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Cardboard Box A posted:There are 3 great Bob The Angry Flower comics and this is one of them: Yeah I dunno if this thread got moved to GBS or went through a time warp to 2004 or what, but for a couple pages there was a whooole lot people defending some really terrible poo poo.
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Egypt seems to be having some trouble getting the Sinai under control.http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/16/us-egypt-sinai-idUSBRE88F02P20120916 posted:Islamist militants attacked Egypt's security headquarters in northern Sinai on Sunday with a barrage of mortar bombs and machinegun fire and fought police elsewhere in the desert region, wounding three conscripts, security officials said.
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Sep 16, 2012 09:45
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I recall the other day some newly registered account of obviously an older poster poo-pooed this as the obvious best course of action when I mentioned it: http://news.yahoo.com/u-orders-family-non-essential-staff-leave-tunis-211016280.html?_esi=1 quote:U.S. orders embassy staff to leave Tunis, Khartoum
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Sep 16, 2012 10:51
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ReindeerF posted:I recall the other day some newly registered account of obviously an older poster poo-pooed this as the obvious best course of action when I mentioned it: Ordered departure is not the same as a straight up evacuation which seemed to be what you were calling for before. I mean don't get me wrong ordered departure is a significant event (which is why I posted it on the last page) but it's not like the embassies are going to be completely vacated.
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Sep 16, 2012 11:20
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What I was talking about before was getting people out of our embassies and, if things become bad enough, abandoning them completely. Right now you might have a semantic case, if the eventual evacuation is ordered you won't - and that's the logical conclusion of this chain of events, just like this was. Who cares, though? You start by pulling out non-essential personnel. When the crucial info and equipment is secure and things aren't better, you yank the rest.
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Sep 16, 2012 11:31
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Ultras Lazio posted:
Those western useful idiots like the U.S., France, Britain and Italy do gently caress everything up for their own personal profit don't they?
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Sep 16, 2012 12:00
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ReindeerF posted:What I was talking about before was getting people out of our embassies and, if things become bad enough, abandoning them completely. Right now you might have a semantic case, if the eventual evacuation is ordered you won't - and that's the logical conclusion of this chain of events, just like this was. Who cares, though? You start by pulling out non-essential personnel. When the crucial info and equipment is secure and things aren't better, you yank the rest. I'm not trying to pick an argument here, but total evacuation is not the "logical conclusion" of ordered departure, just like authorized departure doesn't automatically "logically lead" to ordered departure. Ordered departure isn't simply a step on the way to total evacuation in order to give people a day or two to secure material or whatever before everyone leaves, facilities can and have operated for weeks at a time under ordered departure, because the mission essential folks that get left behind still have important work to do. Completely evacuating an embassy due to strife or some other emergency (as opposed to a planned shut down due to a break in diplomatic relations) is something that happens rather infrequently, because of that important work that still needs to get done. If you subtract out the historical instances when the evacuation was because a country was being overrun a la Saigon in '75 the number of instances gets quite a bit smaller.
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Sep 16, 2012 12:01
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Iran confirms it has a military presence in Syriaquote:Iran's Revolutionary Guards commander says its troops in Syria James W. Foley tweeted this in response quote:#FSA officer said 1 Iranian advisor worked w them in intel monitoring before he defected, more believable than tons Iranian sniper stories
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Sep 16, 2012 13:58
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^ ^ ^ World War III anyone?
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Sep 16, 2012 14:04
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Brown Moses posted:Iran confirms it has a military presence in Syria 
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Sep 16, 2012 14:07
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Yeah, the article is rather confused in that respectquote:The statement is the first official acknowledgement from a senior military commander that Iran has a military presence on the ground in Syria where an uprising has left tens of thousands dead since it began 18 months ago.
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Sep 16, 2012 14:09
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Brown Moses posted:Iran confirms it has a military presence in Syria Pretty misleading headline? What the hell is Reuters doing?
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Sep 16, 2012 14:09
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A starving cat in Homs apparently eating grass to survive https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HnAxjtlWxY [edit] Maybe not starving, apparently eating grass is a cat thing (dog person here). Brown Moses fucked around with this message at 14:33 on Sep 16, 2012 |
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Sep 16, 2012 14:18
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The article has Iran admitting a number of its military are there, just in a "non-military capacity", only denying what they're doing not who they are. They're "military advisors" much like the famous American ones in Vietnam
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Sep 16, 2012 14:18
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evilweasel posted:The article has Iran admitting a number of its military are there, just in a "non-military capacity", only denying what they're doing not who they are. I we're to believe the Iranians it's more like the U.S. ones in Iraq during the whirlwind war. Then again, I really don't, so...
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Sep 16, 2012 14:24
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I don't think it's a misleading headline. Members of Iranian special forces are operating in Syria with the permission and support of the Iranian and Syrian governments. There are conflicting claims in the article about if it is a military presence or not be inclined to treat it like one.
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Sep 16, 2012 14:33
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Brown Moses posted:[edit] Maybe not starving, apparently eating grass is a cat thing (dog person here). Dogs, or at least pugs, sometimes eat grass, too. Or more like nibble it. Some say cats do it because it helps the digestion. I really don't know why our pugs did it, more evidence that pugs are not related to dogs I think...
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Sep 16, 2012 14:37
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I've spotted what could be a new bomb, I'm struggling to ID it, especially with the row of bolts it has. Maybe a ODAB fuel-air bomb or RBK cluster bomb? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5q2-74mIxAc [edit] Apparently a BetAB 500kg penetration bomb. Brown Moses fucked around with this message at 15:16 on Sep 16, 2012 |
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Sep 16, 2012 14:38
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Nenonen posted:Dogs, or at least pugs, sometimes eat grass, too. Or more like nibble it. Some say cats do it because it helps the digestion. I really don't know why our pugs did it, more evidence that pugs are not related to dogs I think... It makes them throw up, and helps with indigestion that way.
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Sep 16, 2012 14:46
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Unoriginal Name posted:Yeah I dunno if this thread got moved to GBS or went through a time warp to 2004 or what, but for a couple pages there was a whooole lot people defending some really terrible poo poo. I don't think many were "defending" it. Folks who were condemning it were asked what they would offer as alternative and not much was given beyond "killing civilians is bad".
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Sep 16, 2012 14:53
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Pretty remarkable 20-minute video uploaded yesterday: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=21e_1347750798 -A group of apparent sunni jihadis overrun a hilltop installation in what appears like a relatively competent infantry assault. They take at least one casualty, seemingly in their stride. Then we get to see them burn one tank and drive off with another. There's some dead enemies shown, some prisoners, and some war loot at the end. I don't have Arabic enough to get much of what's being said, (other than the Quran recitation at the very beginning of the video and the odd prayer said by the cameraman). There's some signage and words relayed - is any of it seemingly significant or remarkable? Invalido fucked around with this message at 14:57 on Sep 16, 2012 |
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Sep 16, 2012 14:55
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Brown Moses posted:A starving cat in Homs apparently eating grass to survive There is something oddly meditative about this guy filming a cat and softly repeating "Besieged Homs, silver cat... The cat is eating grass... A cat of besieged Homs is eating grass...."
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Sep 16, 2012 14:59
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My cat would devour my entire garden if he could spend a night there. Cats love plants.Invalido posted:Pretty remarkable 20-minute video uploaded yesterday: That was tense as gently caress. The death of the soldier was bizarre, dude gets shot, leaves the house and gets on a prayer position and waits for death 
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Sep 16, 2012 15:10
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EDIT: woops, sorry
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Sep 16, 2012 15:25
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Brown Moses posted:I've spotted what could be a new bomb, I'm struggling to ID it, especially with the row of bolts it has. Maybe a ODAB fuel-air bomb or RBK cluster bomb?  Are they all so blase about UAX?
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Sep 16, 2012 15:25
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Phuzzy posted:
I've many more examples http://brown-moses.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/two-examples-of-filming-unexploded-s-5.html http://brown-moses.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/two-more-examples-of-how-not-to-handle.html http://brown-moses.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/how-not-to-handle-unexploded-ordnance.html
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Sep 16, 2012 15:33
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evilweasel posted:They're "military advisors" much like the famous American ones in Vietnam Precisely. General Westmoreland did a bang up job against the Viet Cong.  On a serious note however, what is possibility of this blowing up into another conflict between West and Middle-East?
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Sep 16, 2012 15:46
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It's situations like this that make me laugh when people say that the Democrats and Republicans are exactly the same. I can't even imagine what John McCain/Palin would be doing right now if they had won in 2008.
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Sep 16, 2012 16:39
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Alex DeLarge posted:It's situations like this that make me laugh when people say that the Democrats and Republicans are exactly the same. I can't even imagine what John McCain/Palin would be doing right now if they had won in 2008. If my facebook feed is any indication "bomb[ing] those libyan fuckers back to the stone age, because all they understand is force."
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Sep 16, 2012 16:40
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truth masseuse posted:Precisely. General Westmoreland did a bang up job against the Viet Cong. Very little. NATO has been reluctantly to become involved in the Syrian civil war primarily because of Russian support for Assad's regime. There is limited support for the Free Syrian Army in the form of intelligence and nonlethal military aid from the West (primarily from the US, UK, France, and Germany).
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Sep 16, 2012 17:07
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Crasscrab posted:Very little. NATO has been reluctantly to become involved in the Syrian civil war primarily because of Russian support for Assad's regime. There is limited support for the Free Syrian Army in the form of intelligence and nonlethal military aid from the West (primarily from the US, UK, France, and Germany). But with Russia's continued support of Syria, and Iran sending in "advisors" or whatever you want to call their forces that are active there. If Assad continues to hold power, and this civil war stretches out for another year, would NATO probably get involved at that point? I imagine another year of this and Syria's neighbors could be dealing with a humanitarian crisis.
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Sep 16, 2012 17:37
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truth masseuse posted:But with Russians continued support of Syria, and Iran sending in "advisors" or whatever you want to call their forces that are active there. If Assad continues to hold power, and this civil war stretches out for another year, would NATO probably get involved at that point? I imagine another year of this and Syrians neighbors could be dealing with a humanitarian crisis. It really depends on how events play out, and how prominent Iranian involvement becomes. If Iran starts sending in regular army battalions to back up Assad it would probably be too much to ignore, but there's really no appetite whatsoever in NATO countries to intervene in Syria. Even Turkey's population is against intervening according to polling there, and their government has has by far been the biggest advocate of Assad's downfall. http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/141790/majority-of-turks-against-country%C3%ADs-intervention-into-syria.html It's hard to predict the future in wars. I remain convinced Assad will fall, and NATO intervention would probably speed that event, but I could see the war dragging on well into 2013 at this point without any intervention. Also, the region is already dealing with a humanitarian crisis, there's got to be close to a quarter of a million refugees from the fighting at this moment, and that's going to reach half a million real soon. New Division fucked around with this message at 17:44 on Sep 16, 2012 |
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Sep 16, 2012 17:42
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I think almost everyone considering Syria does so with a sigh and a weary shake of the head now because even if Assad leaves tomorrow the country is still going to be a massive shithole for... man, I don't even know how long. Years, definitely.
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Sep 16, 2012 17:44
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Crasscrab posted:Very little. NATO has been reluctantly to become involved in the Syrian civil war primarily because of Russian support for Assad's regime. There is limited support for the Free Syrian Army in the form of intelligence and nonlethal military aid from the West (primarily from the US, UK, France, and Germany). I'd say it was more of a combination of factors than just the Russian presence, not to say it isn't a big factor - but I'd say its the total lack of enthusiasm both at a government and the general public level for anything that could turn into another Iraq that's keeping NATO out of it. Libya only happened from a NATO perspective because they were able to effect the outcome through bombing alone - there is much more scope for getting sucked in and bogged down in a Syrian conflict. e: Plus of course there is a good chance that whatever faction NATO throws its lot in with will turn around bite the hand that feeds it shortly after.
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Sep 16, 2012 17:46
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:If my facebook feed is any indication "bomb[ing] those libyan fuckers back to the stone age, because all they understand is force." I don't understand how so many of you have friends who say stuff like that. I must be the most sheltered man ever. I only hear this disgusting poo poo when I talk to my dad.
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Sep 16, 2012 17:57
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lil mortimer posted:I don't understand how so many of you have friends who say stuff like that. I must be the most sheltered man ever. I only hear this disgusting poo poo when I talk to my dad. I grew up in the Deep South and still live there. If I restricted myself to being friends with reasonable people I wouldn't have many friends. 
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Sep 16, 2012 17:59
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Fog Tripper posted:I don't think many were "defending" it. Folks who were condemning it were asked what they would offer as alternative and not much was given beyond "killing civilians is bad".
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Sep 16, 2012 18:05
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lil mortimer posted:I don't understand how so many of you have friends who say stuff like that. I must be the most sheltered man ever. I only hear this disgusting poo poo when I talk to my dad. Well, that particular guy is someone I knew like 20 years ago and have no current contact with; I keep him on my feed solely for insight into the conservative id (he un-ironically posts Ramirez cartoons on a regular basis).
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Sep 16, 2012 18:22
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http://www.jadaliyya.com/pages/index/7365/was-the-arab-spring-really-worth-it_the-fascinatin quote:The voyeuristic perspective ought not be missed either. The Arab “Spring” (a misnomer to begin with for reasons that require their own list) is like a spectacle. But not any spectacle. It is a spectacle in which “we” the democrats and “developed” world watch the “others” trying to catch up, despite so many efforts to support their oppressors. Until last week, the voyeurism was sympathetic, even if patrimonial or patronizing. But after the recent events, the voyeurism and subsequent reactions to the violence that killed a US Ambassador in Libya turned into something else. It recast the entire spectacle in terms and imagery reminiscent of what we are used to observing in the center’s gaze towards the periphery: a sense of amazement and intrigue that can under certain circumstances quickly turn into something associated with zoology. Was it really worth it to let these creatures out of their cages? After all, look at what they are doing. Only now do we know that fighting for one’s dignity may not have been worthwhile because a bunch of fanatics did what they did. az jan jananam fucked around with this message at 18:35 on Sep 16, 2012 |
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Suddenly, I feel like CNN just reading tweets and loving around with holograms might be preferable to them actually trying to report.
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