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The robotic goddess is displaying more emotion than the character with literal fire in her heart.
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Ofaloaf posted:The robotic goddess is displaying more emotion than the character with literal fire in her heart. The best bit of story-telling: comparison and contrast between two characters that you know mean a lot to the plot, the cast, and to themselves in how they normally are, and then things going horribly wrong. Now, the problem that no one addressed here is that she most likely handed ownership of Renard over to Tony while she was still in shock in that classroom. Thats the one obvious way to weasel out a "no, we did everything by the rules, as per stated in this contract ansasdfkdfjdakldjfaklm" technicality. You ever get that feeling where you know that you, and so many other people are hoping for something to happen to make something terrible turn into something amazing? Going to assume everyone here in the thread is having a bit of that right now. And now, we fight Bone and Fire with Steel and Electricity. Place your bets on who will take the first -defensive- action when the fighting starts?
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Apr 17, 2015 12:02
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Faust IX posted:Now, the problem that no one addressed here is that she most likely handed ownership of Renard over to Tony while she was still in shock in that classroom. Thats the one obvious way to weasel out a "no, we did everything by the rules, as per stated in this contract ansasdfkdfjdakldjfaklm" technicality.
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Apr 17, 2015 12:11
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Reynard, trapped in a useless, paralysed body, frantic with horror at the torments that he KNOWS Anthony has in store for him.
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Apr 17, 2015 12:24
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Anyone want to find the page of how Annie reacted when some not-her-father asked her to hand over Rey? Just for comparison.
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Apr 17, 2015 12:32
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GlyphGryph posted:Anyone want to find the page of how Annie reacted when some not-her-father asked her to hand over Rey? http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1148 http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1155
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Apr 17, 2015 12:43
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GlyphGryph posted:Anyone want to find the page of how Annie reacted when some not-her-father asked her to hand over Rey? http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=108
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Apr 17, 2015 13:32
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Taking the murderous fox spirit who wanted to gently caress your wife and kill your daughter away is the correct choice of action, Anthony did nothing wrong.
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Apr 17, 2015 13:32
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Yeah, I really want Kat to steal him here. Even if it doesn't immediately break the contract, at least he'll be away from Anthony.
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Apr 17, 2015 14:19
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flatluigi posted:I'm glad this thread has gone to apologizing for an abusive parent to blaming the victim of the abuse, it's a good look
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Apr 17, 2015 14:43
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Ditocoaf posted:Remember, THIS was her actual reaction to being given this order. She is very much NOT okay with the transfer, despite how it appears on this page. She is just utterly incapable of disobeying her father, in a way that's actually extremely terrifying. She reacts to her father with complete emotional shutdown and wide-eyed obedience, even for an instruction she's opposed to as much as she possibly could be. It's why some people have wacky mind control theories going on, though it's probably more about pure psychological terribleness. At this point, I'm seriously wondering. What if that etheric surgery from Divine was some sort of elemental-binding ritual? What if Zimmy didn't destroy the bone spears, but merely broke them off from their source (ie, by taking off a big chunk of Anthony's right arm)? What if they're still there, and Anthony lost his 'ethernet' but can still assert manual control?  Ugh. Now I'm having some deeply-unpleasant thoughts about what Surma might have 'seen' in him.
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Apr 17, 2015 14:55
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Wow Monday sure is a long way away
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Apr 17, 2015 14:56
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Reynard's body gets destroyed... and the only thing in the room with eyes that isn't a person is a potato. Taterdine. He can shift between being a russet potato, a sweet potato, a red potato or a fingerling.
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Apr 17, 2015 15:15
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Ofaloaf posted:The robotic goddess is displaying more emotion than the character with literal fire in her heart. and defends the wood while the official medium is now working for the court
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Apr 17, 2015 15:22
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"Annie isn't afraid to tell an adult what she thinks." Now we know there's an exception 
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Apr 17, 2015 15:35
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Thank you for posting these. As usual I got distracted and kept reading, which got me to the Cityface interlude and reminded me that despite my university's best efforts to keep people from drawing stuff on instructor evals by moving to a internet system that I can still cram ASCII pictures into comment fields.code:
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Apr 17, 2015 16:15
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To be fair Annie is also showing her Surma side here, when it comes to being an rear end in a top hat to Renard.
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Apr 17, 2015 16:20
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IMO Anthony is acting very believably as the kind of person who would send his child to a prestigious boarding school. He checks in on her and finds her taking part in all sorts of foolishness with supernatural fox demons and trickster gods and magical forest creatures instead of focusing on her studies? Well, that simply won't do. It is not sensible in the slightest. Cut that nonsense out right now, young lady, fix your hair, and start being serious about your life. He paid a lot of money for you to be there and he'll be damned if you're spending his investment fooling around with your animal friends.  He's every parent from Dead Poets Society basically. This is not a good thing to be, or a good style of parenting, but it's a bit soon to parse him as a literal child abuser.
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Apr 17, 2015 16:49
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loquacius posted:He's every parent from Dead Poets Society basically. This is not a good thing to be, or a good style of parenting, but it's a bit soon to parse him as a literal child abuser. I thought the point of Dead Poets Society was that in cutting off the kid's creative outlet they WERE literal child abusers
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Apr 17, 2015 16:51
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Why do some people assume Anthony will use his control over Renard to torture him? Seems like a bit of a leap to me. Turning over control of Renard is an awful thing to do to the guy, for sure, but not because Anthony is some sadist who will unleash unspeakable cruelties upon him. Also, I'm not blaming Antimony here. Anthony has used his authority and Antimony's love for him to emotionally bludgeon her into submission. No blame, but it's still a terrible thing to do. Poor Rey. Edit: I was going to say that it's probably pointless to argue with people who think this behavior isn't abusive. There are some people who don't think the Dursleys are abusive. But gently caress that. This is abuse. If it doesn't seem like it to you, well, not recognizing abuse in real life is a problem too. Maybe read up on it? Wittgen fucked around with this message at 17:03 on Apr 17, 2015 |
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Apr 17, 2015 16:55
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Yeah, those parents were totally abusive. People really need to understand that having motives for your actions other than "ho ho ho I am evil" doesn't make you not abusive.
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Apr 17, 2015 16:55
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Wittgen posted:Why do some people assume Anthony will use his control over Renard to torture him? Seems like a bit of a leap to me. Turning over control of Renard is an awful thing to do to the guy, for sure, but not because Anthony is some sadist who will unleash unspeakable cruelties upon him. Something like half the thread here assumes Anthony is a sadist acting out of malice or that he shows his love by torture and abuse.
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Apr 17, 2015 16:58
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I find stories much more interesting when I don't try to fit them into the textbook framework from my campus abuse seminar  Just sit back and let the characters play it out.That said it's not exactly a bad fit here.
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Apr 17, 2015 16:59
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If only there was a clear, in-comic visual of anthony stabbing annie's literal soul and putting her into the hospital with no warning and making everyone around her fear for her life. then it'd be unambiguous that anthony is being abusive, right
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Apr 17, 2015 17:04
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Wittgen posted:Why do some people assume Anthony will use his control over Renard to torture him? Seems like a bit of a leap to me. Turning over control of Renard is an awful thing to do to the guy, for sure, but not because Anthony is some sadist who will unleash unspeakable cruelties upon him. Because iirc, the last interaction he had with Rey was watching him kill two people while traumatizing his future wife. Keep in mind everyone else was still loving pissed at him after he jumped ship for Annie's doll. It took a long time before anyone really started to trust him. Anthony literally just showed up. He hasn't had any experience with Rey since then. To him, Rey is still a murderous stalker who obsesses over his wife.
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Apr 17, 2015 17:05
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Wittgen posted:Why do some people assume Anthony will use his control over Renard to torture him? Seems like a bit of a leap to me. Turning over control of Renard is an awful thing to do to the guy, for sure, but not because Anthony is some sadist who will unleash unspeakable cruelties upon him. Anthony remotely performed some form of etheric surgery on his own daughter, that put her in a coma, without her knowledge or consent. Though we don't know anything yet about his intentions towards Renard, it's clear he'd have no inhibitions about harming Renard if he thought it necessary. YF-23 posted:Something like half the thread here assumes Anthony is a sadist acting out of malice or that he shows his love by torture and abuse. Are there? Where are they doing that? I'd like it if you'd point it out.
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Moddington posted:Are there? Where are they doing that? I used the word monster once! Plenty of humans are monstrous despite being people with understandable motivations but it was a bridge too far for the thread.
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Apr 17, 2015 17:13
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YF-23 posted:Something like half the thread here assumes Anthony is a sadist acting out of malice or that he shows his love by torture and abuse. A reply like this after pages upon pages of explicit statements that Anthonys actions might have understandable motivations yet still be uncondonable. Have you people caught on to the fact that YF-23 isn't arguing in good faith yet? Just put him on ignore and stop driving the thread in circles.
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Apr 17, 2015 17:13
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It hasn't explicitly been made clear what would happen if Reynard was taken from Annie by force, because I don't think they really know. They assume it would break her contract with him, but I'm just going to guess that, at least initially, Reynard would be treated as belonging to Annie, even if he's still in someone else's possession. Any orders he's acting under from Annie would stick. Maybe if Annie is incapable of reclaiming her property after a certain period of time, the contract might break, but if Kat stole Reynard now I expect he'll be stuck as a doll until Annie says otherwise.
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Apr 17, 2015 17:24
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I feel that for a trickster god, theft is a totally legit form of ownership transference.
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Apr 17, 2015 17:27
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flatluigi posted:If only there was a clear, in-comic visual of anthony stabbing annie's literal soul and putting her into the hospital with no warning and making everyone around her fear for her life. then it'd be unambiguous that anthony is being abusive, right Ambiguity was present in that chapter.
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Apr 17, 2015 17:37
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Male Man posted:I feel that for a trickster god, theft is a totally legit form of ownership transference. Only once you've signed the necessary forms in triplicate!
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Apr 17, 2015 17:54
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It's not like some character's going to walk in and say, "Anthony Carver, you are a child abuser!" which will cause Anthony to yell "No!" and vanish back to the fifth dimension.
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Apr 17, 2015 18:05
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Rand Brittain posted:Yeah, those parents were totally abusive. You berate and scream at your kid to the point he kills himself in direct response to your actions and not any underlying or external cause, I'm on pretty solid footing when I say you were abusive.
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Apr 17, 2015 18:07
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Listen, Anthony just has Annie's best interests in mind, her being
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Apr 17, 2015 18:11
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Annie is gay and the fire spirit is AIDS.
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Apr 17, 2015 18:20
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Being gay isn't an early death sentence that ensures your children will be orphans.
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Apr 17, 2015 18:42
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Cruel and Unusual posted:It's not like some character's going to walk in and say, "Anthony Carver, you are a child abuser!" which will cause Anthony to yell "No!" and vanish back to the fifth dimension. Well, of course not! They have to trick him into saying "Revac Ynohtna."
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YF-23 posted:Being gay isn't an early death sentence that ensures your children will be orphans.
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Dammerung posted:Well, of course not! They have to trick him into saying "Revac Ynohtna."
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