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Oberleutnant posted:Okay new plan: disenfranchise everybody except me. No me. One man, one vote. I am the man and I have the vote. 1983: Official birth of the Internet and the re-election of Thatcher. Humanity never recovers. namesake fucked around with this message at 14:20 on May 11, 2017 |
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LemonDrizzle posted:That probably wouldn't work very well because you're eligible to pay tax from the moment you are born: Yeah, but at 16 compulsory education ends so that starts the period of full time work for a whole bunch of people. I have a pretty big problem with extracting the labour of people full-time but not giving them franchise into how society is run.
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May 11, 2017 14:20
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Breath Ray posted:Have countries with a 16 limit enjoyed more left wing governments? Cuba 
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May 11, 2017 14:27
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AP posted:https://twitter.com/5_News/status/862640064651825152 oh no.
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May 11, 2017 14:29
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Bedshaped posted:Cuba Good enough for me; motion carried.
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May 11, 2017 14:30
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AP posted:https://twitter.com/5_News/status/862640064651825152 I wish this happened more often.
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May 11, 2017 14:38
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Biggus Dickus posted:I'm shocked he could get an ambulance in London. This. When I knocked someone out playing football in regents park I had to drag him to the clinic at great portland st. loving conservative despatchers looking to undermine corbs should have told him to put some ice on it or get a taxi
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May 11, 2017 14:40
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Anyone who claims that 16 year olds are too stupid to vote needs to watch the guardian video of the guy who says that he hates the Tories and the cuts they've implemented, but Jeremy Corbyn isn't going to win so he's voting for the Tories
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May 11, 2017 14:59
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TheRat posted:I wish this happened more often. It happens a lot, it just normally doesn't get reported on. The royal watch is one of the more high risk journo briefs for example, with nearly everyone who does it having at least one story of being run over by a royal along the way.
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May 11, 2017 15:06
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I don't think cameramen set the BBC's editorial stance, and I hope he's OK.
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May 11, 2017 15:13
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big scary monsters posted:I don't think cameramen set the BBC's editorial stance, and I hope he's OK. It's hard to tell the difference between a BBC cameraman and a paparazzi these days. They're like flies on a carcass. It's a loving disgrace that it's acceptable to swarm people like they do.
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May 11, 2017 15:15
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its all going on in newcastle
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May 11, 2017 15:22
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Jose posted:its all going on in newcastle FAKE NEWS
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May 11, 2017 15:25
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Jose posted:its all going on in newcastle 
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May 11, 2017 15:29
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Looks like another stand-down to help out in potential battlegrounds: https://twitter.com/petesaull/status/862605244001374208
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May 11, 2017 15:42
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May 11, 2017 15:48
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Reminder that australia has both mandatory voting and preference voting, and they elect a bunch of ethnic nationalists who put refugees into concentration camps Voters are not inherently good and well meaning people
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May 11, 2017 15:53
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May 11, 2017 15:55
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Sapozhnik posted:Reminder that australia has both mandatory voting and preference voting, and they elect a bunch of ethnic nationalists who put refugees into concentration camps At least the system accurately represents how reprehensible Australians are? You get undemocratic and poo poo results.
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May 11, 2017 15:58
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:When was the vote lowered to 18 in Britain? I'm sure if you looked at letters to the editor at the time it'd be the exact same loving arguments against letting 18 year olds vote, because I know they were in Australia. (1970 btw to answer your question)
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May 11, 2017 16:02
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On the whole I think this leak will benefit Labour. Corbyn has just given a statement basically saying 'wait for it' and taken no questions, so essentially they are going to get the opportunity to release a manifesto twice, with the added bonus of both back-footing the Tories and the current situation of having policies but refusing to talk about them fueling the media speculation. Then you'll get another frenzy when the official manifesto drops with people looking for differences. And as another win, the Tories are hampered in their ability to rebut Labour right now in case Labour just changes the official manifesto. Could have gone worse.
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May 11, 2017 16:08
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Corbyn is not a true leftist. He ran over the foot of a man. A bourgeois move.
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May 11, 2017 16:08
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big scary monsters posted:This takes the vote away from quite a lot of people who currently have it. Was that your intent? Yes (caveating again for people required to be on service overseas). My criteria: 1. Want to vote. 2. Actually live in the place that will be subject to the government you are voting for. No voting for the people back home to live in a neoliberal hellhole/get taxed of every last penny while you intend to live happily under an entirely different regime. 3. Be a citizen (citizenship should be Belgian style easy to get). You should have gone to the effort of some symbolic gesture of loyalty to this country to show that you identify with it and it's community of people and are voting in our collective interests rather than in the interests of someone who will get on a plane back home if things go too wrong. Note I'm totally cool with prisoner voting. My criteria taketh from some and giveth to others.
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May 11, 2017 16:09
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What's the middle class voting option these days now that tories only care about billionaires and labour care about poors?
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May 11, 2017 16:16
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Labour. Because you're more than likely going to be poor soon.
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May 11, 2017 16:17
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Bape Culture posted:What's the middle class voting option these days now that tories only care about billionaires and labour care about poors? Sell your vote.
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May 11, 2017 16:18
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jabby posted:On the whole I think this leak will benefit Labour. Corbyn has just given a statement basically saying 'wait for it' and taken no questions, so essentially they are going to get the opportunity to release a manifesto twice, with the added bonus of both back-footing the Tories and the current situation of having policies but refusing to talk about them fueling the media speculation. Then you'll get another frenzy when the official manifesto drops with people looking for differences. And as another win, the Tories are hampered in their ability to rebut Labour right now in case Labour just changes the official manifesto. This is how you know it wasn't deliberate
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May 11, 2017 16:22
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Other than fox hunting and the fuel price cap, I don't think I could even name another Tory policy. And I'm quite interested in politics. Is it just me being oblivious?
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May 11, 2017 16:24
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Firos posted:Other than fox hunting and the fuel price cap, I don't think I could even name another Tory policy. And I'm quite interested in politics. Is it just me being oblivious?
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May 11, 2017 16:26
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Bape Culture posted:What's the middle class voting option these days now that tories only care about billionaires and labour care about poors? They'll think about voting Lib Dem if they can win in their area but probably vote Tory, because the middle class ultimately identify with those with more money than them than people with less.
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May 11, 2017 16:27
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MikeCrotch posted:They'll think about voting Lib Dem if they can win in their area but probably vote Tory, because the middle class ultimately identify with those with more money than them than people with less.
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May 11, 2017 16:28
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Firos posted:Other than fox hunting and the fuel price cap, I don't think I could even name another Tory policy. And I'm quite interested in politics. Is it just me being oblivious?
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May 11, 2017 16:29
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jBrereton posted:What about the literally millions of middle class Labour voters, or do they not count? Just very shy Tories.
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Firos posted:Other than fox hunting and the fuel price cap, I don't think I could even name another Tory policy. And I'm quite interested in politics. Is it just me being oblivious? In the immortal words of GDT: 1) More money for us; 2) gently caress you There's your tory policy.
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May 11, 2017 16:30
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Someone should set up a more centralist party I think.
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May 11, 2017 16:34
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There's no such thing as middle class, hth.
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May 11, 2017 16:34
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haakman posted:In the immortal words of GDT: I thought this went without saying. I mean more specifically how they're going to gently caress us; turgid, purple brexit aside.
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Alchenar posted:Yes (caveating again for people required to be on service overseas). My criteria: how strictly are you defining "required" to be overseas? cos students at non-UK universities, or employees of multi-nationals working at an overseas office are totally different from someone who's gone to the Canaries with no intention of ever returning. UK citizens abroad are still represented by the UK government in international negotiations and the like. and still have to fall back on UK consular services rather than that of their resident country when things go wrong. so it seems just that they have a say in choosing that government. look at what's happened to all the UK citizens working in the EU who are being left in limbo. of course, Brits abroad should be paying UK tax still something like USA citizens abroad do. no representation without taxation after all. which would have the added bonus of weakening one of the planks support for huge tuition fee - that a non insignificant number of graduates leave without ever paying for their education through the higher rates of income tax or a specific graduate tax.
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Just very shy Tories. 
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Praseodymi posted:There's no such thing as middle class, hth. How so?
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