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The Artificial Kid posted:You ever have one of those moments where you wonder if one of the times in the past when you maybe could have died (that time you had a very high fever, or fell off your bike and hit your head, or passed out on a hot day) you actually did die, and went to hell, but you didn't notice because hell starts slowly? I guess you hadn’t been paying attention to the whole climate change thing 
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The Artificial Kid posted:It could have been over in a couple of weeks. It was maybe possible at the start when it was a less virulent strain confined to wealthier and well-organised nations, but good luck getting war refugees in Afghanistan or subsistence farmers in Mali or flat-broke workers in Beirut to give a gently caress about COVID, they have bigger problems.
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Also the fact that it's been detected in wild animals (including feral cats/dogs/etc) means that we are highly unlikely to eliminate all the animal reservoirs for the virus.
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The Artificial Kid posted:You ever have one of those moments where you wonder if one of the times in the past when you maybe could have died (that time you had a very high fever, or fell off your bike and hit your head, or passed out on a hot day) you actually did die, and went to hell, but you didn't notice because hell starts slowly? this applies to basically every societal problem. aint nothing wrong on planet earth except peoples brains
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Centusin posted:https://twitter.com/sarahinthesen8/status/1433965275003572225?s=20 Why doesn't anyone call out the Craig Kelly/Palmer poo poo as what they really are, working proxies for Liberals to say the most extreme stuff while maintaining a flimsy veneer of deniability. Craig Kelly is out there saying this poo poo because the PM and liberal party managers told him to.
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freebooter posted:It was maybe possible at the start when it was a less virulent strain confined to wealthier and well-organised nations, but good luck getting war refugees in Afghanistan or subsistence farmers in Mali or flat-broke workers in Beirut to give a gently caress about COVID, they have bigger problems. The level of restrictions needed to be applied to people is inversely proportional to their distance from other people. So while it's true that someone who lives in a hamlet in the hills is going to be harder to get on aboard the quarantine train, it's also less of a problem there. As far as animals acting as reservoirs, I wasn't aware that there was sustained animal transmission going on, if that's the case then it may change the eradication picture a bit. But the fact remains that right now, all over the world, leaders like Morrison who had no concept of enlightened cooperation unless it was forced on them, are skating while the rest of us live in their poo poo. The Artificial Kid fucked around with this message at 10:12 on Sep 4, 2021 |
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Pleasant Friend posted:Why doesn't anyone call out the Craig Kelly/Palmer poo poo as what they really are, working proxies for Liberals to say the most extreme stuff while maintaining a flimsy veneer of deniability. Uh huh uh huh Scott Morrison in a brilliant move to look even more pathetically ineffective and not able to control the party he nominally heads up charges Craig Kelly to directly contradict and publicly undermine him.
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Eediot Jedi posted:Uh huh uh huh Scott Morrison in a brilliant move to look even more pathetically ineffective and not able to control the party he nominally heads up charges Craig Kelly to directly contradict and publicly undermine him. Scott Morrison is nothing if not pathetically ineffective. But yes, it is transparent as gently caress, they did this last election with Clive Palmer and are using the exact same playbook this election, invent a proxy to say all the messages that are too vile, stupid and hateful for the Liberal party to say themselves, but will appeal to a segment of society and attempt to push the conversation rightwards. It particularly helps that the media in this nation will never call them out on it and are outright complicit in selling the lie.
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nah Clive is in it to grift and for his ego. Sure bigger brainworms will use the UAP to broadcast their own messages but Clive doesn't care. He'll take the easiest path to more votes so he can extract concessions from the government. Clive doesn't help the LNP, by shifting the conversation further right and presenting extreme positions like firebombing refugee boats as reasonable, he makes the LNP look weak, to split votes from them, so he can sell the votes back to them.
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The Artificial Kid posted:People living like people in Afghanistan or Mali live aren't what's driving this epidemic, it's people who demand the right to travel from one side of the world to the other in a matter of hours, and mingle freely at their destination. If you live your life in walking distance COVID might as well be nonexistant in the time it would take for the jet-set countries to get their poo poo together and squash it. A significant fraction of the cases worldwide came from China via America and a handful of other countries that acted as incubator-distributors for the virus right at the time when China was burning the virus out of itself like Rambo with a thimbleful of gunpowder. Which is why I said it was true at the start but is no longer true now. If first world cities like Melbourne and Sydney with highly competent and well-funded public health bureaucracies can't eliminate Delta even with the strictest of lockdowns, good luck getting it to work in the overcrowded slums of Dhaka or Kinshasa or Phnom Penh, even if the political will to do so was there. You're dreaming. We are never eliminating COVID unless we develop a vaccine with sterilising immunity and even then it'll take decades.
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EoinCannon posted:They found lots of wild deer in America with covid apparently Maybe Rogan ate some.
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freebooter posted:
And we will eventually open up in SA. But it's insanity for NSW and the feds to suggest we open up next month when we've barely hit 50% double vaxxed, and that's not including the time needed post jab for people's bodies to build immunity. We're staying shut until our health experts, not a business lobbied premier says so.
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freebooter posted:Which is why I said it was true at the start but is no longer true now.
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The Artificial Kid posted:The strictest lockdown is everyone gets food parcels delivered by the government and doesn't leave their house except by ambulance until COVID stops existing. Since August 23rd Ho Chi Minh City residents aren't allowed to leave their home except for essential workers in 11 different groups, and there are police checkpoints everywhere so documents are definitely being examined. Food is being delivered by community workers and soldiers, at certain essential offices and factories workers are having to work, eat and sleep there. No real sign any of it is working yet.
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Cpt Soban posted:And we will eventually open up in SA. But it's insanity for NSW and the feds to suggest we open up next month when we've barely hit 50% double vaxxed, and that's not including the time needed post jab for people's bodies to build immunity. We're staying shut until our health experts, not a business lobbied premier says so. Yeah, open up when giving more freedom will actually, ya know, result in the population having more freedom. In the near future it will just result in more restrictions on our day to day life.
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Centusin posted:Since August 23rd Ho Chi Minh City residents aren't allowed to leave their home except for essential workers in 11 different groups, and there are police checkpoints everywhere so documents are definitely being examined. Food is being delivered by community workers and soldiers, at certain essential offices and factories workers are having to work, eat and sleep there. No real sign any of it is working yet. Anyway, I’m not trying to argue that we can stop it successfully now, I started out acknowledging that we are unable to come together on collective action that would achieve it. I’m just annoyed that the guilty parties will get off Morrison Free, and probably all congregate for tea and medals after absolutely flubbing one of the easiest tests of collective action we’ve ever faced. The Artificial Kid fucked around with this message at 13:42 on Sep 4, 2021 |
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If everyone just planned to stay put for one month we could kick this viruses rear end. Of course it wouldn't happen. But you could have kill bots going around shooting anyone on the street. It'd make for a hosed up movie setting. Kind of like the purge, but you could call it Lock Down. It's not like we're not in the process of already killing wild animal populations, we'll just cull them too. Agent Orange every forest in America, they're practically doing it already.
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Senor Tron posted:Yeah, open up when giving more freedom will actually, ya know, result in the population having more freedom. Our only requirement is to wear a mask in public buildings. We don't need one on if we're eating/drinking. So if you're sitting in a pub it's like nothing is happening. Dunno what "restrictions" you're talking about for us right now. And when we're fully vaxxed, it'll never be a thing again. Konomex posted:If everyone just planned to stay put for one month we could kick this viruses rear end. Of course it wouldn't happen. A 14 day lockdown the moment that one limo driver was detected would have stopped it completely. Better yet- Requiring masks/jabs for transporting international flight crew would have stopped a lockdown from happening at all. Cpt Soban fucked around with this message at 13:49 on Sep 4, 2021 |
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Launchpad McQuack posted:As a front line health worker in WA I feel I need to call you a delusional fuckwit who is talking out of your rear end on the internet to feel make yourself feel better about a garbage Premier who has lied from day one. Anecdotally, a nurse I know in WA is leaving the profession after having a baby girl, basically because of the rear end-backwards staffing bullshit that nurses put up with. She and her husband both do shift work, and if they're both on a night shift at the same time there's literally nobody to care for their daughter. Can she ask for them to co-ordinate something so that they don't both get night shifts on the same day? Nope, because "tHaT wOuLdN't Be FaIr" on the other nurses. She's left with trying to arrange shift swaps if she gets an unworkable scheduling conflict. She tried so hard to make it work, but it was too stressful so the system loses another qualified nurse in a crucial time, even without anyone here having to deal with COVID.
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The Artificial Kid posted:I’m just annoyed that the guilty parties will get off Morrison Free, and probably all congregate for tea and medals after absolutely flubbing one of the easiest tests of collective action we’ve ever faced. It's fun that the literal worst thing that will happen to Scott or Gladys is that they get voted out next election. And even that's not guaranteed to happen.
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Centusin posted:Since August 23rd Ho Chi Minh City residents aren't allowed to leave their home except for essential workers in 11 different groups, and there are police checkpoints everywhere so documents are definitely being examined. Food is being delivered by community workers and soldiers, at certain essential offices and factories workers are having to work, eat and sleep there. No real sign any of it is working yet. Is Bunnings open?
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Phigs posted:It's fun that the literal worst thing that will happen to Scott or Gladys is that they get voted out next election. And even that's not guaranteed to happen. They'll get sweet gigs for the Business/Mining lobby groups, or the IPA.
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Cpt Soban posted:Our only requirement is to wear a mask in public buildings. We don't need one on if we're eating/drinking. So if you're sitting in a pub it's like nothing is happening. Dunno what "restrictions" you're talking about for us right now. That's exactly my point.
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Phigs posted:It's fun that the literal worst thing that will happen to Scott or Gladys is that they get voted out next election. And even that's not guaranteed to happen. We should take inspiration from the romans and as soon as you’re out of office you get sued to oblivion / murdered and thrown in the river
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Cpt Soban posted:Our only requirement is to wear a mask in public buildings. We don't need one on if we're eating/drinking. So if you're sitting in a pub it's like nothing is happening. Dunno what "restrictions" you're talking about for us right now. And when we're fully vaxxed, it'll never be a thing again. Restrictions post vaccination plateau (which will be higher than 70%, lower than 100%) are still going to be a thing for a while. Nothing major like the lockdowns we see now, but probably still capacity limits, masks in schools, university lectures online only, definitely vaccination passports. Senor Tron's point is that for you and everyone else in SA that will be an increase in restrictions. (Unless, I suppose, one considers the ability to travel interstate and internationally again to offset them.)
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I'm fairly concerned about how the entertainment/gig industry is going to handle it. I don't see us having anything beyond the reduced cap/sitdown shows we had last year which kinda blows depending on what you're into I guess. Probably see a lot of pubs switch to acoustic cover acts playing wonderwall for the 50 millionth time just because it's easier than booking a band and selling tickets to a niche crowd.
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Tommunist posted:How narrow was this mine
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Kazzah posted:Booked in my vax for... November Which state are you in? Worth checking this Whirlpool thread as they’ve discovered different ways to get a booking sooner: https://forums.whirlpool.net.au/thread/96ppyl69?p=-1#bottom
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Halo14 posted:Which state are you in? Despair
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freebooter posted:Restrictions post vaccination plateau (which will be higher than 70%, lower than 100%) are still going to be a thing for a while. Nothing major like the lockdowns we see now, but probably still capacity limits, masks in schools, university lectures online only, definitely vaccination passports. Senor Tron's point is that for you and everyone else in SA that will be an increase in restrictions. (Unless, I suppose, one considers the ability to travel interstate and internationally again to offset them.) I'm resigned to the fact that i'll be wearing a mask for a long long time.
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Masks, reduced capacity venues and work from home is all here to stay unfortunately. University's are going to get smashed. All those sweet sweet accommodation dollars...
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abigserve posted:work from home is all here to stay unfortunately. I'm OK with this actually. My wife really enjoys working from home.
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Kazzah posted:Booked in my vax for... November As a note, keep your booking but keep looking for vaccination slots - they regularly turn up and you can get vacced much earlier Whirlpool thread just llinked is a good example
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Covidqueue.com too.
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Kazzah posted:Booked in my vax for... November What's preventing you from getting AZ?
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