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Pinky Artichoke posted:I love how any time someone points out that lovely stuff disproportionately happens to women, gays, people of color, etc. there's always that one guy who's like "On rare occasions this happens to white men, too! It's unfair not to mention that front-and-center!" But black people owned slaves too!
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Zythrst posted:Why yes there are over 7 billion people on the planet many of them woman, some of those are lovely people. This of course is in no way evidence that a solid majority of internet harassment happens to women. Nope, you'll actually find there are studies showing both women and men have more/less http://www.forbes.com/sites/daniellecitron/2014/09/05/are-women-facing-more-cyber-stalking-and-cyber-harassment-online-than-men/ And either way, it doesn't matter who technically has more harassment, it's laughable that he spent 15 minutes ranting about online harassment towards only women. Times he mentioned, even in passing that the same poo poo happens to women? Zero.
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# ? Jun 22, 2015 17:48 |
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Botnit posted:I don't know if you're saying that yourself or just saying that's what's said but it isn't true, there have been several websites run by women there were the exact same thing, Don't Date Him Girl was one of them for years where the owner was a convicted felon and she refused court orders to take down or provide information on orders of who posted what, and after years of the current swimming against her she swerved the site into a "women's empowerment" motif which made it beyond reproach and is still up to this day. Why yes, that would seem to fit into the 100/3.7 ratio quoted in the show. E: in regards to the "it happens to men too!" argument, when there's a clear and demonstrable disproportionate effect on one group, it makes sense to focus your efforts on that. If my neighbor's house is a full-on 4 alarm inferno, and my mailbox also caught on fire, I wouldn't be bitching about the firefighters focusing their efforts on the former. E2: vvv ahahaha goddammit Freaquency fucked around with this message at 17:53 on Jun 22, 2015 |
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Botnit posted:Not a gamergater(?) or redpiller(?) or whatever they call themselves Well I mean you sort of are, insomuch as you are doing basically everything the red pill crowd does in 'defense' of the issue. Soooooo might want to look into how much you care about this issue and why. Mulva fucked around with this message at 17:57 on Jun 22, 2015 |
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Ah yes, mentioning even once in a 15 minute rant that women do the same thing is indeed the exact equivalent of firefighters choosing to ignore a house on fire. And you wonder why no one bothers posting in this thread. Now go on and continue ignoring the study showing that no, it isn't 3/100 comparison so you can continue living in your SJW tinted biodomes.
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# ? Jun 22, 2015 18:01 |
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Botnit posted:Nope, you'll actually find there are studies showing both women and men have more/less Did you read that full article? That article posted:It appears that being a woman arguably raises one’s risk of cyber stalking and cyber harassment, and for women of color and women from minority groups the risk may be higher. Oliver chose to do a story on that side of the discussion. Yes. Men are harassed on the internet, but what the original data you cited failed to elaborate on is the type of harassment. Men are often targets of emasculation while women are often the targets of threats of sexual aggression.
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# ? Jun 22, 2015 18:04 |
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Botnit posted:Nope, you'll actually find there are studies showing both women and men have more/less Chill out with a Bud Light Lime.
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# ? Jun 22, 2015 18:04 |
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Botnit posted:Nope, you'll actually find there are studies showing both women and men have more/less Did you not read the second paragraph? quote:While the study, conducted by the British think tank Demos, was limited to a fairly small sample of British celebrities, journalists and politicians whose Twitter timelines were tracked over a two-week period, its findings are nonetheless interesting That's not a reasonable study at all.
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# ? Jun 22, 2015 18:05 |
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Botnit posted:Ah yes, mentioning even once in a 15 minute rant that women do the same thing is indeed the exact equivalent of firefighters choosing to ignore a house on fire. lol
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Botnit posted:Ah yes, mentioning even once in a 15 minute rant that women do the same thing is indeed the exact equivalent of firefighters choosing to ignore a house on fire. This thread is actually pretty drat active. At least on the ones I follow.
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# ? Jun 22, 2015 18:08 |
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Botnit posted:Ah yes, mentioning even once in a 15 minute rant that women do the same thing is indeed the exact equivalent of firefighters choosing to ignore a house on fire. He talks about how anyone can be targeted at the very beginning of the segment. Not splitting his attention equally between the two is not the same as completely ignoring one. I'm sorry that your exact scenario wasn't addressed, but it doesn't invalidate any of his points.
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# ? Jun 22, 2015 18:09 |
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Reddit's redpill site is horrible and I hate that I clicked on it (redpill women is somehow worse) My biggest problem with the episode is it was a tad scatter shoot compared to some of the recent episodes. If it had been about that Revenge porn then he should have talked about the Girls gone Wild rear end in a top hat and the rear end in a top hat in Arizona or make it all about Gamersgate (the dumb thing I still don't follow understand beyond women can't make games and someone lied about cheating).
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# ? Jun 22, 2015 18:11 |
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sbaldrick posted:Reddit's redpill site is horrible and I hate that I clicked on it (redpill women is somehow worse) It's pretty hard to cover the insanity of GamerGate and the institutional problems women face with the internet in 15 minutes. It's easier to just focus on some high profile examples that any sane person would say "gently caress, that's unacceptable that they had to go through that". For all the "Oh, Brianna Wu is a piece of poo poo etc." it still doesn't justify people promising to come to her house and rape her and kill her, and Anita Sarkeesian's work might be ripe for serious critique but the bulk of it is death/rape threats against her and attacks on her gender. The revenge porn stuff is particularly bad because all of the jokey "oh well, just don't do that!" attitudes from the media when it's someone who was intrinsically trusted by the victim at that time and then had said trust betrayed.
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# ? Jun 22, 2015 18:28 |
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pentyne posted:The revenge porn stuff is particularly bad because all of the jokey "oh well, just don't do that!" attitudes from the media when it's someone who was intrinsically trusted by the victim at that time and then had said trust betrayed. Not to mention that society still has an extremely broken view on nudity/sexuality, so a harmless act (taking photographs of yourself when it doesn't have fabric on it) can be grossly detrimental to your career and life generally.
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pentyne posted:
literally nobody here is arguing that
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# ? Jun 22, 2015 18:50 |
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Botnit posted:Ah yes, mentioning even once in a 15 minute rant that women do the same thing is indeed the exact equivalent of firefighters choosing to ignore a house on fire. Mind if I try an experiment? I want you to try and find ten examples of John Oliver receving death or rape threats related to yesterday's episode. If you can, I'll put up a new avatar, your choice.
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# ? Jun 22, 2015 18:53 |
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pentyne posted:It's pretty hard to cover the insanity of GamerGate and the institutional problems women face with the internet in 15 minutes. It's easier to just focus on some high profile examples that any sane person would say "gently caress, that's unacceptable that they had to go through that". Honestly it did seem to focus on any of those examples that well. They talked about Revenge porn but didn't talk about the stupid website that encouraged it or even reused the joke about RedPill for the Confederate flag piece. Basically I"m just too picky after the masterful FIFA stuff from the past few weeks.
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# ? Jun 22, 2015 18:54 |
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Pick posted:Not to mention that society still has an extremely broken view on nudity/sexuality, so a harmless act (taking photographs of yourself when it doesn't have fabric on it) can be grossly detrimental to your career and life generally. It's not even just the picture, it's the whole notion that you might be naked with another adult human being even though that is a 100% normal thing to do and part of practically everybody's life at some point. It's *still* pretty common for certain parties (hello, various California school districts with recent sexual abuse cases) to shame the female participant when she's a preteen preyed upon by an adult man. Meanwhile, for most straight men (barring a handful of professions), if pics come out it's more of a "yes, men get laid, and?" type reaction.
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# ? Jun 22, 2015 18:56 |
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BigRed0427 posted:Mind if I try an experiment? I found Oliver being called a cuck and how he should suck a bunch of dicks and this on Voat (the even worse Reddit) [–] goatboy -2 points (+2|-4) 1 hour ago TIL John Oliver needs to be deported to Guantanamo Bay as a domestic terrorist- the fucker! permalink Basically I hate my job today.
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Pick posted:Not to mention that society still has an extremely broken view on nudity/sexuality, so a harmless act (taking photographs of yourself when it doesn't have fabric on it) can be grossly detrimental to your career and life generally. I don't think anyone is actually getting fired over it, but especially in the case of the college teacher I could see it really wrecking your ability to do your job.
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IRQ posted:I don't think anyone is actually getting fired over it, but especially in the case of the college teacher I could see it really wrecking your ability to do your job. Well, we know people have committed suicide over online harassment, which is just about the worst thing you can do for your career.
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# ? Jun 22, 2015 19:13 |
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Botnit posted:Ah yes, mentioning even once in a 15 minute rant that women do the same thing is indeed the exact equivalent of firefighters choosing to ignore a house on fire. i'm an SJW, i'm here to forcibly cut your dick off and bow to every women you've ever met
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# ? Jun 22, 2015 19:16 |
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Toxxupation posted:literally nobody here is arguing that Toxxupation posted:I mean she does stuff like marginalize other women in her industry and argue that women can just become developers via bootstrap-pulling and don't need to go to college, like she did when she literally received one hundred thousand dollars from her insanely rich parents to start a business
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# ? Jun 22, 2015 19:18 |
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Botnit posted:Now go on and continue ignoring the study showing that no, it isn't 3/100 comparison so you can continue living in your SJW tinted biodomes. Why would you tint a biodome. Like, to prevent light getting in or so people can't watch the gorillas gently caress or what's up here.
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# ? Jun 22, 2015 19:23 |
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Im an sjw and I'm here to say My biodome is tinted in a major way
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# ? Jun 22, 2015 19:27 |
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Pick posted:Well, we know people have committed suicide over online harassment, which is just about the worst thing you can do for your career. I dunno, if reincarnation is real then suicide might open some doors for me.
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# ? Jun 22, 2015 19:29 |
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did you not read my first loving post where I literally said that the death threats aren't justified, like ver loving batim
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# ? Jun 22, 2015 19:30 |
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There's this thing that happens when you say you don't think something, and then literally everything else you say makes it look like you think that anyway. People don't believe you.
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Strobe posted:There's this thing that happens when you say you don't think something, and then literally everything else you say makes it look like you think that anyway. People don't believe you. lol "this person is a lovely person because they said x, y and z" = "this person deserves to be killed"
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# ? Jun 22, 2015 19:48 |
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Toxxupation posted:did you not read my first loving post where I literally said that the death threats aren't justified, like ver loving batim idk maybe if your first response to someone receiving death threats is "actually this person said some dumb things" it sounds to me like you're excusing the threats as justified
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# ? Jun 22, 2015 19:50 |
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Afro posted:idk maybe if your first response to someone receiving death threats is "actually this person said some dumb things" it sounds to me like you're excusing the threats as justified that sure would be accurate if within that first response i didn't literally say "the threats aren't justified"! HMM
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Toxxupation posted:that sure would be accurate if within that first response i didn't literally say "the threats aren't justified"! HMM then why even bring up the other stuff in the first place
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# ? Jun 22, 2015 19:56 |
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Afro posted:then why even bring up the other stuff in the first place Because then they wouldn't have the first sentence to deflect all the other lovely things they said. Basically it's a I'm not racist but...
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# ? Jun 22, 2015 20:01 |
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"I think the first group is wrong. By the way, the target is an rear end in a top hat and here's a bunch of talking points on why I dislike her."
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Toxxupation posted:lol "this person is a lovely person because they said x, y and z" = "this person deserves to be killed" Don't you see its not relevant to the issue though? So when you go, oh but the victim is really bad it can't help but sound like an excuse for it.
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# ? Jun 22, 2015 20:08 |
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Zythrst posted:So when you go, oh but the victim is really bad it can't help but sound like an excuse for it. it's relevant to the contention that she's a bad "Face" for how public harrassment has gone wrong, and it's important to specifically note how the things she said and done are specifically harming the industry she has specifically set herself up as the cause d'etre for like, let's say all this happened to ann coulter, right, i guaran loving tee all of you people would say something along the lines of "well, the death threats are disgusting but ON THE OTHER HAND ann coulter has literally argued that women shouldn't have the right to vote, so on some level she's a stupid rear end in a top hat who deserves criticism if explicitly not to the level of threats" I'm saying the fundamental argument that women get horrible treatment on the internet, that is 100% true and needs to stop, now but i'm also saying that the specific example of brianna wu is a bad one to use to represent public harrassment because she's someone whose public actions deserve criticism, and now you can't even point out how the things she has said and actions she has taken are directly hypocritical to the person she presents herself as, but you can't ever bring those criticisms up because about a billion uninformed idiots will jump down your loving throat saying that you're actually furthering an argument you're explicitly against like even now people are conflating legitimate criticisms (like how she's actually an elitist, classist, self-aggrandizing douchebag who explicitly ostracizes other women in her industry who criticize her) with whatever stupid horseshit that reddit or gg think, they're not the same argument and one isn't part of the other, i'm approaching criticizing wu from a far left perspective and they're criticizing from far right it's like saying that people who go "Obama is a friend of the family who deserves to die and is a kenyan" are the same people as people who go "obama doesn't deserve death threats but on the other hand he's a douchebag who approved an insane expansion on our spying program, still allows torture to continue in government-funded black sites, and has kowtowed to everything the monied people in power want furthering the wealth gap"
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# ? Jun 22, 2015 20:21 |
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Toxxupation posted:it's relevant to the contention that she's a bad "Face" for how public harrassment has gone wrong, and it's important to specifically note how the things she said and done are specifically harming the industry she has specifically set herself up as the cause d'etre for So, you're saying that Brianna Wu
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# ? Jun 22, 2015 20:23 |
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Buddy please stop this isn't getting any better on either side. Just let it drop and walk away.
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You're no Irish Joe Occ (because I know you're 100% serious), but I appreciate the effort.
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