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END ME SCOOB posted:The only thing I can think of that might be relevant is Tiz is a baby god or something. Specifically, the idea seemed to be that he died in the disaster in the beginning, and his body was possessed by an angel or something. This was totally irrelevant to the plot.
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Clarste posted:Specifically, the idea seemed to be that he died in the disaster in the beginning, and his body was possessed by an angel or something. This was totally irrelevant to the plot. Also the angel is implied to be you, the player.
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Thuryl posted:Also the angel is implied to be you, the player. Huh. Well then. Thanks guys, I don't feel much impetus to finish the game, and this didn't change my mind. Not ragging on the game at all, I loved it until I hit the time loop stuff so I'm really optimistic about Bravely Second.
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Can anyone suggest any RPGs for PC or console PS2 and older that are similar to Suikoden/Tears to Tiara in that they've got kingdom/castle/town building aspects to them on top of the usual RPG/SRPG stuff? Even if the building stuff is only from a story/setting standpoint. Emphasis on lesser known stuff if possible. Verranicus fucked around with this message at 03:50 on Mar 1, 2016 |
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Verranicus posted:Can anyone suggest any RPGs for PC or console PS2 and older that are similar to Suikoden/Tears to Tiara in that they've got kingdom/castle/town building aspects to them on top of the usual RPG/SRPG stuff? Dark Cloud 1&2 are exactly this, are'nt they?
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Dark Cloud 1&2 are exactly this, are'nt they? yes darkcloud 1 is more of a distilled and barebones experience while the sequel cranks everything up to 11. if you want a detailed story with a real main character and tons of minutia to get lost in play 2. if you want more of a focused core experience with some hardcore mechanics like keeping track of your character's constantly depleting thirst meter without the huge number of minigames and no 5 hour long prelude before you get to build any towns play the first. they have no real connection that you would need to play either to understand the other and both are good (and incredibly hard) in their own way Real hurthling! fucked around with this message at 03:15 on Mar 1, 2016 |
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Mar 1, 2016 03:11
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Verranicus posted:Can anyone suggest any RPGs for PC or console PS2 and older that are similar to Suikoden/Tears to Tiara in that they've got kingdom/castle/town building aspects to them on top of the usual RPG/SRPG stuff? Exit Fate.
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My issue with Dark Cloud 2 is that the town building, while neat, doesn't really feel like you're building a settlement as much as just playing with legos. The places you build always feel empty.Tallgeese posted:Exit Fate. This is a good suggestion, though. The art was a bit un-good, but the game was decent from what I played. I remember quitting early on after getting stuck on a boss on some island. Verranicus fucked around with this message at 03:47 on Mar 1, 2016 |
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Mar 1, 2016 03:36
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Verranicus posted:Can anyone suggest any RPGs for PC or console PS2 and older that are similar to Suikoden/Tears to Tiara in that they've got kingdom/castle/town building aspects to them on top of the usual RPG/SRPG stuff? It doesn't have casting building but Radiata Stories has something like 100 recruitable characters and a massive central city where everyone goes about their business in real time. Half the fun is discovering what obscure recruitment conditions there are and the story splits in the middle into two completely separate plots so there's some replay value there. Jack Russell is also bona fide jerkass #1. There's literally a button solely dedicated to kicking people in the shin which is a recruitment requirement sometimes.
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MockingQuantum posted:Huh. Well then. at least listen to some of the sweet tracks you're missing out on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTSKUBPv8Ok https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z8t8cLr748 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHeuR_bC9GM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLBTIUzPpEQ
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I'm replaying Dark Cloud 2 and I forgot that Balance Valley completely sucks as a town building area. And Sindain is fairly basic due to being the first. Hopefully Veniccio is better.
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Verranicus posted:My issue with Dark Cloud 2 is that the town building, while neat, doesn't really feel like you're building a settlement as much as just playing with legos. The places you build always feel empty. same. within 30 mins of the first game you are already helping a bunch of npcs rebuild their town to their specs while 6 hours into the sequel you barely have access to any buildings and find out you need to grind mats to build and and recruit people to populate the towns yourself. its a bit shocking going from one to the other
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Town Construction is the only thing downgraded from Dark Cloud 1, though. And everything else is such an improvement it's almost worth it.
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Mr. Maltose posted:Town Construction is the only thing downgraded from Dark Cloud 1, though. And everything else is such an improvement it's worth it. yeah totally
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just beat wild arms and it's a game that i wish had a bigger budget, because it has a lot of cool fun things i like but i also got pretty tired of how it looked and played by the end. i hope 2 and 3 are as big improvements on it as they seem to be, when i get around to them, after final fantasy vii, and shadow hearts, and valkyrie profile, and chrono trigger, and
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The Colonel posted:just beat wild arms and it's a game that i wish had a bigger budget, because it has a lot of cool fun things i like but i also got pretty tired of how it looked and played by the end. i hope 2 and 3 are as big improvements on it as they seem to be Nope! 2 has better field graphics but the budget put into localizing that thing must've been paid for by a swear jar. WA3 looks decent a PS2 RPG with exploitable combat but the game is way too long and introduces new villains in the last 3/4 because gently caress why not? Not to deter you from playing the rest if you really liked the first, but the series has always felt kind of budget. They still try new things and I love broken messes that let me dive in to wreck house (the one thing I like about FF8 over all the others) but just always expect a lot of baggage with your pseudo sci-fi wild west RPG.
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al-azad posted:Nope! 2 has better field graphics but the budget put into localizing that thing must've been paid for by a swear jar. WA3 looks decent a PS2 RPG with exploitable combat but the game is way too long and introduces new villains in the last 3/4 because gently caress why not? Come on, 2 and 3 have their issues but to say their budgets are as low as 1's was isn't true at all. Both of them are massive steps forward. Plus if you want to see what Wild Arms 1 is like with a bigger budget, play the remake for PS2. It's janky and not the nicest game to look at but they add a bunch of content and it feels like a more complete game.
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The translation isn't any better though. Or maybe even worse.
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Clarste posted:The translation isn't any better though. Or maybe even worse. The translation is part of its charm.
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RPG thread: Prepare for word torture
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al-azad posted:WA3 looks decent a PS2 RPG with exploitable combat but the game is way too long and introduces new villains in the last 3/4 because gently caress why not? WA3 brings in a new villain because as it's been said before, it's an anime (and I don't mean that in the pejorative sense). Season 1 is about treasure hunters, s2 is about Janus and Zeigfreid, s3 is about the yggdrasil scientists, and the last part of the game is like the OVA sequel nobody talks about.
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Yeah Wild ARMs 3 is definitely written with story arcs that aren't all that connected to each other. I remember being convinced that I'd beaten the game at the end of either chapter 2 or 3 because the villains I'd been chasing for the whole game were finally down and I couldn't see where the story would go from there. I'm not sure I'd have the time or patience to re-play a long-winded turn-based RPG these days, but if you do, you definitely should try Wild ARMs 3. Wild ARMs 2 is best described as insane. Even if you discount the translation, the story is (going from years old memory) something about being blackmailed by some weirdo with a flying castle into playing world police? And for some reason there's talking lizards and a criminal organization named after the circles of hell from the Divine Comedy and there's also something about a sword maiden and her dog?
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Also, the end boss. Just, the concept of it. It's like, what??
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Heavy neutrino posted:Wild ARMs 2 is best described as insane. Even if you discount the translation, the story is (going from years old memory) something about being blackmailed by some weirdo with a flying castle into playing world police? And for some reason there's talking lizards and a criminal organization named after the circles of hell from the Divine Comedy and there's also something about a sword maiden and her dog? WA3 has a porn mag boss.
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Wild Arms 3 is the best but... Wild Arms 2 has Liz and Ard. "It is I! I the one who has loved you all!" Seriously somebody just post that one string of screenshots of all of Liz's nonsensical ramblings, it is hilarious.
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SelenicMartian posted:WA3 has a porn mag boss. And you had to be 18+ to fight it 
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Heavy neutrino posted:Yeah Wild ARMs 3 is definitely written with story arcs that aren't all that connected to each other. I remember being convinced that I'd beaten the game at the end of either chapter 2 or 3 because the villains I'd been chasing for the whole game were finally down and I couldn't see where the story would go from there. You forgot that the main villain is actually a sentient evil parallel dimension which is devouring other parallel dimensions for pretty much no reason. The awful translation just adds to the insanity of Wild Arms 2, it'd still be batshit crazy if it were competently translated. Wild Arms 3 is probably my favorite Wild Arms game though. It's the one that is most heavy with the western aesthetic, has a really cool female protagonist, one of the characters who joins your party is a happily married man who has a kid and nothing bad happens to them over the course of the story, it's just refreshing all around even if the game does kind of drag on more than it needs to.
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Some of the Wild Arms games apparently have an NPC that will say a unique, pretty lengthy line EVERY SINGLE DAY. And I think that's absolutely loving rad.
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Mr. Fortitude posted:You forgot that the main villain is actually a sentient evil parallel dimension which is devouring other parallel dimensions for pretty much no reason. The awful translation just adds to the insanity of Wild Arms 2, it'd still be batshit crazy if it were competently translated. It's unhurried, which fits the tone of the game which is all about discovery and exploration. There's so MUCH content in that game, it's clear that absolutely nothing was left behind to make a sequel later. If Wild Arms was going to end it was going to end on an extreme high note and it largely succeeds. The dialog is actually awesome; flowery and purple as all hell, but it kind of fits; everyone talks like Shakespeare and Simon and Garfunkle sat down to pen the script to a Western movie. Then Ed Wood directed it and asked Orson Scott Card if he had any ideas and the end result is demonic god children, mutated mad scientists, and a kickin' rad robot.
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WA3 is a really good game and I can't wait to re-buy it on PS4 since I can't find my old copy (I lost it alongside Star Ocean 3 but losing that one was a blessing)
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Joey McChrist posted:WA3 is a really good game and I can't wait to re-buy it on PS4 since I can't find my old copy (I lost it alongside Star Ocean 3 but losing that one was a blessing) Is it coming out on PS4?
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I've never played a Wild Arms game but that description makes me really want to check out 3.
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Mr. Fortitude posted:You forgot that the main villain is actually a sentient evil parallel dimension which is devouring other parallel dimensions for pretty much no reason. The awful translation just adds to the insanity of Wild Arms 2, it'd still be batshit crazy if it were competently translated. Was it sentient? I recall it just being this alien force of nature, and the big struggle all game was simply "this isn't a problem we can shoot with a gun!"
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8-Bit Scholar posted:Is it coming out on PS4? Yup. http://gematsu.com/2015/12/esrb-rates-wild-arms-3-siren-primal-okage-ape-escape-3-ps4 Likely future emulated titles. Clarste posted:Was it sentient? I recall it just being this alien force of nature, and the big struggle all game was simply "this isn't a problem we can shoot with a gun!" You know, I can't remember if it were sentient or not I just assumed it was. I was just too amazed by how crazy the game was that I'm probably overestimating just how much crazy is in the game.
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I saw some stuff going around that the english release of Bravely Second got pretty butchered with entire choices and scenes being cut for no reason other than to force a "good" outcome. Is this true? I don't really care about the native american --> cowboy class change even if I think it's stupid but this seems kinda over the line.
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8-Bit Scholar posted:Is it coming out on PS4? It was recently re-rated by ESRB along with a handful of other PS2 games. No details as for a release date/announcement have been made yet though.
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Ibram Gaunt posted:I saw some stuff going around that the english release of Bravely Second got pretty butchered with entire choices and scenes being cut for no reason other than to force a "good" outcome. Is this true? I don't really care about the native american --> cowboy class change even if I think it's stupid but this seems kinda over the line. I'm still in the midst of BS, but having "good" and "bad" outcomes sorta goes against the themes of the story and the ways it progresses. Hold off until I've finished the game and looked up what scenes were changed and I'll get back to y'all on this.
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Ibram Gaunt posted:I saw some stuff going around that the english release of Bravely Second got pretty butchered with entire choices and scenes being cut for no reason other than to force a "good" outcome. Is this true? I don't really care about the native american --> cowboy class change even if I think it's stupid but this seems kinda over the line. Someone seems to have decided that having a 'bad' ending didn't fit the theme because it was based on making judgement call decisions that were neither good or bad so it appears they removed it. There's been no actual mention of it by S-E either way and some people think it might be a bug that no-one caught.
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Ibram Gaunt posted:I saw some stuff going around that the english release of Bravely Second got pretty butchered with entire choices and scenes being cut for no reason other than to force a "good" outcome. Is this true? I don't really care about the native american --> cowboy class change even if I think it's stupid but this seems kinda over the line. well they cut out a bunch of the artbook and changed a bunch of costumes besides that one at least, but i'm not sure anyone reached the ending yet to check that
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