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FactsAreUseless posted:Yeah, we should ban fascism and racism and all the other bad things. It would be cool if all those things went away forever, because of a ban. It would also be cool if if we had limitless free clean energy and we banned war, too. Murder is illegal and still happens, I guess we should just get rid of that law and attack the root reasons that people kill each other
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Help Im Alive posted:My Dad voted leave because he's terrified of muslims and was/is convinced they'll take over There's actually some Muslims back home these days? When I was wee the only minorities you would see was one of the few thousand Chinese who lived there, outside that, the most exotic people you'd see came up from the Free State (and promptly got their knees bashed in, as often as not.)
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rscott posted:Murder is illegal and still happens, I guess we should just get rid of that law and attack the root reasons that people kill each other
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Oct 16, 2016 18:58
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Laws against actions definitely are the same as laws against ideas. That won't cause any problems, in much the same way that laws against actions and laws against possessions are equal and no issues have ever been caused by prohibitions against, say, drugs. Those laws were never, ever used to target groups who don't hold political power.
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Oct 16, 2016 18:59
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RuanGacho posted:The politics of fear is not a melanin problem. the darker people actually have a reason to be afraid.
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Oct 16, 2016 18:59
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rscott posted:Murder is illegal and still happens, I guess we should just get rid of that law and attack the root reasons that people kill each other The act of murder is illegal. We don't throw people in jail for thinking about murder because it may at some time in the future lead to a murder.
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FactsAreUseless posted:Haha, yeah, that's definitely a thing I'm saying. Murder laws are applied disproportionately to minorities, they're clearly racist and ineffective and should be replaced with laws targeting the root causes of homicide
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Oct 16, 2016 19:00
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In Ferguson, the police there used traffic laws as a way to turn a black population that didn't hold political power into a ready source of revenue. That's how little it takes. And you're going to, what, criminalize opinions that don't fall within a certain window? And you think that's just going to work out great? These broad-reaching, extremely vague proposals?
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Oct 16, 2016 19:00
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Mr Hootington posted:https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/787663755324694528 This question really doesn't tell a full story though. "Generic Republican who will act as a check and balance" sounds a whole lot more appealing than "Guy who supported Donald Trump and wants to kill the gays."
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Oct 16, 2016 19:00
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Penisaurus Sex posted:The act of murder is illegal. We don't throw people in jail for thinking about murder because it may at some time in the future lead to a murder. Fascism is literally violence as an ideology, I don't know if you understand that
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Oct 16, 2016 19:01
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Has this story seen any traction yet? No there is nothing floating out there. If it is known about, the journos maybe vetting.
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Oct 16, 2016 19:01
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FactsAreUseless posted:Whose resources? Who enforces it? How do you stop people from targeting groups like BLM with it? What specific opinions are banned? Is it illegal to broadcast them? To post them online? To write them down? To discuss them privately? If someone denies holding an opinion, can they run for office? If they held it in the past and no longer do can they run? What if they're too far left? There have been authoritarian leftists. Are we just banning anyone who isn't sufficiently libertarian? Well over here you've got the old stand by of "an opinion that is likely to cause a breach of the peace". That and transmitting something designed to incite racial or religious hatred.
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Oct 16, 2016 19:03
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Josef bugman posted:Well over here you've got the old stand by of "an opinion that is likely to cause a breach of the peace". That and transmitting something designed to incite racial or religious hatred.
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Oct 16, 2016 19:03
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rscott posted:Fascism is literally violence as an ideology, I don't know if you understand that Putting that aside, in your fantasy world where you ban fascism forever, how do you actually enforce this? Do we just send out death squads in vans to kill people reading "Mein Kampf" by candlelight or something? What's the endgame in actually doing this?
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Oct 16, 2016 19:04
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video http://store.steampowered.com/app/507010/  shames
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Anyone who even mentions the idea or the basis of an idea of regulating any kind of language that isn't business terminology or advertising based is a literal loving retard
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Penisaurus Sex posted:Putting that aside, in your fantasy world where you ban fascism forever, how do you actually enforce this? Do we just send out death squads in vans to kill people reading "Mein Kampf" by candlelight or something? What's the endgame in actually doing this? No. We just make them ineligible for office because there's no loving way they intend to respect or uphold the Constitution.
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Oct 16, 2016 19:06
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:No. We just make them ineligible for office because there's no loving way they intend to respect or uphold the Constitution. So how do you define who a fascist is? What political position do you have to hold to turn you from Not-Fascist into Fascist? Is it just if you're racist?
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:No. We just make them ineligible for office because there's no loving way they intend to respect or uphold the Constitution.
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Penisaurus Sex posted:Putting that aside, in your fantasy world where you ban fascism forever, how do you actually enforce this? Do we just send out death squads in vans to kill people reading "Mein Kampf" by candlelight or something? What's the endgame in actually doing this? Round up all the liberal enablers and send them to re-education camps of course
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Oct 16, 2016 19:07
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overdesigned posted:US football fans continue to have strong opinions about protesting during the national anthem: Has he made a statement to the effect of "a bunch of angry white wing assholes yelling at me just reinforces why I protest" yet?
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The Constitution Is Bullshit™
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overdesigned posted:US football fans continue to have strong opinions about protesting during the national anthem: PC Culture runs amok!
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:No. We just make them ineligible for office because there's no loving way they intend to respect or uphold the Constitution. So are you suggesting that people who want to alter the constitution shouldn't be eligible for office? Because, uh, that seems to go somewhat against the intent of the constitution's original authors.
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Mr Hootington posted:https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/787663755324694528 I'm surprised such a push-poll question managed to get 40% for the other answer. People have an irrational hard-on for "checks and balances." If you asked "Would you vote for a Republican candidate who can then block most of Hillary Clinton's agenda?", I wonder what percentage you'd get.
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:No. We just make them ineligible for office because there's no loving way they intend to respect or uphold the Constitution. Ah, so then when a politician wants to change the constitution or enact a law that, say, regulates the ownership of weapons or the regulation of speech (like no threatening people), we kick them out and ban them from future office?
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I'm starting to think this extremely poorly-thought-out proposal hasn't been thought out very well.
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Oct 16, 2016 19:11
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:Fascists aren't minorities because they not people. I have the answer guys. 
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Remember, it's okay to declare someone an Unperson if you really, really don't like what they have to say. But it has to be reaaaaaal bad.
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AceOfFlames posted:OK, my turn to make a noob question: what are ~tildes~ around words supposed to mean? Does ~surrounding~ and putting only ~one mean different things? It's already been said more succinctly but... I generally understand them to be (and use them as) sarcastic/mocking/facetious tone marker. That is, to highlight a (usually cliched) phrase or term that some people take very seriously and I think is hogwash. For example:
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Groovelord Neato posted:the darker people actually have a reason to be afraid. True.
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The war on drugs has been a loving disaster, imagine how much worse a war on fascism/racism/misogyny would be. e: OK reading this over it looks like Im saying we shouldnt even try which is wrong. We should try to stop these but declaring war on it or trying to do whatever weird legislation you seem to be implying would have way too many ways of backfiring. Furnaceface fucked around with this message at 19:17 on Oct 16, 2016 |
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It's actually really anti-trump. Especially towards the end of the game where it goes from gently poking fun at the man towards outright making GBS threads all over with him. Hell, it ends with you traveling back in time to play as the shooter after Trump starts a nuclear war and basically creates the Fourth Reich. TL;DR: There've been Trump supporters shrieking about it since it came out and threatening Steam/the devs to take it down. The ending is a bit hosed (Especially with all the implied threats towards Hillary i've seen this election. One doesn't justify the other!  ) to say the least but holy poo poo the amount of tears i've saw out of it after many of the same posters were crowing about the pro-Trump game has been something. I've even seen a few people inventing conspiracy theories to justify why the game should be removed. Apparently irony is dead to them.
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The only moral fascism is my fascism.
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FactsAreUseless posted:Where are you? Can you tell me more about these laws/how they've been used? U.k. They are usually applied to smaller organisations (not national newspapers) that are being obviously racist. There is a fair amount of leeway as regards inplementation and interaction with the law. Can't think of any exact examples at the moment, sorry.
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FactsAreUseless posted:Remember, it's okay to declare someone an Unperson if you really, really don't like what they have to say. But it has to be reaaaaaal bad. So is your objection to the characteristication of fascism as an ideology that doesn't want to murder everyone not like them or what?
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FactsAreUseless posted:So would Clinton be ineligible for office because she doesn't respect the U.S. Constitution because she's against the Second Amendment and she wants a one-world government and no borders? She isn't a fascist. She isn't even the same liberal in the sense her husband was. Penisaurus Sex posted:So how do you define who a fascist is? What political position do you have to hold to turn you from Not-Fascist into Fascist? Is it just if you're racist? You can start with the people who are openly calling for the harm of American citizens, in particular those who are minorities. There are far more rigorous definitions, of course. But this already starts to clearly separate Donald Trump from the rest of the cowards in the GOP.
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Good attention to detail, with the small hands.
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Paradoxish posted:So are you suggesting that people who want to alter the constitution shouldn't be eligible for office? Because, uh, that seems to go somewhat against the intent of the constitution's original authors. you should be booted from office if you vote for unconstitutional laws imo. Penisaurus Sex posted:So how do you define who a fascist is? if you advocate palingenetic ultranationalism.
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:She isn't a fascist. She isn't even the same liberal in the sense her husband was.
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