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Kvlt! posted:Metal and punk have been using swastikas for shock value since the Sex Pistols. It's nothing new. Emperor haven't played in America in like a decade and I'm not sure they can even get visas because of their felonies. You're telling people to protest things that aren't happening.
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Kvlt! posted:Metal and punk have been using swastikas for shock value since the Sex Pistols. It's nothing new. what about anti muslim lyrics i listen to "suspicious" noise and metal but i wouldn't like my local venue to host NSBM or nazi gigs (not that i'm saying taake is NSBM, but all real black metal is inherently suspicious).
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Kvlt! posted:Metal and punk have been using swastikas for shock value since the Sex Pistols. It's nothing new. More to the point that while Hoest may not espouse a Nazi ideology, there's a subset of fans that do and attend the concerts. Taake may not be a Nazi band, but the perception is there and people attend shows because of that. Nobody really cares about Satanism and poo poo like that these days because it's no longer shocking. The nerve is so raw right now in regards to far right poo poo that people are going to look at everything through a microscope. I'm sure Hoest could have responded and been like "look I'm literally not a Nazi", but when you've got a lyrical base that got a lot of poo poo like that in there, it's hard to argue the point.
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A human heart posted:Whats your fav obscure industrial band friend is Author & Punisher obscure? he's pretty cool Vargatron posted:More to the point that while Hoest may not espouse a Nazi ideology, there's a subset of fans that do and attend the concerts. Same reason I hate going to Eyehategod shows
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COOL CORN posted:is Author & Punisher obscure? he's pretty cool he is cool! not that obscure and like godflesh, industrial metal with emphasis on metal but yeah, very cool COOL CORN posted:Same reason I hate going to Eyehategod shows care to elaborate? i like them enough to have their logo tattooed on my arm and i know mike has some uh, questionable tattoos but i never thought they'd be perceived as suspicious in any way? i mean they tour with cro-mags and discharge.
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Dyna Soar posted:what about anti muslim lyrics I've only heard of the swastika stuff, but I mean all black metal is inherently anti-religion. If he's going after Muslims for racial reasons that's obviously not ok, but if he's targetting the religion I think that is the same as screaming against any religion. I mean I would definitely be upset if a local venue hosted an actual NSBM band. I just don't think Taake is one. Granted I'm not an expert but to me it seems Hoest is an edgelord not a Nazi.
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Kvlt! posted:I've only heard of the swastika stuff, but I mean all black metal is inherently anti-religion. If he's going after Muslims for racial reasons that's obviously not ok, but if he's targetting the religion I think that is the same as screaming against any religion. it's totally not the same thing and you know it's not. i think it's very understandable that anti-muslim lyrics cause controversy while anti-christian lyrics don't. Kvlt! posted:I mean I would definitely be upset if a local venue hosted an actual NSBM band. I just don't think Taake is one. Granted I'm not an expert but to me it seems Hoest is an edgelord not a Nazi. edgelordism has the unfortunate downside that sometimes people take what an edgelord says seriously lol
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Dyna Soar posted:it's totally not the same thing and you know it's not. i think it's very understandable that anti-muslim lyrics cause controversy while anti-christian lyrics don't. I haven't read what exactly his comments are, but I think it is absolutely ok to criticize Muslim theology in the same way it is ok to criticize any theology. If you criticize Muslim people because you hate brown people that's a whole different story, but from a purely theological standpoint I don't believe any faith is off limits to criticism. Vargatron posted:More to the point that while Hoest may not espouse a Nazi ideology, there's a subset of fans that do and attend the concerts. Taake may not be a Nazi band, but the perception is there and people attend shows because of that. I hadn't considered this point, and I think you make a good argument. I suppose even if the band itself arent Nazis, if they draw nazis to the concert I definitely wouldn't want them in my town.
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I would also like to know about Eyehategod's connection to far right stuff is. Being friends with Phil Anselmo doesn't count. I also have trouble getting mad about islamophobia in songs about how religion is bad, even if it is punching down. Sorry if that sounds Bill Maher-ish.
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Kvlt! posted:I haven't read what exactly his comments are, but I think it is absolutely ok to criticize Muslim theology in the same way it is ok to criticize any theology. If you criticize Muslim people because you hate brown people that's a whole different story, but from a purely theological standpoint I don't believe any faith is off limits to criticism. http://lyricstranslate.com/en/orkan-hurricane.html#ixzz58QK1gA00 We speak flames of gold and gunpowder We don't fly on rugs but headwinds Storm Paganism fortifies its flag No one shall flay my ancient land The farmer shall shapen his axe again Kingdom shines through Years of dishonour and Christian times Deadly inner strife To hell with Muhammad and Muslims Unforgivable customs For it smoulders in after wartimes The sun of Winter rise in the west For those who burn our flag Bastards Felt Lords of testimony Austerity for austerity now awakens soon Norway deep theological criticism, indeed
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Dyna Soar posted:http://lyricstranslate.com/en/orkan-hurricane.html#ixzz58QK1gA00 Ok those are bad
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Dyna Soar posted:http://lyricstranslate.com/en/orkan-hurricane.html#ixzz58QK1gA00 Again, I was speaking generally. As I had stated before, I had not read what Taake had said or what their lyrics were. All I said was if A HYPOTHETICAL PERSON was making actual theological criticisms (and not "i hate Muslims because they're brown" rhetoric) that is ok, I never said that Taake were making legitimate theological criticisms. Obviously what Taake said does not fall under legitimate theological criticisms and is not ok. Kvlt! fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Feb 28, 2018 |
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sure, i agree with you. however i think that saying such things when we're talking about suspicious black metal bands is kind of naive, as black metal isn't exactly known for it's civilized critique lol
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Henchman of Santa posted:Emperor haven't played in America in like a decade and I'm not sure they can even get visas because of their felonies. You're telling people to protest things that aren't happening. Apparently they don't go to the US becuase it's really expensive. Make of that what you will BTW Faust is the one who murdered a guy, and was replaced by Trym after In the Nightside Eclipse. Faust toured with them for 2014 after he got out of prison but Trym was the drummer on tours before and after, and I don't recall Ihsahn, Samoth or Trym having felonies (but I might be wrong?)
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Dyna Soar posted:sure, i agree with you. however i think that saying such things when we're talking about suspicious black metal bands is kind of naive, as black metal isn't exactly known for it's civilized critique lol I suppose in hindsight it was kind of naive, you got me there.
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fwiw we have the NSBM discussion at least once a quarter ITT.
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Baron Von Ghoulosh posted:I saw Metallica 4 times from the late 80s to the mid-90s. Including the infamous GN'R tour in '92. I just prefer to remember them that way. greensboro 89, raleigh 92, and va beach 98 they were definitely running out of gas at the last one. woof
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MikeCrotch posted:Apparently they don't go to the US becuase it's really expensive. Make of that what you will I thought they all had criminal records from church arson but I could be confused or thinking of any number of other second wave bands.
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If you're dumb enough to paint a swastika on your chest for a gig in Germany and you're not even a nazi, I honestly couldn't give any less of a poo poo if that completely kills your career. His statement re: cancelling even reads like it was ghostwritten by Varg. Goddamn do I hate black metal edgelords.
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Dyna Soar posted:he is cool! not that obscure and like godflesh, industrial metal with emphasis on metal but yeah, very cool Henchman of Santa posted:I would also like to know about Eyehategod's connection to far right stuff is. Being friends with Phil Anselmo doesn't count. Let me clarify - AFAIK EHG don't have any problematic issues themselves, but each of the three times I saw them in NC the crowd has been peppered with neo nazis. Might just be coincidence!
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While I'm not saying antifa have never done anything wrong, they're still way better than actual neo nazi's or alt righters and anyone ranting about them almost always turns out to be an awful person. Also Talib Kweli is cool and a good rapper. So no, I'm not siding with Taake here, even if they're not actually racists they're just reaping the results of their actions and responding to it in a bad way. You can't claim that you're using the swastika just to be provocative and then get upset when people are provoked.
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No, just better at seperating politics and personalities from music than some people (like me).
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Dyna Soar posted:i love both burzum and dead prez, am i weird Big Arghoslent and Public Enemy fan checking in
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i also like roman polanskis movies, charles chaplin movies, would totally drive a ford car, read louis-ferdinand celine, eddie murphys stand up is hilarious and burzum made some of the best black metal ever /end NSBM discussion
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Smirr posted:Is Charlie Chaplin problematic Have you seen his mustache?
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Smirr posted:Is Charlie Chaplin problematic he had a thing for little girls.
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il_cornuto posted:While I'm not saying antifa have never done anything wrong, they're still way better than actual neo nazi's or alt righters and anyone ranting about them almost always turns out to be an awful person. yeah getting upset about antifa is a sure sign you're a ben shapiro-worshiping manlet Dyna Soar posted:sure, i agree with you. however i think that saying such things when we're talking about suspicious black metal bands is kind of naive, as black metal isn't exactly known for it's civilized critique lol brb gonna start a one man bedroom raw 1st wave band whose gimmick is comparing and contrasting various ahadith The Muppets On PCP fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Feb 28, 2018 |
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I'm looking for some "slower" death metal. I like death-doom but I'm looking for something that is less the fast/slow dynamic and contrast of death-doom and more old school mid-tempo death metal. Basically I'm looking for Bolt Thrower worship.
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Asphyx https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuojIbv2eyA
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Asphyx is great! That's definitely the style I'm after.
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winter, dream death, coffins, hooded menace, disma, autopsy, serpentine path
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Dyna Soar posted:winter, dream death, coffins, hooded menace, disma, autopsy, serpentine path I'll check these out, thank you! I'm always torn on Winter, because I enjoy the music but the guitar tones are just awful. I'm usually pretty open to lovely tones but Winter's is just particularly grating to me. I'm a huge Autopsy fan though so if the other bands you posted are like them, then it should be right up my alley.
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this is pretty cool tech death https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqItcG8m4gI
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I mostly only like a smattering of older tech death but that is pretty cool and different. There's some really weird mixing going on at 2:23 that I really didn't enjoy though. Also those clean vocals are going to be super divisive. I do appreciate that it has actual good riffs and that the guitar tone isn't super clean and squeaky.
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These kids pull off a pretty sick Led Zeppelin impression https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXdM1rqSlSQ
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Nordick posted:These kids pull off a pretty sick Led Zeppelin impression Put some shoes on, bassist guy, you nasty
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Kvlt! posted:I'm looking for some "slower" death metal. I like death-doom but I'm looking for something that is less the fast/slow dynamic and contrast of death-doom and more old school mid-tempo death metal. Temple of Void
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kumba posted:this is pretty cool tech death  Been waiting for this poo poo!
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