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Tender Bender
Sep 17, 2004

Are DOTA games really like 40 minutes? This is my first dip into the genre but if that's the case I don't really care if this is the baby version, I don't have any interest in matches that long.

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Disargeria
May 6, 2010

All Good Things are Wild and Free!
Has anyone gotten all the heroes? I've managed to amass all but D.va and... Thrall. I've spent a good chunk of money on this game but I've also played it casually since alpha.

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


Toshimo posted:

Don't mind The Shortest Path and his anti-ping raging.

His inability to comprehend retreat pings when overextended, defend pings when mercs were pushing our towers, and How About We loving Show Up At The Objective? pings is completely reasonable.

I've played with you before.

I completely agree with the Shortest Path that one ping is completely loving sufficient and five RETREAT! RETREAT! RETREAT! RETREAT! RETREAT! pings gets an instant ping-mute.

Coolness Averted
Feb 20, 2007

oh don't worry, I can't smell asparagus piss, it's in my DNA

GO HOGG WILD!
🐗🐗🐗🐗🐗

SKULL.GIF posted:

I've played with you before.

I completely agree with the Shortest Path that one ping is completely loving sufficient and five RETREAT! RETREAT! RETREAT! RETREAT! RETREAT! pings gets an instant ping-mute.

Blame idiots who don't listen to 1. I've had folks not get the message when I say "no mana" as tank or healer start to pull back and ping once. There are some players (goons too!) who actually need it hammered into their head.

I usually don't do it until a player has been reckless and gotten killed for nothing once or twice, if they're gonna annoy me by throwing, I'm gonna annoy them back.

Toshimo
Aug 23, 2012

He's outta line...

But he's right!

Coolness Averted posted:

Blame idiots who don't listen to 1. I've had folks not get the message when I say "no mana" as tank or healer start to pull back and ping once. There are some players (goons too!) who actually need it hammered into their head.

I usually don't do it until a player has been reckless and gotten killed for nothing once or twice, if they're gonna annoy me by throwing, I'm gonna annoy them back.

This guy fucks.

Toshimo
Aug 23, 2012

He's outta line...

But he's right!
So, how does xp work on the new brawl. Does each hero get 1/3?

Coolness Averted
Feb 20, 2007

oh don't worry, I can't smell asparagus piss, it's in my DNA

GO HOGG WILD!
🐗🐗🐗🐗🐗
did they patch the brawl yet so folks don't get idle dropped during char reselect?

wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

Royalty is a continuous cutting motion


I ping twice because it's easy to miss one ping, and gently caress you if an extra dinging noise is really going to destroy your gaming experience.

Mind over Matter
Jun 1, 2007
Four to a dollar.



Twice is fine. Five times is more than they ever should have raised the limit to and is an instant ping mute.

Toshimo
Aug 23, 2012

He's outta line...

But he's right!
This thread is a battlefield between those who ping 5 times and those who ignore 5 pings and feed.

Mind over Matter
Jun 1, 2007
Four to a dollar.



I don't ignore them, I just don't believe that in 99.9999% of situations, five will convey anything more useful than two or three.

In fact, to me personally it's LESS useful. Because when someone is spamming them all over, my brain starts filtering them for the map even if I don't mute them.

Fellatio del Toro
Mar 21, 2009

Playing Gazlowe on Hanamura and the enemy team leaves me alone to solo top until I kill the fort at like 2.5 minutes :psyduck:

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

By the way, anyone not using Gazlowe announcer is literally the worst player in the game. Maybe even in any game.

Bruceski
Aug 21, 2007

The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

Tender Bender posted:

Are DOTA games really like 40 minutes? This is my first dip into the genre but if that's the case I don't really care if this is the baby version, I don't have any interest in matches that long.

40 or more. The shorter game times is one of the major plusses for HotS. "Make a mistake at the start that has you slowly lose over an hour unless they mess up too" is neat for optimization-fetishists, but a headache for actual play.

Gustav
Jul 12, 2006

This is all very confusing. Do you mind if I call you Rodriguez?

Coolness Averted posted:

Blame idiots who don't listen to 1. I've had folks not get the message when I say "no mana" as tank or healer start to pull back and ping once. There are some players (goons too!) who actually need it hammered into their head.

I usually don't do it until a player has been reckless and gotten killed for nothing once or twice, if they're gonna annoy me by throwing, I'm gonna annoy them back.

I mean I can blame whoever you want me to, but like the man said you go straight on mute so I won't be seeing your pings at all.

Pants Donkey
Nov 13, 2011

Tender Bender posted:

Are DOTA games really like 40 minutes? This is my first dip into the genre but if that's the case I don't really care if this is the baby version, I don't have any interest in matches that long.
mobas in general hover around there. It allows for more variation in heroes (good early/mid/late game) but at the same time it makes for a pretty miserable experience losing an hour-long match. Which is why most modern ones allow you to surrender around 15 or 20 minutes in.

Otherkinsey Scale
Jul 17, 2012

Just a little bit of sunshine!
Turns out Lost Vikings are amazing in game 3 of this brawl. Sneaking one off to an unoccupied temple goes a long way.

Musluk
May 23, 2011



Gustav posted:

I mean I can blame whoever you want me to, but like the man said you go straight on mute so I won't be seeing your pings at all.


lol if you don't mute everyone in your team

esp goons

exquisite tea
Apr 21, 2007

Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."


Remember to join discord so that instead of losing team games in a disorganized fashion, you can still lose games while listening to the quivering voices of nasal manlets as they become frustrated by their little man dying.

GenericOverusedName
Nov 24, 2009

KUVA TEAM EPIC

Mind over Matter posted:

I think the current in build is cocktail talents at 1/4/7, whichever ult works better against the enemy team at 10, Running Wild at 13, personal taste at 16, and human attacks at 20.

Depending on the map and who you're up against you may want to go all on on the inner beast talents. Really good if you wanna burst down a tower on ToD or kill the Immortal real quick. Hit W then hit E and chew up the target real fast.

SHY NUDIST GRRL
Feb 15, 2011

Communism will help more white people than anyone else. Any equal measures unfairly provide less to minority populations just because there's less of them. Democracy is truly the tyranny of the mob.

Kyrosiris posted:

Dota 2 has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that you can completely monetize a f2p game with hats alone, so there is literally no justification anymore for having to buy heroes at all.

What if I don't like obnoxious hat casino built into my game?

SHY NUDIST GRRL
Feb 15, 2011

Communism will help more white people than anyone else. Any equal measures unfairly provide less to minority populations just because there's less of them. Democracy is truly the tyranny of the mob.

Tender Bender posted:

Are DOTA games really like 40 minutes? This is my first dip into the genre but if that's the case I don't really care if this is the baby version, I don't have any interest in matches that long.

40 is the floor

Rygar201
Jan 26, 2011
I AM A TERRIBLE PIECE OF SHIT.

Please Condescend to me like this again.

Oh yeah condescend to me ALL DAY condescend daddy.


SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:

What if I don't like obnoxious hat casino built into my game?

Weep for the state of modern gaming? People expect multi million dollar projects to be straight up free, but the glorious :ussr: revolution still hasn't come. Some form of monetization is necessary.

Minorkos
Feb 20, 2010

wiegieman posted:

I ping twice because it's easy to miss one ping, and gently caress you if an extra dinging noise is really going to destroy your gaming experience.

Here's how my ping system works, and I think it's the industry standard in Dota 2

In the case of a gank:

Ping once next to the hero, not on him: hey guys there's a hero here just so you know

Ping once on the hero: you should go on this hero very soon when it seems like a good idea

Ping twice on the hero: you should ignore your own judgment and go on this hero right now

Ping until the cap: i don't care what you are doing, i don't care what you are thinking, i am better at this game than you, do as i say and go for this hero now

if you misinterpret this system even once, that's a report

Fuzz
Jun 2, 2003

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Minorkos posted:

Here's how my ping system works, and I think it's the industry standard in Dota 2

In the case of a gank:

Ping once next to the hero, not on him: hey guys there's a hero here just so you know

Ping once on the hero: you should go on this hero very soon when it seems like a good idea

Ping twice on the hero: you should ignore your own judgment and go on this hero right now

Ping until the cap: i don't care what you are doing, i don't care what you are thinking, i am better at this game than you, do as i say and go for this hero now

if you misinterpret this system even once, that's a report

They sounds annoying as gently caress and also mostly not intuitive.

SHY NUDIST GRRL
Feb 15, 2011

Communism will help more white people than anyone else. Any equal measures unfairly provide less to minority populations just because there's less of them. Democracy is truly the tyranny of the mob.

Fuzz posted:

They sounds annoying as gently caress and also mostly not intuitive.

Dota!

Rygar201
Jan 26, 2011
I AM A TERRIBLE PIECE OF SHIT.

Please Condescend to me like this again.

Oh yeah condescend to me ALL DAY condescend daddy.



:golfclap: but why is it so good despite being so drat dumb? Do I have the brokebrains for liking Dota?

VHGS
Jul 24, 2013

Dota does have smart pings or whatever so you could use that but the built in voice chat means it's more efficient to just call your teammate a dumb motherfucker directly.

Minorkos
Feb 20, 2010

Fuzz posted:

They sounds annoying as gently caress and also mostly not intuitive.

It's actually something that most Dota players seem to learn when they go up the skill brackets. Differentiating between weak suggestions and strong suggestions is really important in high level Dota

Dota is a pretty complex game that moves in real-time (more complex than HotS), and as such, it's hard to have all the facts constantly. The single ping means that you should do something based on your own understanding of the situation. That means that you should try to kill a hero, but give up on the plan if it doesn't seem right to you. Being pinged multiple times, at least in my case, taps into my "muscle memory" instead of my logical thinking, so I will just trust the guy who pings me and do whatever is needed without thinking. Obviously that fucks me up sometimes if I'm playing with people who ping badly but it's usually beneficial.

Also spamming retreat pings in Hots is pretty useful because a lot of people will ignore the first retreat ping if they think they can still win the fight, but multiple retreat pings usually gets through and they'll peel off immediately

exquisite tea
Apr 21, 2007

Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."


If minimap pings did not exist in the original War3 engine then Dota players would be vehemently opposed to them and actively fight against their implementation. That's really all you have to know about Dota.

A Real Horse
Oct 26, 2013


My level 10 Nazeebo loot chest gave me his emote pack, which was super disappointing.

Or would have been, had it not included the Murky announcer. He just sounds so proud of me when I get kills, and encouraging when I die.

SHY NUDIST GRRL
Feb 15, 2011

Communism will help more white people than anyone else. Any equal measures unfairly provide less to minority populations just because there's less of them. Democracy is truly the tyranny of the mob.

Murky announcer is terrible, I'm sorry

Rygar201
Jan 26, 2011
I AM A TERRIBLE PIECE OF SHIT.

Please Condescend to me like this again.

Oh yeah condescend to me ALL DAY condescend daddy.


SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:

Murky announcer is terrible, I'm sorry

Mods!?

Minera
Sep 26, 2007

All your friends and foes,
they thought they knew ya,
but look who's in your heart now.
how to ping

alt ping, drag to the right: guys im coming now its drawing a line on the minimap of me to you so you know I'm like 15 seconds away
v ping: go the gently caress back. if you do it more than once, you may be brain damaged
regular ping on hero/building: kill it
5 pings on the core: NO STOP HEARTHING YOU loving RETARDS KILL THE CORE WHY THE gently caress ARE YOU LEAVING NOW IT'S AT 4% AND THEY"RE PUSHING AS 5 AND YOU"RE ALL ALONE gently caress

as soon as someone does like 3 or 4 pings really quickly I just ping mute them so I quit playing with a bell next to my ear and a seizure warning on the minimap

SHY NUDIST GRRL
Feb 15, 2011

Communism will help more white people than anyone else. Any equal measures unfairly provide less to minority populations just because there's less of them. Democracy is truly the tyranny of the mob.

Minrad posted:

alt ping, drag to the right: guys im coming now its drawing a line on the minimap of me to you so you know I'm like 15 seconds away

That doesn't mean go in now noooooo

Mind over Matter
Jun 1, 2007
Four to a dollar.



Minrad understands pinging.

Musluk
May 23, 2011



Minrad posted:

if you do it more than once, you may be brain damaged

If you're playing a MOBA you're already brain damaged, imqho

Minera
Sep 26, 2007

All your friends and foes,
they thought they knew ya,
but look who's in your heart now.

Musluk posted:

If you're playing a MOBA you're already brain damaged, imqho

true

Cuntellectual
Aug 6, 2010

jimmydalad posted:

Is there really nothing sacred? (In all seriousness this is hilarious and what were they thinking with Li Ming's face?)

Deadline for the artist? :v:

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SHY NUDIST GRRL
Feb 15, 2011

Communism will help more white people than anyone else. Any equal measures unfairly provide less to minority populations just because there's less of them. Democracy is truly the tyranny of the mob.

Musluk posted:

If you're playing a MOBA you're already brain damaged, imqho

There's a spectrum

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