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CLAM DOWN posted:I'm not a "Liberal" and did not/have voted for a Liberal candidate. Not you - I meant a typical Liberal middle-of-the-road decision that'll piss off the left and right alike.
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St. Dogbert posted:Not you - I meant a typical Liberal middle-of-the-road decision that'll piss off the left and right alike. Got it. That's pretty much what this boils down to. Rejecting Northern Gateway and the tanker moratorium are very good decisions, but approving KM is loving terrible. I absolutely will be on the front lines protesting that.
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Nov 29, 2016 23:24
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Someone explain all the hate for the Kinder Morgan pipeline for me. Aren't pipelines much,much safer then conventional systems for transporting oil like trains or ships?
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People who just don't want the oil produced/transported at all. It's not "pipelines are safer than trains" it's "The entire oil industry, specially the tar sands, need to be phased the gently caress out"
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I believe the common issue is one of maintenance, inspections, and remediation in case of a leak. If leaks occur and aren't caught it can destroy the habitat the pipeline runs though, poisoning the water table and affecting wildlife and people down stream. The easiest way to prevent that is to not have a pipeline.
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patonthebach posted:Someone explain all the hate for the Kinder Morgan pipeline for me. Aren't pipelines much,much safer then conventional systems for transporting oil like trains or ships? Pipelines still corrode, especially when transporting raw unprocessed crude. Baronjutter posted:People who just don't want the oil produced/transported at all. It's not "pipelines are safer than trains" it's "The entire oil industry, specially the tar sands, need to be phased the gently caress out" That's not happening within the next 20 years whether this pipeline deal goes through or not.
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MikeSevigny posted:I'll believe that moratorium is happening when it actually happens. Keep in mind it's a moratorium specifically on crude oil tankers.
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Know what doesn't need a pipeline across BC? A nuclear reactor. 
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Wistful of Dollars posted:Know what doesn't need a pipeline across BC? A nuclear reactor. Why do we need nuclear when we could have...Site C...hydro....water... *explodes with rage*
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patonthebach posted:Someone explain all the hate for the Kinder Morgan pipeline for me. Aren't pipelines much,much safer then conventional systems for transporting oil like trains or ships? Increased risk (by a factor of 7) of a massive oil tanker spill in the middle of a heavily populated metropolitan area. The authorities took 30 hours to respond to a small bunker fuel leak on a calm summer day ffs Juul-Whip fucked around with this message at 00:08 on Nov 30, 2016 |
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Nov 30, 2016 00:03
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Notley giving me whiplash with explaining how this is good for the environment https://twitter.com/RachelNotley/status/803723651837149184
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If prairie people want to poison their own lakes and drinking water so they can enjoy a few more years of easy money, fine. But Vancouverites are not going to happily assume that risk for them.
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Furnaceface posted:Middle Class Pipelines We need something to pay for our middle class fighter jets.
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THC posted:If prairie people want to poison their own lakes and drinking water so they can enjoy a few more years of easy money, fine. But Vancouverites are not going to happily assume that risk for them. Trudeau said that he was going to grow the economy from the heart outwards. Everybody knows that the heart of Canada's economy is Alberta oil and you grow off a heart with long tubes that carry liquid. I'm going to file this one under Promises Kept.
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THC posted:Increased risk (by a factor of 7) of a massive oil tanker spill in the middle of a heavily populated metropolitan area. The authorities took 30 hours to respond to a small bunker fuel leak on a calm summer day ffs This is my biggest beef. And not just the Burrard Inlet, the whole Salish Sea and the Juan de Fuca Strait as well. One single accident and we gently caress it all up for a very, very long time.
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Nov 30, 2016 00:41
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lol at all you dumb motherfuckers who voted liberal Also lol the fats
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Drunk Canuck posted:Notley giving me whiplash with explaining how this is good for the environment https://twitter.com/RachelNotley/status/803723651837149184 I don't really expect the Premier of Alberta to say "nah gently caress oil" regardless of party. Probably should, but not right now.
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namaste faggots posted:lol at all you dumb motherfuckers who voted liberal What was the other option? Vote NDP and end up with the CPC in charge again?
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patonthebach posted:Vote NDP and end up with the CPC in charge again? How exactly does that work?
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infernal machines posted:How exactly does that work? much like how the queers and freaks got too uppity and forced regular folks to elect Trump in defense of common sense and good morals or how an abusive spouse blames his wife for her disobedience causing him to lose his temper again
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namaste faggots posted:lol at all you dumb motherfuckers who voted liberal lol at us all, because they'll do it again in 2019.
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Nov 30, 2016 01:29
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CBC headline in 3 years: " Liberals run most progressive campaign ever, outflank NDP"
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patonthebach posted:Someone explain all the hate for the Kinder Morgan pipeline for me. Aren't pipelines much,much safer then conventional systems for transporting oil like trains or ships? Pipelines are a major infrastructure investment. Major infrastructure investments have numerous effects on the country, both short- and long-term. Some short-term effects are things like using up investment money that could have been spent on other things. Some long-term effects are things like making it easier and cheaper to export carbon fuels, which contribute to long-term global warming, and the expectation by investors in the pipeline, both public and private, that they will get returns from it for a long time, past the point where our society may decide it no longer wants to be an oil producing and exporting nation. Building pipelines locks in our economy to the production and export of carbon fuels, which a lot of us see as a bad thing. It diverts investment that could have gone to building a sustainable economy, directly contributes to global warming, and perpetuates our economy's reliance on oil production rather than trying to spend money to diversify our economy for the future. Pipelines are bad. gently caress pipelines and gently caress Trudeau.
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Trudeau is a prairie false flag cons that Flanked the NDP from THE LEFT
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Nov 30, 2016 01:37
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Wasn't Northern Gateway going to not end up happening anyway due to the dropping price of LNG? I could very well be wrong here but I'm fairly sure a reputable source said it wouldn't happen after being delayed for a while.
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Godinster posted:Wasn't Northern Gateway going to not end up happening anyway due to the dropping price of LNG? I could very well be wrong here but I'm fairly sure a reputable source said it wouldn't happen after being delayed for a while. It was a diluted bitumen pipeline, so I'm pretty sure that wasn't the reason.
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Godinster posted:Wasn't Northern Gateway going to not end up happening anyway due to the dropping price of LNG? I could very well be wrong here but I'm fairly sure a reputable source said it wouldn't happen after being delayed for a while. Foe what it is worth that's what the people "in the know" on my social media are saying as well.
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Godinster posted:Wasn't Northern Gateway going to not end up happening anyway due to the dropping price of LNG? I could very well be wrong here but I'm fairly sure a reputable source said it wouldn't happen after being delayed for a while. I think you are mixing up LNG projects and tar sands projects?
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Squibbles posted:I think you are mixing up LNG projects and tar sands projects? Yes. The unpleasantness surrounding a proposed LNG terminal on Lelu Island south of Prince Rupert will continue. Ships pilots must be wetting themselves with glee. $150k - $300k per year, two each per tanker going under the Second Narrows. Now that's Middle Class Good Times!
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Hexigrammus posted:Yes. The unpleasantness surrounding a proposed LNG terminal on Lelu Island south of Prince Rupert will continue. I'm sure you realise this, but for everyone else's benefit: Coastal Pilot is not a regular Joe middle class job. You've got to pass a ridiculously difficult entrance exam, and deal with getting accepted into an old boys' club. It's middle class in the same way Judges are middle class.
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Drunk Canuck posted:Notley giving me whiplash with explaining how this is good for the environment https://twitter.com/RachelNotley/status/803723651837149184 Political theatre of the highest kind, and one I'm willing to overlook honestly. Now she can turn around and say "our sound environmental policies, backstopped by this carbon tax you all seem to hate, was the key to getting these pipelines approved!". I doubt it will work, because our province is filled with retards who will vote for the "small government, pro-business" Wildrose party no matter what, but the oil industry isn't something Notley can afford to write off.
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B33rChiller posted:I'm sure you realise this, but for everyone else's benefit: Coastal Pilot is not a regular Joe middle class job. You've got to pass a ridiculously difficult entrance exam, and deal with getting accepted into an old boys' club. It's middle class in the same way Judges are middle class. Yeah, I suspect the odds of becoming a pilot is right up there with vet or heart surgeon. I approve of the high standards however; I sleep better at night after knowing some of the people who have been weeded out.
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Nov 30, 2016 03:39
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patonthebach posted:Someone explain all the hate for the Kinder Morgan pipeline for me. Aren't pipelines much,much safer then conventional systems for transporting oil like trains or ships? What makes you think they'll use trains and ships less with the pipeline, they'll just keep doing it and reap even higher profits
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B33rChiller posted:I'm sure you realise this, but for everyone else's benefit: Coastal Pilot is not a regular Joe middle class job. You've got to pass a ridiculously difficult entrance exam, and deal with getting accepted into an old boys' club. It's middle class in the same way Judges are middle class. In Justin Trudeau's Canada, everyone* is middle class! * Only applies to certain income brackets well above the poverty line
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Nov 30, 2016 03:44
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vyelkin posted:It diverts investment that could have gone to building a sustainable economy,.... In fairness, it's diverting private funds as it's Kinder Morgan footing the bill for the pipeline. I dont see a scenario in which these funds would have otherwise gone to renewables, barring some sort of government mandate.
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https://twitter.com/bobmackin/status/803750956819095553 oh DJ MAYOR MOONBEAM U SO DREAMY 
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namaste faggots posted:https://twitter.com/bobmackin/status/803750956819095553 He really is quite handsome tbf
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Thank you, other mayors, for existing and reminding me that Nenshi really is quite good, smart and physically attractive compared to the average mayor.
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