mike12345 posted:

The fact he has/had that kind of support in the first place, is amazing. I'd never thought a candidate that self-identifies as "socialist democrat" gets this far in the US. A lot of groundwork has been laid, upon which you can build support for progressive candidates in the coming years. There are lots of ways you can continue to campaign for change in the US, just don't give up. Rome wasn't built in a day, etc. Just keep on truckin'

Enourmo posted:

see you talk about the youth vote but at my school I see and hear a demoralizing amount of support for trump (ucf, the school where he had a rally and literally had people salute and pledge loyalty to him)

and they're way too young to be jaded accelerationists, I'm pretty sure they actually like the guy

republicans have kids too

Enourmo posted:

see you talk about the youth vote but at my school I see and hear a demoralizing amount of support for trump (ucf, the school where he had a rally and literally had people salute and pledge loyalty to him)

and they're way too young to be jaded accelerationists, I'm pretty sure they actually like the guy

republicans have kids too

Cubey posted:

Also, Sanders dominated the youth vote. As the current youth vote ages and the old people afraid of the big bad S word croak, the prospects of a real leftist winning rise. 8 years from now, a Sanders-esque candidate has a very real shot of being president.

Cardboard Box A posted:

Homework Explainer posted:

it's possible, but the office of president is, somewhat ironically, most beholden to the twin forces of capital and institutional memory despite being talked up as the most powerful office on the face of the planet. a president sanders would be no more able to halt imperialism than clinton, or trump.

and if we've learned anything from the time since the end of the ussr, the imperial bourgeoisie is too stupid to allow social democracy to sustain capitalism for a few more years. they'd rather keep unemployment up and wages low. if they don't wise up in eight years we could see a new fascist epoch, whether it's trump or someone else at the helm.

basically, kicking the can down the road for electoral politics to save us all is costing the workers time they can't afford to waste. the obama presidency and the sanders candidacy should be proof enough of that.

QuoProQuid posted:

His approval rating within Ohio has skyrocketed to 61-28 since he began campaigning. Recent polling also suggests that among likely Republican Party voters, Kasich has unusually high favorability. Most polls have him in the mid-sixties and low-seventies and with lower unfavorability than any other candidate still in the race. I'm not sure if Kasich's numbers will stay this high once voters begin to scrutinize him, but these numbers and his "positive campaign" seem to suggest a conscious strategy.

Kasich's objective does not seem to be to win the most delegates but to stay in the race and seem "likeable." He knows that he isn't anyone's first choice for the nomination but by keeping his head down and avoiding attacks on any other candidate, he's made himself palatable to the various factions within the Republican Party and to the national media, who are likely to give him favorable coverage should the election go down to the wire. Kasich's hope, it seems, is that he can hold onto his delegates through enough rounds of voting that he starts picking up defectors who consider him better than "Lying Ted," "Lil' Marco," and "Baby Hands Trump." He will probably be helped in this mission because of the Convention location. Because the Republican Party is meeting in Cleveland, it means that his operatives can control the setting and are less likely to suffer attrition should voting go on for multiple ballots. During the 1924 Democratic Convention, the expensiveness of hotels in New York became a major factor.

We can argue how viable this strategy is (because I personally think it is a long-shot) but there seems to be a method to Kasich's madness. Even if his convention strategy doesn't pan out, by staying in the race he likely guarantees himself a major position within the party and becomes a major player for the 2020 nomination.

Jewel Repetition posted:

Somehow Rubio's fate is even sadder than Jeb's because it had less warning.

ScrubLeague posted:

Irony is more appealing than earnestness to youths. Caring about something is dangerous, because you look silly if it doesn't work out. Every kid wants to be cool and fit in, so looking foolish is world-shattering. It's much less risky to support "let's see what happens if" than it is to have a serious opinion about a candidate you take seriously.

Jewel Repetition posted:

Keep in mind this guy is a literal communist (he isn't just using the language for kicks) so that affects his definition of "real leftist."

Jewel Repetition posted:

Keep in mind this guy is a literal communist (he isn't just using the language for kicks) so that affects his definition of "real leftist."

Cubey posted:

Where and when have I ever professed to being a communist? I am of the opinion that Scandinavian democratic socialism is a great model for our country to take cues from, and those countries are not communist societies by any metric.

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

Elizabeth Warren will be ready for a shot at the Presidency in 2024. She needs to focus the next 8 years on building bridges with the African American and Hispanic community so as to avoid Bernie's fatal flaw.

Anarkii posted:

She'll be 74 in 2024. Not gonna happen.

ScrubLeague posted:

It's nice of you to say that the age of a woman matters less than the age of a man, but let's take a peek at the real world.

ScrubLeague posted:

She was pretty heavily panned by the right as a grouchy old lady in 2008. I'm not saying Warren at 74 wouldn't get votes, but since her name isn't Clinton the Democratic Party wouldn't support her.

Enourmo posted:

welp im officially disillusioned for life, peace everyone

Enourmo posted:

hilonald clintrump 2016 4 lyfe

Cao Ni Ma posted:

Went to sleep thinking that Sanders would at least get Mississippi. Didn't even get that.

Jewel Repetition posted:

In that dumb rear end in a top hat's defense, Trump did come in short of his 538 delegate target today.

ScrubLeague posted:

She was pretty heavily panned by the right as a grouchy old lady in 2008. I'm not saying Warren at 74 wouldn't get votes, but since her name isn't Clinton the Democratic Party wouldn't support her.

ScrubLeague posted:

Irony is more appealing than earnestness to youths. Caring about something is dangerous, because you look silly if it doesn't work out. Every kid wants to be cool and fit in, so looking foolish is world-shattering. It's much less risky to support "let's see what happens if" than it is to have a serious opinion about a candidate you take seriously.

Nonsense posted:

Republicans have every major office in the country. One more election.

Cardboard Box A posted:

zen death robot posted:

How many places still don't use touchscreen ballots?

zen death robot posted:

How many places still don't use touchscreen ballots?

zen death robot posted:

How many places still don't use touchscreen ballots?