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apostateCourier posted:Apparently the Diamond Weapon fight is a capture mission. Bet you anything it doesn't go oversoul outside of the EX. I bet it does, just with a different pilot. Or maybe Creepy Rapeface makes an Oversoul that doesn't require a Gundam to initiate and he becomes the second phase of the fight.
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apostateCourier posted:Apparently the Diamond Weapon fight is a capture mission. Bet you anything it doesn't go oversoul outside of the EX. There was that weird moment in the trailer with the rippling arm 'muscles' that looked like an early part of a phase transition.
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Shame I think we are out of weapons, would be interesting to see them use days from emperor Solus. Just to see how Emet fought when he was pretending to just be a bad rear end conquering mortal
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Orcs and Ostriches posted:I doubt that. Extreme trials haven’t ever had any additional phases or story related content over the regular difficulties. Thordan?
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Thordan is just the normal but backwards
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Twibbit posted:Shame I think we are out of weapons, would be interesting to see them use days from emperor Solus. Just to see how Emet fought when he was pretending to just be a bad rear end conquering mortal <Solus> Oh NO what are they doing. Really? REALLY? *dramatic sigh* Well. Since APPARENTLY my grandson's minions cannot help themselves, I appear to have returned. For old time's sake, shall we have another round? It seems I have only limited control on where this thing is.. aimed.
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Its technically an add phase I guess but Hades' is completely different.
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If you count Savages on top of Extremes, then O8, O12, E4 and E12 all have extra phases.
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That’s the thing though - the final fight of each savage tier will often have extra phases, but Extremes usually don’t add complete different phases, just twists on the phases that were already there. You’re not generally going to see something like the NED fight in a trial.
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Shinryu EX had the Shinryu on the ground phase, which wasn't in normal.
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WrightOfWay posted:Shinryu EX had the Shinryu on the ground phase, which wasn't in normal. I mean, that’s still Shinryu though - just posing differently. He didn’t go through some massive transformation. Compare that to Exdeath->Neo-Exdeath.
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Yeah I guess back to my point, I’d consider Thordan and Shinryu having multiple phases present in Ex not in normal. They still pale compared to Exdeath, Kefka, Omega and Gaia. Titan and Shiva have their extra phase as well. And while Gaia is explicitly non canon, none of the others have any story affect either. The story is the same regardless of the extra mode. Diamond weapon not going oversoul in one, and oversoul in the other is a pretty hefty change.
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My bet is that Diamond Weapon has an improved Oversoul that has the traditional mecha "(x) minutes until it overheads and fries the pilot" mechanic so once you reach a certain point you have to finish in (x) minutes or wipe. Basically adding an enrage to a Normal but probably a forgiving one. I doubt they're going to hold off Oversoul.
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apostateCourier posted:It's been genuinely weird for me, playing an Au Ra girl named Allie with the same horns/face as the Allie amongst the WEAPON pilots. Must've been real awkward for him back when we fought. Gonna feel real awkward during the diamond fight for me. I had Curious Gorge falling madly in love with my doppelganger, so it could be worse. That was creepy.
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ImpAtom posted:My bet is that Diamond Weapon has an improved Oversoul that has the traditional mecha "(x) minutes until it overheads and fries the pilot" mechanic so once you reach a certain point you have to finish in (x) minutes or wipe. Basically adding an enrage to a Normal but probably a forgiving one. I doubt they're going to hold off Oversoul. 
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I think the difference between Ex and Savage is that Ex will sometimes have its fights have different phases while Savage will instead have extra fights. Angel Kefka, Oracle of Darkness, etc.
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The big difference between Gaius and Emet - and this is ignoring I want redemption for Gaius because I want the man to work for it - is that Emet knows the more toxic elements of Garlean ideology are bunk. Emet uses evil ideologies. He does not believe in them as the ideal shape of the world. If anything his own ideals about how the world ought to look are extremely familiar utopian and communal ideals. He knows that Garlean fascism is evil and it is a means to an end that requires evil means. It is not what his hope for the world would look like. If you put Emet-Selch in any of the crossover FF games, he would almost certainly be a member of the forces of Light, in terms of his own beliefs. Not Chaos. This does not mean Emet is not an evil architect of despair and suffering. It means he sees these as necessary evils, possibly intensified by his warped reasoning due to Tempering and trauma. If it was simply a matter of free choice, he would probably prefer a solution which required no sacrifice at all, but it's not. Gaius also means "well," in the sense that he wants a world united and prosperous. He has paternal and constructive instincts. But his ideological toolset was, until recently, wholly composed of semi-fascist (I don't think Garlemald explicitly embraces genocide among the rank and file enough to be a perfect match) and imperialist ideals about how the world works. And Varis, of course, is a true fascist believer for whom annihilation of the Other is a virtue in itself. Jetrauben fucked around with this message at 08:46 on Apr 12, 2021 |
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Jetrauben posted:If you put Emet-Selch in any of the crossover FF games, he would almost certainly be a member of the forces of Light, in terms of his own beliefs. Not Chaos. However in terms of their representation and imagery and everything, yeah they click those buttons pretty hard. But that's ultimately an aesthetic.
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Forgive me if these questions are naive. I seem to be bad at picking up subtext. And text. At the conference between the Garlean Emperor and the leaders of Eorzia, the Emperor reveals that his goal is to cause the Rejoining "because that is the only way the mankind will be strong enough to fight the Ascians". But the Ascians' whole objective is to cause the rejoining. So his secret plan to defeat the Ascians is to accomplish their entire object for them? How does that make any sense? I had hoped that this question would be revisited, but since he died I guess it will never be explained. The Emperor criticizes Gridania for trying to summon the Twelve in order to deal with Meteor, but why does no one point out that the Empire is responsible for Meteor? The flood of darkness that destroyed the Thirteenth rendered it useless to the Ascians, but they were behind the flood of light on the First, which would have also rendered it useless. What was their actual plan on the First supposed to be? It is shown on multiple occasions that Ran-jit is capable of seeing hidden things. Why is Thancred able to defeat him by turning invisible? It is brought up that Elidibus has forgotten some things. What exactly did he forget? A promise to Azem? Did he forget about the whole Rejoining plan? Why did Emet-Selch help the WoL kill a person who was trying to achieve Emet's goals? Why does Elidibus constantly blame the WoL for killing Lahabrea, when it was the Archbishop of Ishgard who betrayed and killed Lahabrea? How does everyone know that the WoL is a fragment of Azem? There were some hints on the first visit to Amourot that the WoL was a fragment of someone important to Emet-Selch and that Adbert was a fragment of the same person as the WoL, but how do we know that they are fragments of Azem, specifically? If the WoL was a fragment of Azem, shouldn't they be an Ascian, or were they spared that, since Azem didn't participate in the summoning of Zodiark? "The Shadowhunter" carries the masks of all the Ascians he's killed, but how is he killing them? Does he carry white auracite? Can Garleans even use white auracite, given they can't use magic? I feel like Tsukuyomi's summoning was completely avoidable. "Tsuyu"'s reaction to her parents showed she was starting to regain her memories, and she's shown she is capable of escaping the Doman Enclave, so they should have had someone accompanying her at all times. Her brother's outbursts to the WoL should have shown that he was not on the up-and-up, so they should have had someone escorting him any time he was in the Doman Enclave. Either of these measures would have prevented the tragedy. Where was Gaia for the hundred years between when she was born and when she attacked in Eden's Gate: Descent? Also, what was that monster carrying her? Just something she created with her dark powers? When Ryne and Gaia aren't sure what to do about their work being undone at the beginning of Eden's Promise, why don't they consider asking Uranger for advice? The WoL can still ferry messages between the First and the Source for them. Mitron was one of the convocation of 14. Shouldn't that make him an unsundered? I thought all of the unsundered were supposed to be dead after Elidibus died. How was the copied factory not noticed by Eulmore, since most of it is exposed to the sky and Eulmorians have airships? In the lore of Nier: Automata, androids are programmed to love humans to an extent almost bordering on obsession, yet 2P and 2B don't really react to suddenly seeing humans again. In ARR, the WoL slowly amasses 6 crystals of different colors, mostly from dealing with beast tribes. The WoL gets them, and then they are taken away, and then the WoL gets them back again. It's never really explained why they matter and they haven't been mentioned since HW. Midgar-zolmir, Omega, and the technology behind Ultima are said to come from another planet. How does that fit in with the cosmology we know about, where there are 13 alternate dimensions. Are there other inhabited planets on the First as well? One of the early Astrologian quests involves trying to find a woman who got separated from you in Limsa at night. One of the people you ask for information mentions "She's probably been taken to a pleasure-barge by now." Is sex slavery legal in Limsa? Does Merlwyb know? Why are we doing anything else besides immediately shutting it down? One of the early Samurai quests involves a woman who owes money to an usurious moneylender and will probably be sold into sex slavery since she can't pay. When the moneylender is confronted, he says "You can't do anything to me, because this is all legal." It's legal in Ul'dah too? Why are we doing anything to help these two city states when they are so awful?
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Emperor Varis is an accelerationist dipshit, and should not be taken seriously on any matters relating to anything, ever. He was arguing in bad faith, because his real views are complete nonsense. I know you have other questions, and many of them stem back to 'yeah the city-states are medieval to early colonialist-ish in laws, and are not modern with what we consider modern things being illegal'. But I wanted to answer that one REALLY quickly: Varis makes a lot more sense when you realize he's an rear end in a top hat you should mute on Twitter. Cleretic fucked around with this message at 01:21 on Apr 13, 2021 |
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Nebrilos posted:Forgive me if these questions are naive. I seem to be bad at picking up subtext. And text. The Emperor was kind of a dumbass. Hope that helps. Real answer - he may have known the Ascians were “complete” but by making humans “more complete,” he assumed he could muster a greater challenge. Nebrilos posted:The Emperor criticizes Gridania for trying to summon the Twelve in order to deal with Meteor, but why does no one point out that the Empire is responsible for Meteor? He’s a hypocrite. It’s like arguing with a nazi on Twitter. Nebrilos posted:The flood of darkness that destroyed the Thirteenth rendered it useless to the Ascians, but they were behind the flood of light on the First, which would have also rendered it useless. What was their actual plan on the First supposed to be? They weren’t planning on letting it get to the state of the 13th. They wanted to create a great imbalance to force a rejoining but Ardbert’s crew outsmarted them, which accidentally tipped things too far. Nebrilos posted:I feel like Tsukuyomi's summoning was completely avoidable. "Tsuyu"'s reaction to her parents showed she was starting to regain her memories, and she's shown she is capable of escaping the Doman Enclave, so they should have had someone accompanying her at all times. Her brother's outbursts to the WoL should have shown that he was not on the up-and-up, so they should have had someone escorting him any time he was in the Doman Enclave. Either of these measures would have prevented the tragedy. You know the phrase “suicide by cop”? Yotsuyu wanted “suicide by WoL” Someone else can handle the rest.
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Nebrilos posted:The flood of darkness that destroyed the Thirteenth rendered it useless to the Ascians, but they were behind the flood of light on the First, which would have also rendered it useless. What was their actual plan on the First supposed to be? The Flood of Light wasn't their plan -- their plan was to have Ardbert kill Cylla and trigger a more controlled Light-aspected state on the First. Instead, he chose to (a) spare her and (b) kill Lohgrif (and transform Mitron into Eden), which OVERaspected the First in Light, causing the Flood. Nebrilos posted:It is shown on multiple occasions that Ran-jit is capable of seeing hidden things. Why is Thancred able to defeat him by turning invisible? Because Thancred's invisibility trick also involves slowing his heartbeat to near nothing, and presumably Ran'jit isn't SEEING invisible things, he's detecting them through other senses. Nebrilos posted:"The Shadowhunter" carries the masks of all the Ascians he's killed, but how is he killing them? Does he carry white auracite? Can Garleans even use white auracite, given they can't use magic? The Ascians he kills are the scrubs who don't even get proper names, like "Three of Pentacles" and such, which anyone can kill without needing auracite and a burst of aether. Although, I do vaguely recall a red mask on his trophy strap, which would imply he killed one of the named ones, but it IS possible to kill the named ones, just not permanently without the auracite/aether combo. Nebrilos posted:Mitron was one of the convocation of 14. Shouldn't that make him an unsundered? I thought all of the unsundered were supposed to be dead after Elidibus died. The only unsundered were Lahabrea, Emet, and Elidibus. All of the other Convocation-seat-havers among the Ascians are sundered who were raised up by the other three. This also probably answers part of your Azem question, as the unsundered (or maybe specifically Emet, as Hades, having some measure of control over the lifestream) have a way to recognize other former Convocation members' souls in order to raise them up.
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Nebrilos posted:Forgive me if these questions are naive. I seem to be bad at picking up subtext. And text. 1. he's a dipshit 2. he's a hypocrite 3. they weren't trying to flood of light it, just get it to the tilting point so it would merge with the source at the next calamity 4. stopping his heartbeat and being 'dead' outsmarted ranjits vision 5. he's been around for countless years and has magical alzheimers and is losing his sense of self and his finer memories, the names and faces of his comrades, the specific moments, etc 6. in the cutscene pre-trial you literally have the soul stone of azem and emet selchs ascian-voice says 'yours is the 14th seat, the seat of azem'. azem left the convocation and didn't participate in summoning zodiark OR hydaelyn. their ultimate fate is unknown 7. there are lesser ascians that the Actual Ascians use as minions who can just be killed. they pop up in a few job quests and the like. 8. deeplomatic eemunitee 9. gaia-as-ascian got loving killed, her soul was recycled, she was born again and grew up and then the events of eden happen. also yeah something like that, made with her power as she was being controlled 10. ladies be doing it for themselves 11. no, the unsundered were members of the convocation of 14 who didn't get split in the sundering. the sundered ascians are members of the convocation who the unsundered ascians sought out and then uplifted by giving them their memories back via soul crystal 12. gently caress man, i dunno 13. gently caress man, i dunno, we'll find out maybe. (alternatively: there are no humans in ffxiv) 14. big ol aethery crystals of light that hydaelyn uses to help you out. honestly i was always fuzzy on this one. they aren't super special artifacts though its just a poo poo ton of aether iirc 15. they are literally space aliens, and not from one of hydaelyns shards. we don't totally know how the cosmology works. i like to think its a weird fuzzy area of space with a bunch of overlapping dimensions, but we dont actually know 16. shits illegal and shut down but also there are lots of evil pirates about so, yknow. we kill a bunch of em in satasha 17. uldah sucks yeah. i think actual slavery got outlawed in the recent history so that dude probably wasn't on the up and up.
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Nebrilos posted:Forgive me if these questions are naive. I seem to be bad at picking up subtext. And text. Varis thinks at full power, the mortal races will unite under Garlemald and destroy the Ascians. quote:The Emperor criticizes Gridania for trying to summon the Twelve in order to deal with Meteor, but why does no one point out that the Empire is responsible for Meteor? Meteor would have been fine for him, if it wasn't actually a primal inside. And Nael was kinda going off on her own. quote:The flood of darkness that destroyed the Thirteenth rendered it useless to the Ascians, but they were behind the flood of light on the First, which would have also rendered it useless. What was their actual plan on the First supposed to be? Ardbert was supposed to turn on his old ally and kill the Shadowkeeper, which would have brought the world to the brink. Instead, he forgave her, which tipped too far. quote:It is brought up that Elidibus has forgotten some things. What exactly did he forget? A promise to Azem? Did he forget about the whole Rejoining plan? Why did Emet-Selch help the WoL kill a person who was trying to achieve Emet's goals? Why does Elidibus constantly blame the WoL for killing Lahabrea, when it was the Archbishop of Ishgard who betrayed and killed Lahabrea? He forgot almost everything. He barely remembers Amarot and his friends. He is just fragments of memory, and driven only by a reasonless duty. We also beat the poo poo out of Lahabrea and killed Igehorym, which left him in a bad spot. We might not have dealt the final blow, but left him unable to fight. Emet's complicated. He was either free of tempering at his last moments, recognized a friend, or willing to give up and let the mortals take the reigns. Or some combination. quote:How does everyone know that the WoL is a fragment of Azem? There were some hints on the first visit to Amourot that the WoL was a fragment of someone important to Emet-Selch and that Adbert was a fragment of the same person as the WoL, but how do we know that they are fragments of Azem, specifically? If the WoL was a fragment of Azem, shouldn't they be an Ascian, or were they spared that, since Azem didn't participate in the summoning of Zodiark? Hylthodeus can see the "colour" of peoples' soul, and notices that yours is identical to someone who was following you around. And then the two souls combine flawlessly, and you're said to be a bit brighter. The fact that Azem's crystal specifically given to the WoL, and they could actually make use of Azem's special magic Hytholdeus talked about heavily implies the link. Azem wasn't part of the summoning, and wasn't allied with Zodiark's faction. The 13 remaining convocation were the main Ascians, but any rank and file ancient soul can be given that title. quote:"The Shadowhunter" carries the masks of all the Ascians he's killed, but how is he killing them? Does he carry white auracite? Can Garleans even use white auracite, given they can't use magic? Chump rear end ascians can be killed pretty easily. They weren't convocation members or anything else of note. You kill some in the summoner quests, and even the scions dust a bunch on Norvrandt. It's only once you get into the higher ranks that you need to trap them. quote:Where was Gaia for the hundred years between when she was born and when she attacked in Eden's Gate: Descent? Also, what was that monster carrying her? Just something she created with her dark powers? Living as someone else, dieing, and being reborn as someone else. Just a soul flowing through the lifestream. It wasn't until the light faltered and Eden gained some semblance of sentience again that he could break in to her again. quote:Mitron was one of the convocation of 14. Shouldn't that make him an unsundered? I thought all of the unsundered were supposed to be dead after Elidibus died. Only three of the convocation escaped sundering. The rest of the council, while still OG, got sundered by Hydaelyn. quote:In ARR, the WoL slowly amasses 6 crystals of different colors, mostly from dealing with beast tribes. The WoL gets them, and then they are taken away, and then the WoL gets them back again. It's never really explained why they matter and they haven't been mentioned since HW. At some level they're representative of having Hydaelyn's blessing. Ysale had one, and the WoL crew from Norvrandt had one each as well. quote:Midgar-zolmir, Omega, and the technology behind Ultima are said to come from another planet. How does that fit in with the cosmology we know about, where there are 13 alternate dimensions. Are there other inhabited planets on the First as well? Seems that way, at least with the Dragonstar. The sundering only seemed to really affect the area around the source, since the reflections seemingly have the same constellations. That would put them in the same place. quote:One of the early Astrologian quests involves trying to find a woman who got separated from you in Limsa at night. One of the people you ask for information mentions "She's probably been taken to a pleasure-barge by now." Is sex slavery legal in Limsa? Does Merlwyb know? Why are we doing anything else besides immediately shutting it down? Pirates follow their own rules, and slavery is still legal all over the place. quote:One of the early Samurai quests involves a woman who owes money to an usurious moneylender and will probably be sold into sex slavery since she can't pay. When the moneylender is confronted, he says "You can't do anything to me, because this is all legal." It's legal in Ul'dah too? Why are we doing anything to help these two city states when they are so awful? Yeah. Ul'dah has a bunch of slavery. The colloseum is one aspect, but it covers everything. Orcs and Ostriches fucked around with this message at 01:38 on Apr 13, 2021 |
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Nebrilos posted:Forgive me if these questions are naive. I seem to be bad at picking up subtext. And text. The first point is answered with "Varis is a loving moron." The whole point in that scene is to show you how dumb his intended plan is. Meteor: Technically speaking the Empire is... not wholly responsible for Meteor. Given how Nael was tempered by Bahamut and all. Flood: The actual plan was that Ardbert was supposed to slay Cylva, which would have been enough to get the world where they wanted it. They didn't intend for him to both spare her, and then come murder the local Ascians. I think Ran'jit was just perceptive. He could probably sense our aether while invisible, but Thancred's drugs stopped the aether in his body. Shadowhunter: Your basic bitch black mask Ascians don't need white auracite to kill, so long as there's no corpses nearby. (They're too weak to possess the living.) As for the red masks, who knows? Nebrilos posted:One of the early Astrologian quests involves trying to find a woman who got separated from you in Limsa at night. One of the people you ask for information mentions "She's probably been taken to a pleasure-barge by now." Is sex slavery legal in Limsa? Does Merlwyb know? Why are we doing anything else besides immediately shutting it down?
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eorzea is also basically the 17th century, including 17th century laws and morals, just with a bunch of intrusions from previous scifi civilizations. a lot of minor characters will have kinda gross attitudes and that's just... a consistent thing. the scions are better but the scions are also from a country that prides itself on being "morally enlightened" in a way that is just as demeaning and intrusive to the autonomy of others, and in as much as the For Sure Good Guys are trying to improve things, like, the world is pretty poo poo!
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In Shadowbringers, when Zenos plays Varis' skeleton like a xylophone, he strikes the same rib in succession, yet he produces two clearly different tones. I mean, what are we to believe, that this is a magic xylophone, or something? Ha ha, boy, I really hope somebody got fired for that blunder.
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with the limsa thing, they are shutting down pirates. the arcanist and rogue questlines are all about fighting evil pirates and the yellowjackets help. its just that between the garleans, sahagin, and pirates, the pirates are the most scattered and least capable of posing a serious existential threat to limsa, and half of limsa's army got nuked by bahamut less than a decade ago, so they dont have a lot of men to spare chasing down buggy the clown and poo poo. so there's a lot of priates that operate in limsan waters. this is complicated by merlwyb's policy of allowing privateering - that is, she's fine with pirates operating in limsan waters so long as they only target garlean ships and send a postcard to limsa every couple months with 'yeah we took out these guys.' so its easy for pirates to skirt by doing illegal poo poo under the table while on the surface following her privateering laws. but yeah, it definitely isnt something limsa turns a blind eye to, and as mentioned the rogues guild exists entirely to fight pirates like that, and the rogue 1-30 questline is nothing but you murking guys like that.
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The rogue storyline also specifically mentions that slaving is the one crime in Limsa that gets a kill order on you, no questions asked. That is one thing that Merlwyb absolutely does not stand for and wants to completely eradicate. It also comes up that it's one area where the Limsans and Ul'dahns come into conflict a lot. Ul'dah is very big on "They're not technically slaves! They signed a contract and everything!" Cythereal fucked around with this message at 01:51 on Apr 13, 2021 |
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Goin' down the line: 1) As far as we know, Varis's plan was literally just "we're going to do exactly what they want AND THEN we betray them" - he probably envisioned himself as the pinnacle of the new race and finally having the power to openly oppose Emet-Selch. 2) He's just being disingenuous. He's calling them weak for trying (and failing) to invoke the twelve to stop Bahamut. 3) They weren't trying to destroy the First - They were trying to tip it towards light to throw the Source out of balance so that they could ultimately destroy it at the right time, causing a Calamity on the Source, but not completely erase it before that point. Problem was that Ardbert and co. were too good at heroing and ended up causing the Flood. 4) Thancred didn't just go invisible - he stopped his own heart and aetherflow. He turned off his soul. 5) It'd be easier to say what Elidibus remembered, which boils down to "It's my job to save Amaurot", because his personality was entirely overwritten by the will of Zodiark. Having Zodiark completely blasted out of him at the end of 5.3 let him get a glimpse of a moment he shared with Lahabrea and Igeyorhm ("But you are not here to see it...") Elidibus probably blames the WoL for Lahabrea's end because Lahabrea was obsessed with them, and because he was vulnerable to the point where Thordan could kill him thanks to the WoL subduing the Ascian Prime. 6) The WoL isn't an Ancient themselves, or a reincarnation of Azem, but rather, some piece of the aether in their body once belonged to Azem. We don't actually know this for sure, but we know that Emet is pretty goddamn sure of it because he's really good at reading aether and he left Azem's rock with us specifically. 7) There's lots of jobber Ascians whose souls lack the power and coherence of the Unsundered and are easier to kill. Furthermore, he may have just vanquished their mortal vessels and not actually killed their incorporeal forms. Garleans actually probably COULD use White Auracite with magitek, but Valdeaulin is an ordinary-rear end elezen so there's no reason why he couldn't just channel it himself through ordinary means. 8) Yeah its unluckers man. 9) The original Gaia that Mitron loved got broken into who knows how many pieces, one of those pieces eventually got born on the First and summoned to Eden, where we fought her. 10) I think they do ask Urianger and/or Thancred for advice...? 11) Mitron got so loving overloaded with light aether he became a Sin Eater- Eden. Presumably that hosed him up tremendously in addition to imprisoning his mind. 12) Don't worry about it 13) NieR:A spoilers We don't know where in-timeline this event takes place. If it's post NieR:A's ending, then they already know that these aren't the humans they were supposedly protecting, because those humans are extinct. 14) They're you getting locked out of, and gradually regaining access to, your soul and ability to communicate with Hydaelyn. 15) I think what the game refers to as the Rift is just what we would call outer space - not other dimensions. Presumably the Source, as the largest and most aetherically charged of the planets, would naturally be the most likely to attract the attention of aetherically-attuned spacefarers like Omega and Midgardsormr. 16) Slavery is illegal but it happens. 17) See 16, with the added note that unforgivably bad poo poo happens in real life to people who can't afford to pay unreasonable and usurious debts even in supposedly wealthy and civilized countries, as well as human trafficking and slavery. The WoL sides with Limsa, Ul'dah, and Gridania because they believe they can be better than they are, and for all the awful poo poo that goes on there, there are good things too. Chillgamesh fucked around with this message at 01:57 on Apr 13, 2021 |
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Apr 13, 2021 01:52
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if the automata consider humans as what we, the players, understand to be humans, anything but a hyur also would not necessarily register as such to them either. everyone else they meet is potato scale. end even then, who knows? hyur might have an extra spleen that they pick up on their scanner and go "oh not a human"
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Apr 13, 2021 02:03
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Also, even if the Nier raids aren't set post-Automata (which I find very doubtful), remember what characters we're dealing with. 9S is very pointedly curious about the nature of things and people (well, unless he's going loving insane), and 2B is very pointedly NOT curious about anything beyond her objective. 9S would be inquisitive enough to understand we mean him no harm (or mad enough to just keep fighting his enemy regardless), and 2B wouldn't care beyond us fighting the white YoRHa. And 2P is a bad photocopy who doesn't really understand the concepts she's being given anyway, so she doesn't know what questions she's supposed to be asking.
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Apr 13, 2021 02:12
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Mister Olympus posted:if the automata consider humans as what we, the players, understand to be humans, anything but a hyur also would not necessarily register as such to them either. everyone else they meet is potato scale. end even then, who knows? hyur might have an extra spleen that they pick up on their scanner and go "oh not a human"
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Apr 13, 2021 02:18
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Mister Olympus posted:if the automata consider humans as what we, the players, understand to be humans, anything but a hyur also would not necessarily register as such to them either. everyone else they meet is potato scale. end even then, who knows? hyur might have an extra spleen that they pick up on their scanner and go "oh not a human" It's also entirely probable that the Androids may not recognize hyur/humes as humans not just because of subtle differences of physiology but because "human" may as well be "god" to the Androids. Their entire perspective on humanity is at once loving and compassionate, deeply obsessive, and weirdly childlike; they're an ideal and can be anything the Androids project onto them. Basically as far as they're concerned "human" is just "who we want to be."
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Apr 13, 2021 02:19
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Chillgamesh posted:15) I think what the game refers to as the Rift is just what we would call outer space - not other dimensions. Presumably the Source, as the largest and most aetherically charged of the planets, would naturally be the most likely to attract the attention of aetherically-attuned spacefarers like Omega and Midgardsormr. We've been to and through the interdimensional rift multiple times, it's not outer space.
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Apr 13, 2021 02:25
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Eopia posted:We've been to and through the interdimensional rift multiple times, it's not outer space. I looked on the gat drat fan wiki just now and it specifically calls traveling to the First moving between dimensions, you're right. I guess when Omega "traveled the Rift", they were moving aimlessly across unfathomably long distances to cross through dimensions, whereas all the times we've done it we've been yanked straight through a portal to a specific destination.
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Apr 13, 2021 02:39
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Chillgamesh posted:I looked on the gat drat fan wiki just now and it specifically calls traveling to the First moving between dimensions, you're right. I guess when Omega "traveled the Rift", they were moving aimlessly across unfathomably long distances to cross through dimensions, whereas all the times we've done it we've been yanked straight through a portal to a specific destination. Everything in this game is written from a subjective viewpoint, it could be this way just because the person talking about dimensions doesn't understand outer space
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Apr 13, 2021 02:40
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Mister Olympus posted:if the automata consider humans as what we, the players, understand to be humans, anything but a hyur also would not necessarily register as such to them either. everyone else they meet is potato scale. end even then, who knows? hyur might have an extra spleen that they pick up on their scanner and go "oh not a human"
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Apr 13, 2021 02:59
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Chillgamesh posted:I looked on the gat drat fan wiki just now and it specifically calls traveling to the First moving between dimensions, you're right. I guess when Omega "traveled the Rift", they were moving aimlessly across unfathomably long distances to cross through dimensions, whereas all the times we've done it we've been yanked straight through a portal to a specific destination. From how I understand the cosmology of FFXIV and how it relates to Final Fantasy as a whole: The other shards like the First are travelling between dimensions, but these dimensions only exist within the range of Hydaelyn as a planet (and possibly the moon). The First may be another world, but it still has the same stars above it. There is a 'space' between these dimensions, but it's never been explored either narratively or physically. Beyond that, though, is the multiverse in which all Final Fantasy games take place. The universe of a given FF game spreads beyond just its one planet; so FFIX's universe can have both Terra and Gaia, FFIV's universe can have 'The Creator' from the After Years, and FFXIV's can have the Dragonstar. Between these universes is a space confirmed to be The Interdimensional Rift; it has been explored, most notably by Gilgamesh, but both FFV and FFXIV have dipped their toes in it as well. Somewhere in the Rift are the gods Chaos and Cosmos, who use copies of heroes from those universes to settle their own conflicts, which is the Dissidia games. Back in FFXIV: while Omega is from FFXIV's universe, it seems that at some point it did take a detour into the Interdimensional Rift. Possibly even intentionally as an unreliable form of faster-than-light travel, judging by the Omega questline dipping into the Rift. A final side point: The Rift and The Void are different things. We must never confuse the two.
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