Steven Universe and Adventure Time. Since I first started listening to PPP, Jim has returned to the podcast and I hadn't known that he and Ian used to be roommates and created a webtoon together. The discussion that the hosts have with IanJQ is really solid and even goes into Ian's reasoning behind characters frequently appearing offmodel in his shows.
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Films&Stuff looks at Rogue One. Pretty interesting take on how Rogue One almost entirely fails as a character piece, but makes up for it in some places with the focus on the failure of communication and how overcoming these faults is what allows the Rebellion to grow.
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KayTee posted:http://www.thejimquisition.com/changing-criticism-or-gently caress-game-reviews/ Pretty excited about this; I'm much more a fan of general criticism than reviews. Also glad he's keeping the content that used to be "Jimpressions."
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Yea basically a lateral move there, he's just doing 'jimpressions' still and not making a "THIS GAME IS 8 POINTS GOOD, IT GETS AN 8 FOR REASONS" thing. Which is good, because the stuff he's keeping are what's actually fun.
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SteelMentor posted:Dude said some transphobic poo poo, got called out on it then inadvertently sic'd his followers on one of the people who called him out. When called out on that he doubled down, then started a paranoid spree of blocking anyone who disagreed/followed anyone who disagreed. this is the biggest bunch of horseshit, he's pro-gun control and a bunch of weirdos jumped on him about it imagine that, an australian pro-gun control, can't imagine why
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