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Talas posted:
I'll support this if it includes this provision: Lord Cyrahzax posted:For step 2, I'd recommend 'colonize unclaimed Pacific islands'
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 Going to propose the Religious Revival Act. 1: Build/Upgrade to Great Mosques wherever and whenever possible 2: Take Innovative Ideas 3: Advance Humanist Ideas as fast as possible, to reduce revolts Edit: Would Innovative Ideas be better than Administrative? Edit 2: Taking Innovative Ideas. devildragon777 fucked around with this message at 02:02 on Aug 10, 2017 |
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I'd personally go Innovative because I'm a massive whore for tech discounts and iirc it also has more tolerance E: It doesn't have tolerance anymore (if it ever did), but it does have cheaper mercs, cheaper inflation reduction, and more upkeep-free military leaders so it's still super worth it with how often we use all those things. Crazycryodude fucked around with this message at 22:14 on Aug 9, 2017 |
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Aug 9, 2017 21:59
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Lord Cyrahzax posted:
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Aug 9, 2017 22:16
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The Manchu are liberating their Ainu brothers from Japanese occupation! All is right in the world.
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Aug 9, 2017 22:18
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To make things as clear as possible for people, Innovative versus Economic is this: Innovative: -1% Prestige Decay -25% Mercenary Maintenance -10% Technology Cost/Institution Embrace Cost +1 possible advisors -10% reduce inflation cost -0.05 monthly war exhaustion +1 leaders without upkeep -25% advisors cost vs. Economic: +10% national tax modifier -10% build cost +0.10 yearly inflation reduction -1 interest per annum -0.05 monthly autonomy change -10% land maintenance modifier +10% production efficiency -20% development cost It's a tough decision, but I'm leaning Innovative because of the policies Innovative brings to the table. Innovative+Offensive (+10% siege leader ability and +1 leader siege) and Innovative+Quality (+20% infantry combat ability) are both rad as hell!
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Aug 9, 2017 22:22
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I don't think they've ever been the focus of a state of the world update or even mentioned before, but what exactly is Cherson? They seem to get bigger everytime we see the world map. Given their name I'd assume that they were a breakaway duchy from the Byzantines that got big after the Mongols came through the area.
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Aug 9, 2017 22:26
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Lord Cyrahzax posted:
An insufficient half-measure that will enable our enemies. Not Such A Sick Man Anymore Act 1. France is an eternal enemy of al-Andalus. We should reunite with our lost territories and reduce France to the smallest territorial size possible, preferably by eliminating its Mediterranean coast; 2. Iberia should be united and indivisible. As soon as possible, we must conquer all territory in the Iberia region; 3. We are surrounded by enemies on all sides. We must grow the al-Andalusi Army so that it can rival any of its rivals in Europe.
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Aug 9, 2017 22:28
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Yeah Economic might dig us out of this hole we're in right now a few years faster than we'd otherwise get out of it, but Innovative is the long-term choice that's still paying off in a century. We can get more gold by beating up the Mexicans. We can't get cheaper tech or the synergy policies anywhere else, though. To say nothing of what being the hearth of both the Industrial and Scientific Revolutions could do for us farther down the line.
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RZApublican posted:I don't think they've ever been the focus of a state of the world update or even mentioned before, but what exactly is Cherson? They seem to get bigger everytime we see the world map. Given their name I'd assume that they were a breakaway duchy from the Byzantines that got big after the Mongols came through the area. From what I can remember, I think they were the last Orthodox holdout of the Byzantine Empire after the whole Catholic Basileus to Latin Empire thing happened in CK2, and ended up with one or two provinces towards the end of the game. They start off with the Crimean peninsula in EU4 though.
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Aug 9, 2017 22:34
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And when did Crusader Egypt become Arabic?
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Hashim posted:From what I can remember, I think they were the last Orthodox holdout of the Byzantine Empire after the whole Catholic Basileus to Latin Empire thing happened in CK2, and ended up with one or two provinces towards the end of the game. They start off with the Crimean peninsula in EU4 though. Wow, they've got to be the luckiest thing to come out of the Byzantine collapse then and probably the most powerful of the Greek successor states (Greek in core culture, at least).
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Aug 9, 2017 22:37
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Talas posted:
I only care about three here, but I care about it a lot. Support
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Lord Cyrahzax posted:And when did Crusader Egypt become Arabic? They're not (they're Sahidic), they changed dynasties alot in CK2 and ended up with the 'Ashrafi'.
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Talas posted:
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Updated policies:Lord Cyrahzax posted:I submit the Andalusi Restoration Act: Lord Cyrahzax, Frionnel, unwantedplatypus, RZApublican, Snipee, the JJ. QuoProQuid posted:Not Such A Sick Man Anymore Act QuoProQuid. Archaeology Hat posted:I propose the Better Guns, Better Boats, Better Life Act, mandating that Innovation be supported at every turn so that our military be supplied with the most up to date weapons. Archaeology Hat. Rodyle posted:Building Bridges Rodyle, Grizzwold. sheep-dodger posted:I will propose the Homeland Security Act sheep-dodger. Ralepozozaxe posted:I propose The Devilishly good deal contract Ralepozozaxe. Talas posted:I submit the You're Gonna Need a Bigger Fleet Act. Talas, paragon1, GunnerJ, Yvonmukluk, Captain Oblivious. Technowolf posted:I propose the It's the economy, stupid! act. Technowolf. devildragon777 posted:Going to propose the Religious Revival Act. devildragon777, Slaan, Vinny Possum. AJ_Impy posted:I propose the There is No God but Allah, No Prophet but Muhammad, No Faith but Islam Act. AJ_Impy. hashashash fucked around with this message at 01:25 on Aug 10, 2017 |
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Seriously though either the Taifas or the Merchants need to advocate for (preferably) Innovative ideas. I'll take Economics in a pinch but Innovative would be great. Merchants only have one policy ssoooooo....
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Aug 9, 2017 22:46
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"Get money" could be replaced pretty easily, right now it doesn't mean much.
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Aug 9, 2017 22:49
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Could bring the Ulama on board and get them to switch their proposal to Innovative
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Lord Cyrahzax posted:"Get money" could be replaced pretty easily, right now it doesn't mean much.
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devildragon777 posted:
Seconding this bill
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Aug 9, 2017 22:59
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I propose the Better Guns, Better Boats, Better Life Act, mandating that Innovation be supported at every turn so that our military be supplied with the most up to date weapons.
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Aug 9, 2017 23:01
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Talas posted:
Supporting.
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Aug 9, 2017 23:08
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Archaeology Hat posted:
Idea: Building Bridges 1. Restore our alliances with Bavaria, Provence, and Tunis 2. Select Innovation for our next idea group 3. Add more accepted cultures, starting with the largest. Rody One Half fucked around with this message at 23:21 on Aug 9, 2017 |
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Aug 9, 2017 23:09
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Make #3 adding accepted cultures and you've got my vote. But we should see if devildragon changes his idea pick to Innovative, first.
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So my first impressions are that 3 directives per policy is a bit too much, and results in wildly different things making it into a single bill (like soothing colonial nations and forming alliances and accepting cultures), so I reckon I'll knock it down to two directives per policy for the next session. I'll leave it as is for now though.
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devildragon777 posted:
This has my support
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Talas posted:
Supporting this measure.
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Aug 9, 2017 23:55
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I will propose the Homeland Security Act - develop level 24 mil tech asap - Build max level Fortresses in Navarra, Wasqah and Jabal Tariq - build level 2 fortresses in Evora, Qunka and Liyun and scrap the other smaller fortresses on the peninsula The large fortresses will make sure we have strong fortifications at every entrance to the Iberian peninsula and in the best possible defensive terrain, securing the peninsula for ourselves as long as the navy holds our coasts. (Forts in mountain provinces are an amazing defence) The smaller fortresses will control the countryside and make sure that in the case of rebellion, order is quickly restored. (the Zone of Control exerted by forts massively increases the speed at which devastation is reduced, thus helping to keep our provinces productive) I will also suggest to my colleagues among the traders and in the ulema that taking an administrative idea group while we are not even halfway through filling out Humanism and also need at least another 450 admin points to reduce our inflation might not be the best option, as progress would be incredibly slow, Maritime might be more useful, as it allows us to grow our navy further to directly compete with both Morocco and the Gaelic Empire. In case any of my colleagues are considering what to propose in their legislation, it might also be prudent to dishinherit our current heir, as he is not up to the task of leading a modern state. sheep-dodger fucked around with this message at 00:33 on Aug 10, 2017 |
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My fellow Imams, esteemed Muftis, we stand at a crossroads. We do not have the wherewithal to teach the vast majority of the Faithful the intricacies of the inheritance of the Prophet, but we do know that they are committed to Allah. Our position is not good: Hashim posted:The Reformed Ulema are the smallest faction, so there will be no province conversion, through policies or otherwise. There may be an increase in Sunni rebellion as well, since they’ll see the clergy as weak enough to revolt. We cannot afford revolts right now, no matter the cost. We cannot afford infighting with our brothers of the faith. Our armies are beleaguered, our options limited. Conversion is barred to us: We cannot try and enforce Shia doctrine. But there is one option that lies open to us, which will utterly shut down the possibility of Sunni revolt. There is one chance, one hope, of ensuring we can face down external threats rather than internal ones. My brothers, hear me out: We can save Al-Andalus from ruin through some truly masterful manoeuvring. I propose the There is No God but Allah, No Prophet but Muhammad, No Faith but Islam Act. 1: Build/Upgrade to Great Mosques wherever and whenever possible. 2: Take Administrative ideas. 3: Declare the one true faith to be unified in Al-Andalus, and end the religious division once and for all. Have our scholars unite and definitively determine the doctrinal issues which threaten to tear our nation apart. Let the Sultan and the People be of one faith, one unity, one nation, together united, thus preventing even the possibility of Sunni revolts. Immediately convert back to Sunni.
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Lord Cyrahzax posted:
Perfection. I am supporting this.
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Frionnel posted:Now this i can support.
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 I propose The Devilishly good deal contract 1. Trade ideas. It's half our income, so lets make more. Plus, dip points aren't as important to us right now as the other. 2. Build some barracks. More dudes is more cool. 3. Protect the minor muslims from any sort of bad doings, which ever provinces they are in. I have a vested interests in these groups. Also yeah, these laws are confusing. Though I guess that once the Meijis could finally reconvene they would cause a ruckus. Ralepozozaxe fucked around with this message at 01:14 on Aug 10, 2017 |
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The only issue i can think of with Admnistrative, Economic and Innovative is that they will compete with Humanism for points. It's not that big of an issue, just means progress in one will be a bit slower. Otherwise the three are solid idea groups.
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Rodyle posted:Idea: Supporting this mostly for the idea group. We're the cradle of industry and should play that to the hilt. I do have a couple reservations, mainly that I think the alliances clause is too narrow if none of them want us as friends. I'm also not sure about the accepted cultures since they keep revolting anyway, but why let the perfect be the enemy of the good enough? Disclaimer: I have never played EU4 because it is super intimidating looking, esp. with so many DLCs 
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Updated policies:Lord Cyrahzax posted:I submit the Andalusi Restoration Act: Lord Cyrahzax, Frionnel, unwantedplatypus, RZApublican, Snipee, the JJ. QuoProQuid posted:Not Such A Sick Man Anymore Act QuoProQuid. Archaeology Hat posted:I propose the Better Guns, Better Boats, Better Life Act, mandating that Innovation be supported at every turn so that our military be supplied with the most up to date weapons. Archaeology Hat. Rodyle posted:Building Bridges Rodyle, Grizzwold. sheep-dodger posted:I will propose the Homeland Security Act sheep-dodger. Ralepozozaxe posted:I propose The Devilishly good deal contract Ralepozozaxe. Talas posted:I submit the You're Gonna Need a Bigger Fleet Act. Talas, paragon1, GunnerJ, Yvonmukluk, Captain Oblivious. Technowolf posted:I propose the It's the economy, stupid! act. Technowolf. devildragon777 posted:Going to propose the Religious Revival Act. devildragon777, Slaan, Vinny Possum. AJ_Impy posted:I propose the There is No God but Allah, No Prophet but Muhammad, No Faith but Islam Act. AJ_Impy. hashashash fucked around with this message at 02:18 on Aug 10, 2017 |
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Hashim posted:This will work out perfectly, I'm sure. Here in Al-Andalus we have set our sights so very high that even failure will carry in it an echo of glory. 
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In case anyone's wondering, going back to Sunni will tank our prestige and set us at -3 stability.
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Rodyle posted:Idea: Supporting this act.
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Ralepozozaxe posted:In case anyone's wondering, going back to Sunni will tank our prestige and set us at -3 stability. And that's assuming the sultan would be okay with it.
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