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boner confessor posted:she's real good at her job in congress. if you just give ground on everything the republicans irrationally hate then you'd have a bunch of democrats driving diesel trucks and eating nothing but red meat for fear of offending. grow a spine Speaking as someone who was pretty consistently Republican until recently, she's an anchor in every state where it matters. She's been in the job long enough and has been vilified to the extent where she's the Right's new boogie man now that Hillary is hopefully finally gone. I get that Democrats don't need to cater to the wishes of Republicans, but Pelosi gets GOP voters out while really doing nothing to help Democratic turn-out. Going with younger leadership without a poo poo ton of baggage isn't giving into Republicans. Keeping her in a position of party power is about as smart as dragging Hillary out for another run (or running her twice in the first place).
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Glazier posted:The Democrats will be allowed to exist in pockets but never enough to challenge ironclad GOP rule. Within a generation we will see the first President for Life and the end of elections. Like, do you ever take a step back from the keyboard and read this? This is Alex Jones level fear mongering
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FizFashizzle posted:they're already doing this with elizabeth warren But I thought republicans hated regulations? 
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Aves Maria! posted:have you ever tried being a little more realistic Yeah and the realistic view is that a whole loving lot of people are going to die, sorry if I'm having trouble getting out from under that cloud
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skeleton warrior posted:What's different between what you're saying now and what Karl Rove asserted in 2005? Karl Rove was right.
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OctaMurk posted:maybe the dems are no the problem Por que no los dos
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:It's not Pelosi. Pelosi is a tribal totem. If she goes they'd just pick another totem. I was wondering why so many Ossoff fundraising emails namedropped Paul Ryan. It's as though some consultant took a look at Republican anti-Pelosi attack ads, and said "drat, that's a great way to connect with potential Democratic and liberal voters!."
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Dirt posted:Dems have managed to lose to: This isn't a slam against democrats, it's a slam on all the racist fucktwats that live in the south.
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The national democratic party is run by incompetent losers. That isn't changing before the midterms.
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Guy Goodbody posted:Dems winning just enough of a majority to stop the Republicans shouldn't be the goal. Let's try to imagine aiming higher I mean I can dream of a hundred seat tsunami, but one step at a time here. Gotta flip the House before you can start securing it.
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Guy Goodbody posted:Dems winning just enough of a majority to stop the Republicans shouldn't be the goal. Let's try to imagine aiming higher You got to learn how to walk before you run, and so far they are still crawling. Guy Goodbody posted:I don't know much about her career, who did she ratfuck? Honestly the only thing that comes to mind when I hear the name Nancy Pelosi is the Obamacare 'Gotta pass it to read it', which will forever be sad and hilarious to me. TGLT posted:I mean I can dream of a hundred seat tsunami, but one step at a time here. Gotta flip the House before you can start securing it. We're going to get single payer healthcare before we ever come close to flipping the House. BetterToRuleInHell fucked around with this message at 03:31 on Jun 21, 2017 |
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Glazier posted:Oh yeah, as a black man I know my days are numbered. If I ever get pulled over I'm dead, we don't survive police encounters in Trump's America. dude, you seriously need to get help
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cravius posted:Like, do you ever take a step back from the keyboard and read this? This is Alex Jones level fear mongering Pretty sure he was being ironic, dude. Still though, it's become pretty clear that we can't win elections, for whatever reason. Somebody had a pretty good post about the rise of narrativism that I personally found convincing.
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Spiritus Nox posted:Yeah and the realistic view is that a whole loving lot of people are going to die, sorry if I'm having trouble getting out from under that cloud yeah, that's loving sad but that was going to happen and is happening no matter the result of these special elections. sometimes you need to take a step back for your own mental health
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Mantis42 posted:No one made Ossoff run his general campaign strictly on deficit reduction instead of on the massively unpopular healthcare bill. Is this a joke?
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Bottom Liner posted:This isn't a slam against democrats, it's a slam on all the racist fucktwats that live in the south. Muh daddy died of lung cancer in the mines and buh gawd I'll die by lung cancer in the mines and I wouldnt have it any other way
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Dirt posted:Dems have managed to lose to: Democrats seem to have decided that the key to winning is polling and analytics. At some point they will remember that the candidate also happens to be a key factor.
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OctaMurk posted:maybe the dems are no the problem Democrats won pretty big in the Obama 2008 election. Then they used the 2 years of complete sovereignty to gently caress over taxpayers and bail out billionaires. It's not America. It's the party and politics that is the problem.
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BardoTheConsumer posted:Pretty sure he was being ironic, dude. Still though, it's become pretty clear that we can't win elections, for whatever reason. Somebody had a pretty good post about the rise of narrativism that I personally found convincing. I think it's because Democrats have a lot of trouble articulating a believable message that they'll make people's lives materially better
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Honestly the only thing that comes to mind when I hear the name Nancy Pelosi is the Obamacare 'Gotta pass it to read it', which will forever be sad and hilarious to me. yes, republican propaganda is quite often sad and hilarious
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Guy Goodbody posted:dude, you seriously need to get help I have my regular weekly appointment on Friday, and I've been taking my meds, not that it will help.
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Bottom Liner posted:This isn't a slam against democrats, it's a slam on all the racist fucktwats that live in the south. Back in freshman year of college I got woken up by one of my roommates blaring Johnny Rebel to the delight of his friends. He was a real treat of a roommate.
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Guy Goodbody posted:I think it's because Democrats have a lot of trouble articulating a believable message that they'll make people's lives materially better Yes but the other side is literally, actively screwing over all the little guys who vote for them. It's ridiculous.
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Phlairdon posted:I've been seeing this thrown around in this forum since 2004. wasn't that also the last time a republican won the popular vote?
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Guy Goodbody posted:dude, you seriously need to get help Or you might want to give him a little latitude seeing as the dashcam footage of the Castile shooting came out today and it's a bit harrowing to see a cop practically unload a clip because a scary black man with his wife and kid in the car calmly said he had a gun and probably made the fatal mistake of moving his hand afterward.
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Pelosi was more responsible for Obamacare than Obama. So yeah I can't stand her but she pushed that poo poo and made every Democrat step in line to get it through. I don't like her but to say she's a incompetent buffoon is a bit much. People wanting some young person in the Democratic leadership position is loving retarded. I'll remind you that millenials were the ones that pushed for not canvasing in Wisconsin and there was a 30 year old Brooklynite getting out the urban vote in the campaign. Yeah it's great and we need young people in the party, but you need someone like Nancy Pelosi and the like in the party to be like " Look this is how things actually work". Otherwise you just get idiots like the tea party members etc.. in office who can't find their rear end with both hands. I'll take a shrewd political operator over a young idealist any day of the week.
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gohmak posted:Don’t worry. When Mary Norwood wins Atlanta mayor and gentrifies the poo poo out of the rest of the city there goes Lewis’s seat. it's not really possible to increase atlanta's gentrification rate
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Aves Maria! posted:yes, republican propaganda is quite often sad and hilarious  Don't try to shift the absurdity of that statement on republican propaganda.
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Nelson Mandingo posted:Democrats won pretty big in the Obama 2008 election. Then they used the 2 years of complete sovereignty to gently caress over taxpayers and bail out billionaires. It's not America. It's the party and politics that is the problem. The only way Democrats can get the dolts in their base off their asses to actually vote is a spectacularly charismatic presidential candidate.
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BardoTheConsumer posted:Yes but the other side is literally, actively screwing over all the little guys who vote for them. It's ridiculous. Explaining to poor people that they are not billionaires is taboo
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Krispy Kareem posted:Three things killed Ossoff. The run-off system, the fact he didn't live in his district, and Nancy Pelosi. Almost every attack ad focused on where he lived and how he'd take orders from Pelosi. That woman is a loving anchor on any Democrat running in a red or purple district. I can't see how the Democratic Party is benefiting from her in a leadership role. It's not like she has preceded over a never ending string of victories over the last 4 years. Nancy Pelosi doesnt have anything to do with it. The Republican tactic is to demonize whoever the top democrat is. The flavor of the week is democrat obstruction stopping the republicans from getting anything done (I swear these Republican motherfuckers have the memory of a goldfish) and the current femi-nazi America hating secret muslim at the head of all of it is Pelosi. If Jesus Christ was ressurected and elected into the minority leader position as a democrat all the Republicans would convert to Islam within a week. It doesnt matter who is at the top of the democrats, they will be slandered and demonized 24/7 on Fox and AM radio, and every irrational, incapable-of-critical-thought Republican (all of them) will take the bait and line up around the block to vote against whatever the current enemy stands for.
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Krispy Kareem posted:Speaking as someone who was pretty consistently Republican until recently, she's an anchor in every state where it matters. She's been in the job long enough and has been vilified to the extent where she's the Right's new boogie man now that Hillary is hopefully finally gone. Because there's no way they could demonize someone like, say, Barack Obama in the eyes of their base quickly. Anything you can say about Pelosi motivating Republicans out of pure hate applies to the Democrats as a party.
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BardoTheConsumer posted:Yes but the other side is literally, actively screwing over all the little guys who vote for them. It's ridiculous. OK, but "I'm not them" is not actually a great message that gets people out to vote. That has been proven for the Democrats over and over again, I;m not sure why they refuse to learn it BIG HEADLINE posted:Or you might want to give him a little latitude seeing as the dashcam footage of the Castile shooting came out today and it's a bit harrowing to see a cop practically unload a clip because a scary black man with his wife and kid in the car calmly said he had a gun and probably made the fatal mistake of moving his hand afterward. Man, he's been posting like that non-stop since before the inauguration.
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Vegetable posted:If the Democrats were run entirely by white men they might win something Have unironically seen this argument posted in this thread.
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Nancy Pelosi posted:“We have to pass the bill,” she said, “so that you can find out what is in it — away from the fog of the controversy.” this is an entirely reasonable statement, and the only way you could find it not to be is if you're an idiot
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Hollismason posted:I don't like her but to say she's a incompetent buffoon is a bit much. She's not incompetent - she's an extremely intelligent person. She's a great leader, but she's a bad fighter.
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Phlairdon posted:I've been seeing this thrown around in this forum since 2004. I've been seeing it since 1994. People don't seem to realize that the left is completely irrelevant in this country, and getting moreso.
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Nelson Mandingo posted:Democrats won pretty big in the Obama 2008 election. Then they used the 2 years of complete sovereignty to gently caress over taxpayers and bail out billionaires. It's not America. It's the party and politics that is the problem. Once again the Democrats didn't have 2 years of complete sovereignty, they had like 6 months before Ted Kennedy croaked (plus Lieberman was still in office then). https://twitter.com/yashar/status/877351572946042880
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Glazier posted:The Democrats will be allowed to exist in pockets but never enough to challenge ironclad GOP rule. Within a generation we will see the first President for Life and the end of elections. How's life in that prison camp?
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