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Schizotek posted:What are the tears made of?
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Slashrat posted:Are naval mines likely to detonate by hitting dry ground when dropped from a helicopter or is this a sign of how desperate the army is to do something, however futile, to put a dent in the rebels? As long as it hits properly and pushes the plunger in it should go off. The one in the video appears to have gotten some spin so the plungers were sheared off instead of pushed in.
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Dec 9, 2012 22:33
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Schizotek posted:What are the tears made of? It could be sulfuric acid, which is a part of the detonator used in cheap naval mines.
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Dec 9, 2012 22:41
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Children playing in Aleppo about 100 meters away from the fighting. 
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Dec 9, 2012 23:07
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Once/if Syria becomes peaceful enough for it to be possible, there is going to have to be a massive massive unexploded ordinance cleanup with international help.
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Dec 10, 2012 00:26
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I guess you haven't heard about those areas that still have 40 year old mines that occasionally blow up farmers. Pretty sure the world just forgets about that poo poo.
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Dec 10, 2012 00:49
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They still occasionally find WW1 bombs in Belgium, those things don't really go away no matter how hard you search.
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Dec 10, 2012 00:52
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i poo poo trains posted:The situation in a Syria is an ethnic civil war that's only framed in terms of dictatorship versus democracy when it comes to swooning Westerners. As fast as you are to characterize this as a sole crazed dictator fighting a war of oppression, the fact of the matter is that the actual war is (rural, conservative) Sunni vs. the old Alawite elite (with a bunch of minorities mixed in), and even with Assad gone they would still be fighting this war. You're going to have to cite this "fact of the matter," because everything anywhere is at odds with your perspective. The original protests and immolation were about the strict security measures the regime had in place on the public due to being in a "state of emergency," support for Libya and Egypt, and human rights and freedom. They were very small, which would suggest there was no massive underlying issue just waiting to bubble to the surface like you're bringing up, but the regimes brutal crackdowns on them led to the day of rage. This has been entirely about Assad and the Syrian government since day 1. No way in hell is the war going on right now if the government would've even entertained the public demands. quote:whoever wins, there's probably going to be some serious massacres and, in the case of a Sunni victory, ethnic cleansing. Civil wars are a messy business, and to believe that you can achieve a 'good' outcome by giving guns to the side with the best PR is idiotic. I agree that there will likely be some violence against Alawites by scattered remnants of the opposition that aren't on board with the Coalition, but to think it would be anything but dwarfed by the full scale military operations that the regime has had and continues to have against a civilian populace is a bit farfetched. And it will be much easier to quell because the future Syrian government is already working with the international community, and will continue to during the rebuilding process. We can instate safe zones and provide security and all those things that have been suggested that weren't viable before due to diplomatic reasons. The regime is doomed to fall no matter what. All these fears you have about the future of Syria are going to be brought to the table eventually. The only question is how long is it going to take, and how many people is he going to be able to kill before it happens. That's why letting it handle itself is a terrible idea. Might as well speed the process up, rather than wait for him to fall through a long, horrific siege of Damascus, with that many more dead, and then STILL have to worry about the safety of the Alawite people. Charliegrs posted:But as for the aftermath of this civil war, I agree with your outlook. I think its going to be pretty horrific. And I think thats why most western countries arent getting too involved right now because they see the writing on the walls as to whats going to happen once Assad falls and dont want to contribute to it. Again, it's inevitable, but it's hard to see it not being preferable to the status quo. The biggest obstacle towards intervention right now has to be the diplomatic issues with Russia and China. Nobody wants to start another cold war by stepping on toes for something so inconsequential in the long run as Syria. Volkerball fucked around with this message at 01:18 on Dec 10, 2012 |
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Dec 10, 2012 00:56
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CNN has started using a qualifier on their coverage of Syrian chemical weapons: "NBC reported Wednesday night that Syria is loading chemical weapons into bombs. CNN has not confirmed the NBC report." I saw this in at least three different stories on their site right now. I'm glad there is some pushback, however minor, over the WMD fear mongering.
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Dec 10, 2012 01:17
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Bob Socko posted:Shame and self loathing. He had one job in life - to blow up - and he can't even do that right. Think how disappointed his father is. I hear his father went to pieces.
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Dec 10, 2012 01:23
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Evil Fluffy posted:I hear his father went to pieces. Wouldn't a mine's father explode in anger? It seems rather odd that Syria would just drop a naval mine onto land instead of extracting the explosives and putting it into an improvised bomb that would, perhaps, have more reliability.
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Dec 10, 2012 01:45
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Schizotek posted:I guess you haven't heard about those areas that still have 40 year old mines that occasionally blow up farmers. Which is why EOD has become a focus in the modern era. There are current international efforts to remove UXO from Vietnam, Cambodia, Bosnia, etc
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Dec 10, 2012 02:17
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Davincie posted:They still occasionally find WW1 bombs in Belgium, those things don't really go away no matter how hard you search. When I was a kid there was an unfortunate British golfer who found one the hard way in a sand trap.
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Dec 10, 2012 04:00
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Seems like Morsi will win this whole conflict if the opposition can't decide whether to vote or to boycott. If they vote they might lose, which would be embarrassing, but if they boycott they can.. do what, exactly? Call it illegitimate, even though its become law and their opinion doesn't matter to the government?
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Dec 10, 2012 06:21
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i poo poo trains posted:The fact that hypothetical non-sectarian groups would need significant western aid to even theoretically have a chance against the sectarian ones is prima facie evidence that the population simply isn't interested in fighting the same war liberals in the West would like them to. You're also assuming that the US and others would be comfortable arming groups that will likely end up in opposition to Islamists and others armed by Qatar and Saudi Arabia, which seems unlikely. The situation in Syria is a proxy war motivated by sovereign self-interest and by believing that the most humanitarian solution is allowing CIA spooks to pour arms onto the situation you become little more than a useful idiot. In light of impending genocide, your oh so massive intelligence deems that letting said genocide happen is the best choice? You know, something like this IS going to be attempted. You can pretend that nothing can be done about it and wring your hands in terrible worriment, or you can accept that somebody is going to try it and at least try and help out the people who have said they won't allow something like that. So yes, helping groups that will fight against any attempted genocide would be an amazing idea. An awesome idea, because they're the sort of people who you want to have a fighting chance. And right now, they do have a fighting chance, and they do exist. But wait till JAN is done with the regime, and guess what some of their members will try doing, with pretty much nobody but the targets themselves to stop them. Cutting Edge Tanks, as made by the FSA.
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Dec 10, 2012 06:39
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Robot hobbyists are now just taking advantage of the civil war to get people to help them with their projects.
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Dec 10, 2012 06:40
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Smashurbanipal posted:Hussein and Mubarak did put down and repress the Dawa and the Brotherhood respectively, but that's not why the US was supporting them. Please remember that one of the world's most theocratic states is our bosom buddy and has been for about 50 years now. And I'm not talking about Israel
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Dec 10, 2012 07:53
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Nothing on Sudan? Come on, guysquote:Six people were injured on Sunday as Sudanese police clashed with hundreds of protesters showing support for four dead students originally from the conflict-plagued Darfur region, an AFP reporter said.
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Dec 10, 2012 08:19
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Under what definition can Sudan be considered part of the Middle East?
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Dec 10, 2012 08:54
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They speak Arabic, they're part of the Arab League. Just as much a part of the Middle East as other North African Arab countries.
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Dec 10, 2012 08:57
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North Sudan is definitely Middle Eastern in terms of culture and language; obviously the Upper Nile is much less so. Unless you're a 19th century Englishman and want to talk about the Near East instead. edit: The Sudan.
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Dec 10, 2012 08:58
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cargo cult posted:So who ARE you talking about? Saudi Arabia? Pakistan? Saudi.
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Dec 10, 2012 09:55
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The Sudanese government has more important things to worry about than protestors. Like Israeli spy vultures.
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Dec 10, 2012 10:23
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There's been mounting clashes in Tripoli lately. The conflict's been slowly spilling over the North border. Hopefully there won't be anything else, but Tripoli seems to often by the first city embroiled in conflicts... Also, is Ahram news a trustworthy source?
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Dec 10, 2012 12:12
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Sudan is definitely Middle East, especially now that the South split. I mean, it's part of the Middle East in the weird-rear end cousin kind of way, but still family.
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Dec 10, 2012 12:22
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Whelp, Morsi just gave the millitary arrest powers.
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Dec 10, 2012 16:37
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Benagain posted:Whelp, Morsi just gave the millitary arrest powers. Who is giving power to whom here? Didn't the military just cause Morsi to rescind his decree by clearing its throat?
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Dec 10, 2012 16:45
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In other news, the US Department of State has announced that it designated Jabhat al-Nusra as a Foreign Terrorist Organization: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...7532_story.html quote:The State Department has designated Syria’s Jabhat al-Nusra Front as a Global Terrorist organization. The new designation identifies the group as an alias of previously designated al-Qaeda in Iraq. This could be a very interesting development, especially as Jabhat al-Nusra continues to solidfy its reputation as one of the most proficient insurgent groups operating in Syria.
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Dec 10, 2012 18:27
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I'm just going to leave this here. "Syrian homemade tank" http://imgur.com/a/pyqst
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Dec 10, 2012 18:39
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^^^^ The Playstation's new multiplayer mode?suboptimal posted:In other news, the US Department of State has announced that it designated Jabhat al-Nusra as a Foreign Terrorist Organization: You couldn't have chosen a better moment to post that last sentence if you tried. Syria rebels overrun Aleppo military base Sheikh Suleiman fell, the J. al-N. were at the forefront and the FSA was said to be absent. Well, drat. Also, successful ambushes at Maarat al-Numan and Bukraya by the rebels; that does not look good for any Assad forces in the north. ecureuilmatrix fucked around with this message at 18:48 on Dec 10, 2012 |
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Dec 10, 2012 18:42
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Welp, now Syria is at the phase where it is producing its own 
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Dec 10, 2012 18:44
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mitztronic posted:I'm just going to leave this here.
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Dec 10, 2012 20:00
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For a group that has blown up a lot of Syrian army BMPs and Tanks do they really think that thing is an improvement??
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Dec 10, 2012 20:04
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ecureuilmatrix posted:^^^^ The Playstation's new multiplayer mode? I'm going to look into confirming 100% Sheik Suleiman fell, if that's right then it's extremely significant for the fighting in the north of the country, it could make a real difference in the battle for Aleppo.
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Dec 10, 2012 20:23
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priznat posted:For a group that has blown up a lot of Syrian army BMPs and Tanks do they really think that thing is an improvement?? I would rather be inside that armour if someone shot at me with a rifle, but I can only hope it's fast enough to escape from a real tank.
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Dec 10, 2012 20:42
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Chamale posted:I would rather be inside that armour if someone shot at me with a rifle, but I can only hope it's fast enough to escape from a real tank. Honestly, I think I'd rather be out on the ground able to go take cover than in that thing even versus a person with a rifle. I'd be surprised if its armor does a whole hell of a lot if you get a good 90-degree offset shot at it.
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Dec 10, 2012 20:51
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The metal looks pretty rusty and steel core stuff is gonna give it a pretty bad day. Not to mention there didn't look like there was any kind of anti-spalling protection on the interior.
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Dec 10, 2012 21:40
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az jan jananam posted:This is a positive development in Tunisia for a number of reasons. It shows that leftist organizations are organized and once again capable of and willing to cause noticeable disruptions of the right-wing government of Tunisia. It shows that Tunisian labor has changed its position from the quietism of the Ben Ali era. It shows that the Union Generale and labor in general can successfully compel concessions from Ennahdha in the face of a government crackdown. How much has the current government been mishandling the situation and how much is the lack of progress due to the fact that the underlying issues are hard to resolve? From what you're saying you don't believe that if the left wing block was in power this unrest in these regions wouldn't be occurring. [e] I should add the recent developments: The party of the Tunisian President Marzouki is threatening to leave the governing coalition. They are the center left CPR currently playing second fiddle to the centre right and Islamist Ennahda Movement. Tunisia police, militants clash near Algeria border, one dead Munin fucked around with this message at 23:02 on Dec 10, 2012 |
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Dec 10, 2012 22:57
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mitztronic posted:I'm just going to leave this here. They armored up a golf cart, didn't they? Seriously, I'm trying to find what vehicle frame they used as basis for the chassis, and all I can think is "golf cart". It's cute, but of dubious utility.
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ChaosSamusX posted:Welp, now Syria is at the phase where it is producing its own Damnit, I was just about to say the same exact thing. The legend continues!
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