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teagone posted:More posts from this same thread, made about an hour after the trailer dropped: Didn't someone already point out that the "Penguin" scene was one of Snyder's?
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On the topic of clever callbacks in Dark Knight Rises, I spotted one and felt very clever. In Dark Knight, Batman: "One man, or the whole mob?" In Dark Knight Rises, Matthew Modine: "One bank robber, or the son of a bitch who killed Harvey Dent?" There's a whole bunch of little things that the city learned entirely the wrong lesson, like how they repeat their mistake from the first movie, sending every single cop in. It's why, when Batman's about to sacrifice himself, he recalls that it was an act of kindness that defined him and Jim Gordon, he's trying to reclaim batman from the cruelty he's come to symbolise.
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Jul 28, 2017 00:03
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To whoever said Bane's outfit was an inversion of Batman's. I found this on googles.coms: I think Bane's mask was meant to be the other part of a bat face. 
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Jul 28, 2017 00:13
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UmOk posted:To whoever said Bane's outfit was an inversion of Batman's. I found this on googles.coms: I think you're overthinking it.
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Jul 28, 2017 00:15
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BiggerBoat posted:I think you're overthinking it. Sometimes a pussy face is just a pussy face.
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Jul 28, 2017 00:18
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BiggerBoat posted:I think you're overthinking it. Change CineD's forum title to this.
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Jul 28, 2017 00:22
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Jul 28, 2017 01:00
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why didn't mr mom and his crew wear hard hats at the clean up site? also missed opportunity, mr mom offers beer, then scotch, not bourbon then scotch
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Jul 28, 2017 02:31
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Davros1 posted:Didn't someone already point out that the "Penguin" scene was one of Snyder's? We don't know for sure. I also made it a point to say that I'm inevitably going to question a lot of things in the film as to whether or not Whedon had a hand in re-tooling a particular scene or added something in, seeing as how different directors Whedon and Snyder are, and how I find that annoying. I personally suspect the Penguin joke scene is all Whedon.
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Jul 28, 2017 03:05
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I mean, you guys realize, Whedon helped do another pass on the script months and months ago, right? You remember that? It could very well be a Snyder scene, just with some Whedon scripting.
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Jul 28, 2017 03:07
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Burkion posted:It could very well be a Snyder scene, just with some Whedon scripting. I mean, yeah, it definitely could be. But the Penguin joke scene's visual aesthetic screams more "Avengers" than it does "Man of Steel" or "Batman v Superman" to me. When I saw the the trailer for the first time, I was hyped and into it, but something about that scene felt really off, almost glaringly so.
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Jul 28, 2017 03:23
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I thought the trailer was real good but that scene did stick out to me too but not enough to comment on it. Alfred did have some dry humor in Batman v Superman so I didn't really mind it. But the scene is shot pretty weird. Bruce does look really off in it. I don't know if that's because it's gone through color correction, a Whedon shot scene or Zack Snyder was having a bad day. Who knows. It's an ugly scene in a trailer of really good ones.
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Jul 28, 2017 03:54
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Bruce might be tiny on purpose considering the subject matter of the conversation seems to be about how he used to fight a guy who looks like a penguin and now he's preparing for an invasion of gods.
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Jul 28, 2017 04:07
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I have a solution. Let WB release whatever cut they want in theaters. For the hardcore fans and a hefty fee, WB will print a personalized blu-ray of the movie for you. On the website you can pick from all the possible variations of the film. A Whedon scene, a Snyder scene. A Whedon scene with Snyders coloring. A Snyder scene but with Whedon's snappy dialogue. You get the idea. Everybody wins.
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Jul 28, 2017 04:42
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I have a better solution. Have WB release three or four cuts in theaters by Whedon, Snyder, an outside company, and the execs. Randomly distribute them throughout the world's various screens and see which one people like more. Bonus, you're gonna need to see that film more than once.
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Jul 28, 2017 04:47
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There's like a thousand cuts of Blade Runner. I don't see any reason why there can't be a dozen different cuts for Justice League.
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Jul 28, 2017 04:51
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I think what stands out in my mind with that scene is Alfred using the Ye Olde Englishe 'one' when his dialogue in BvS doesn't. It's not "what happens when a toad gets struck by lightning" levels of Whedon dialogue, but it's a noticeable difference to me.
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Jul 28, 2017 05:29
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ungulateman posted:It's not "what happens when a toad gets struck by lightning" levels of Whedon dialogue, but it's a noticeable difference to me. For all the praise Whedon gets for his dialogue he wrote one of the worst lines in cinema history with that one.
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Jul 28, 2017 05:38
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Yaws posted:For all the praise Whedon gets for his dialogue he wrote one of the worst lines in cinema history with that one. Most of the people who praise Whedon dialog have never actually heard what good dialog sounds like.
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Jul 28, 2017 05:46
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Yaws posted:For all the praise Whedon gets for his dialogue he wrote one of the worst lines in cinema history with that one. Pretty sure it's not Whedon's fault. The line was the culmination of a running gag that got cut from the movie (Toad repeatedly saying "You know what happens when a toad..." followed by some toad fact). Then, instead of being read as a gag, Halle Berry delivered the line completely straight-faced.
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Jul 28, 2017 05:58
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:Most of the people who praise Whedon dialog have never actually heard what good dialog sounds like. Says poster who probably loves Speed and Toy Story.
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Jul 28, 2017 06:01
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Phylodox posted:Pretty sure it's not Whedon's fault. The line was the culmination of a running gag that got cut from the movie (Toad repeatedly saying "You know what happens when a toad..." followed by some toad fact). Then, instead of being read as a gag, Halle Berry delivered the line completely straight-faced. Halle Berry always gets the blame, no one ever blames Singer. He saw the take and said "Beautiful. Cut. Print."
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Jul 28, 2017 06:03
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I liked the "what happens when a toad..." for how silly it was with such serious delivery. I actually like it less now that I know it was supposed to be the end of a running gag instead of this out of nowhere, very seriously said goofy line.
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Jul 28, 2017 06:14
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ungulateman posted:I think what stands out in my mind with that scene is Alfred using the Ye Olde Englishe 'one' when his dialogue in BvS doesn't. Uh, you can say 'one' sometimes and not other times. Someone who would say 'one' in a not entirely serious manner would not say it all the time
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Jul 28, 2017 06:43
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Halle Berry always gets the blame, no one ever blames Singer. He saw the take and said "Beautiful. Cut. Print." No one ever credits Whedon with the best line in that film either.
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Jul 28, 2017 06:47
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:Most of the people who praise Whedon dialog have never actually heard what good dialog sounds like. Probably more than they can't recognize it. Plenty of movies that were popular have great dialogues.
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Jul 28, 2017 06:52
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PriorMarcus posted:No one ever credits Whedon with the best line in that film either. "You're a dick."?
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Jul 28, 2017 06:55
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"They wish to cure us. But I say to you, WE are the cure! The cure for that infirm, imperfect condition called 'Homo sapiens'! They have their weapons...we have ours. We will strike with a vengeance and a fury that this world has never witnessed! And if any mutants stand in our way, we will use this poison against them! We shall go to Alcatraz Island, take control of the cure, and destroy its source! And then, nothing can stop us! "That's what she said!"
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Jul 28, 2017 07:00
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Jimbot posted:There's like a thousand cuts of Blade Runner. I don't see any reason why there can't be a dozen different cuts for Justice League. There are four (five if you count its edited to be shown on WPIX TV form). Al Borland Corp. posted:I have a better solution. Have WB release three or four cuts in theaters by Whedon, Snyder, an outside company, and McG. Randomly distribute them throughout the world's various screens and see which one people like more. Bonus, you're gonna need to see that film more than once.
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Jul 28, 2017 07:52
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Was there even a Snyder cut of JL that wasn't a rough cut? Or assembly cut? Is there a difference between those two?
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Jul 28, 2017 08:31
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teagone posted:Was there even a Snyder cut of JL that wasn't a rough cut? Or assembly cut? Is there a difference between those two? Well he'd have to make another one
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Jul 28, 2017 11:37
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Release the fully uncut version with all shot footage and choose-your-own-adventure interface.
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Jul 28, 2017 12:14
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"What do they call you, Wheels?" is the best line in X-Men.
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Jul 28, 2017 12:37
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dont even fink about it posted:"What do they call you, Wheels?" is the best line in X-Men. Yes, a very sick BK Kids Club burn after meeting Kid Vid.
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Jul 28, 2017 12:50
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Inescapable Duck posted:Release the fully uncut version with all shot footage and choose-your-own-adventure interface. 
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Jul 28, 2017 12:56
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THOSE FUCKERS OUR EXTRANEOUS DETAILS
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Jul 28, 2017 13:24
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Al Borland Corp. posted:"You're a dick."? Yeah. It's originally an scripted as Wolverine lifting his shirt or some poo poo to show he's healing in progress. Then Whedon did a rewrite and it's that line. He also contributed the best line in Speed; Jack: You're crazy! You're fuckin' crazy! Howard Payne: NO! Poor people are crazy, Jack. I'm eccentric.
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Jul 28, 2017 14:15
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PriorMarcus posted:Yeah. It's originally an scripted as Wolverine lifting his shirt or some poo poo to show he's healing in progress. That works surprisingly well, given Mystique could fake that easily enough. Like a lot of people, Whedon seems to have genuine talent, he just needs someone to tell him when to knock it off and let other things happen. I think the problems come when people use quips as space-filler.
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Jul 28, 2017 14:30
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UmOk posted:To whoever said Bane's outfit was an inversion of Batman's. I found this on googles.coms: Seems to follow, in my opinion. Nolanverse Batman tends to harp on the core themes.
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dont even fink about it posted:"What do they call you, Wheels?" is the best line in X-Men. Wasn't that an adlib by Jackman? The best line in X-2, by the way: 'What exactly are you a professor of Mr Logan?' 'Art'
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