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WSAENOTSOCK posted:A great Zelda game will make you feel like you're a small child who's packed a few snacks and a book in your shoolbag, grabbed a stick you can pretend is your sword, and headed off into the woods to play and explore. yeah, i'd agree.
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Escape Goat posted:Nintendo included some save states on the newest virtual console releases, which I thought was kinda lame. But maybe playing Zelda 2 would be more accessible if you're leveled up with a save state? is that the version they have the japanese switch nesflix? next time i sign up i might give it a spin edit: holy poo poo that fds game over 
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Aug 23, 2020 21:07
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Nice thread, think I'll lurk until Majora's mask gets debated.
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Aug 23, 2020 21:13
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No debate, it's the best one.
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Aug 23, 2020 21:14
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Yup, well, I personally feel that there are two main types of Zelda games and Majora's mask is the finest example of one and BotW is the prime example of the other. But I eagerly await a rebuttal.
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Aug 23, 2020 21:23
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Captain Hygiene posted:No debate, it's the best one. If BotW had something resembling dungeons/temples instead of 120 micro dungeons and 4 small areas that all look the same, it would handedly Majora's Mask for me.
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Aug 23, 2020 21:27
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jisforjosh posted:If BotW had something resembling dungeons/temples instead of 120 micro dungeons and 4 small areas that all look the same, it would handedly Majora's Mask for me. That'd make it top tier for sure, but the use of the time loop mechanic make MM hard to beat for me, especially since I normally hate restricted timers. It's so different though, it's sorta tough to rank against the others I guess.
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Aug 23, 2020 21:31
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RickRogers posted:Yup, well, I personally feel that there are two main types of Zelda games and Majora's mask is the finest example of one and BotW is the prime example of the other. Majora's Mask is alright, Wind Waker is more fun for me personally.
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Aug 23, 2020 21:36
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RickRogers posted:Yup, well, I personally feel that there are two main types of Zelda games and Majora's mask is the finest example of one and BotW is the prime example of the other. I don't know if there's another game in the BotW category. The closest one is the original Zelda. Wind Waker? Ocarina of Time? For me, BotW is kind of its own thing. It has the trappings of the Zelda franchise but they're not at all essential to the central conceit of the game (i.e. exploring, climbing, going wherever, etc.) BotW is conspicuous in that it disregards most of the "established" history of the franchise and lives in its own bubble. If anything, it's a reboot of the original game that pays homage to the games before it. As a Zelda game, as we've come to know them, it's so radically different that it's hard to compare it but if I had to, it's middle-tier. It doesn't add much to the mythos (preferring to stay on well-tread ground), only Zelda grew as a character (the Champions are fairly one-note and Link is his silent self), the antagonist is more of a force than a personality, and most of the landmarks are bog-standard for a Zelda game. It doesn't innovate the franchise all that much, to be honest. As an instrument of fantasy adventure, however, it surpasses every other Zelda game by light years and is a contender for GOAT. If it's the best "Zelda," it's because Zelda, at its core, is about believing you can defeat the vast forces of darkness and rescue the princess while only having a rusty sword, broken shield, and most importantly, your wits. BotW is the example, par excellence, in that regard.
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Aug 23, 2020 23:29
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BotW the best Game that is called Zelda but it might not be the best Zelda Game. BotW is one of my favorite games of all time, much higher than any other Zelda game, but it's not the most representative of the franchise.
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Aug 23, 2020 23:45
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Let’s pray it is going forward.
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Aug 23, 2020 23:55
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Just gimme more BoTW games in it's own Zelda universe- they've done it with other Zelda games, there's no reason for them not to continue BoTW games after BoTW2.
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Aug 23, 2020 23:58
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majora’s mask is the greatest game ever made
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Aug 24, 2020 08:19
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There're a lot of good ideas that BOTW 2 could revisit that were originally featured in MM. Every weapon breaks after three in-game days
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Aug 24, 2020 08:25
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Chronojam posted:
Lol, yes and why not Goron races? Yeah, I lump BotW, and Windwaker together. And I suppose the original. I haven't played the CDI games, so maaaayybe them too. I don't think any other Zelda game, nay game, has more pressure on it and actual potential as BotW2
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Aug 24, 2020 09:06
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RickRogers posted:Lol, yes and why not Goron races? Goron races and swimming around as a Zora electrocuting poo poo. Also hookshots.
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Aug 24, 2020 09:21
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Inferior Third Season posted:I just watched the SGDQ Zelda 2 reverse boss order run. I didn't realize that speedruns of it were in a "glitched mode" for most of the run, where none of the floor or background tiles are displayed correctly, so the runner needs to memorize where everything is just to move around without falling in lava or bottomless pits. It's crazy. I remember seeing the five minute tool-assisted speedrun years ago that is totally bonkers from all the glitches, but didn't realize speedrunners were able to do similar things in real time. The most insane thing done at a gdq was the guy who beat Symphony of the Night while blindfolded. He even was able to use the menus by rote memorization.
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Aug 24, 2020 13:58
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RickRogers posted:I don't think any other Zelda game, nay game, has more pressure on it and actual potential as BotW2 It's up there. Most of the early Blizzard games were instant-classics so Diablo II, Warcraft III, and Starcraft II were all hugely hyped up. Final Fantasy 8 had to follow 7's genre-defining story. Halo 2... BotW2 is going to have to take a Majora's Mask approach and be completely different. MM was following OoT, already being considered GOAT (at the time), but instead of giving more of the same, it went in a totally different direction. There is no re-capturing the novelty of the first game. What BotW2 will have to do is amp up what made the first great and then spin it toward another end entirely. Different tone, different mechanics, and hopefully, just off-the-rails plot. If the rumors of Link's hand being possessed, alien invasions, and playing as Zelda are true, I think we're getting there.
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Aug 24, 2020 14:38
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Hey I would be fine with BotW2 being the Majora's Mask to BotW's Ocarina of Time, considering Majora's Mask was the best Zelda before BotW.
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Aug 24, 2020 14:46
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If you took every shrine in BotW you would have more puzzle-y “dungeon” content than MM and OoT put together.RickRogers posted:I don't think any other Zelda game, nay game, has more pressure on it and actual potential as BotW2 Uh, I dunno about that. Anything coming after Ocarina of Time had to be something like Majora’s Mask i.e. to weird to be judged fairly, because the expectations for Zelda games completely pivoted after that. Ocarina of Time was essentially a completely different kind of video game at the time. I think most people are genuinely hoping for “BotW, again, but with real dungeons”, no one is expecting a genre defying twist here, I don’t think.
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Aug 24, 2020 14:50
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I read through the 4chan BOTW2 “leak” a few months ago and I’m really hoping they’re right about playable Zelda. Hot swapping Zelda and Link, each with different skillsets sounds awesome. And if by miracle they allow two player co-op...but that’s probably a bridge too far.
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Aug 24, 2020 15:05
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Cartoon Man posted:I read through the 4chan BOTW2 “leak” a few months ago and I’m really hoping they’re right about playable Zelda. Hot swapping Zelda and Link, each with different skillsets sounds awesome. And if by miracle they allow two player co-op...but that’s probably a bridge too far. Only if it runs the castlevania route of yelling the name of the character who is about to be tagged in every time you swap. "ZELDA!" "LINK!" e: Bonus if this is the only voiced dialog of Link the entire game besides grunts and shouts. DelphiAegis fucked around with this message at 15:27 on Aug 24, 2020 |
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Aug 24, 2020 15:24
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romanowski posted:majora’s mask is the greatest game ever made Chronojam posted:There're a lot of good ideas that BOTW 2 could revisit that were originally featured in MM. Yeah, like having actual dungeons that don't suck.
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Aug 24, 2020 15:40
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DelphiAegis posted:Only if it runs the castlevania route of yelling the name of the character who is about to be tagged in every time you swap. If Link's shout isn't just his "SHAAAAAA" from OOT I'd be thoroughly disappointed.
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Aug 24, 2020 15:44
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BOTW was the first Zelda game that I played for more than an hour. I have Link’s Awakening, but it’s kind of meh. The shrines + beasts seemed like a good balance of puzzle content, but maybe I should go play the other games to see what came before. I really want two-player co-op in BOTW2 and would happily buy two copies of the game so I can play with my kid but don’t really expect it to happen.
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Aug 24, 2020 15:47
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the entire map from skyward sword placed above and freely transversible from the entire map of breath of the wild. also i'm 23 and i have a full head of hair and i am a respected pipelayer in my local Gorean community
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Aug 24, 2020 15:47
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also ten THOUSAND fucks to that camel. gently caress. gently caress!!!!!
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Bust Rodd posted:If you took every shrine in BotW you would have more puzzle-y “dungeon” content than MM and OoT put together. Though I think it is like OoT again, and now we know what they can pull out of the bag I personally am expecting MM levels of surprise and greatness.
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Aug 24, 2020 16:31
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Loucks posted:BOTW was the first Zelda game that I played for more than an hour. I have Link’s Awakening, but it’s kind of meh. The shrines + beasts seemed like a good balance of puzzle content, but maybe I should go play the other games to see what came before. A Link to the Past is the quintessential top-down Zelda, and its sequel, A Link Between Worlds on 3DS, is excellent as well. For the 3D Zeldas, you might enjoy Wind Waker, but the HD version is preferable, as it fixes some tedious bits of the original. It's trapped on the Wii U, though (for now), so it's understandable if you don't have access to that one. Barring that, try Ocarina of Time 3D (also on 3DS). It is to 3D Zeldas when Link to the Past is to the top-down ones, and the standard against which other 3D Zeldas are judged. If you don't like any of those, then you probably won't like classic Zelda.
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Aug 24, 2020 16:53
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RickRogers posted:Though I think it is like OoT again, and now we know what they can pull out of the bag I personally am expecting MM levels of surprise and greatness. Not sure if MM is a good bar here since it was deeply controversial and still fairly disliked to this day, I imagine it'll just be more of the same but with slightly more polish. Mario Galaxy 1 compared to Mario Galaxy 2, is what I'm expecting.
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PHIZ KALIFA posted:also ten THOUSAND fucks to that camel. gently caress. gently caress!!!!! I said no camel fucks, that's ten thousand camel fucks! Can't you count?
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Aug 24, 2020 17:12
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BotW2 should do something where turns out BotW1 is the dark world and they find a way to transport to the light world that is much more vibrant and full of life but so has our piggy friend.
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Aug 24, 2020 17:20
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The Dave posted:BotW2 should do something where turns out BotW1 is the dark world and they find a way to transport to the light world that is much more vibrant and full of life but so has our piggy friend. i want this to happen just to see the timeline purists heads explode.
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Aug 24, 2020 18:42
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Vikar Jerome posted:i want this to happen just to see the timeline purists heads explode. IT WILL ALL FIT IN ONE TIMELINE AND MAKE SENSE!
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Aug 24, 2020 19:54
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The Dave posted:BotW2 should do something where turns out BotW1 is the dark world and they find a way to transport to the light world that is much more vibrant and full of life but so has our piggy friend. Also Link is a pink bunny again.
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Aug 24, 2020 19:58
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Bust Rodd posted:If you took every shrine in BotW you would have more puzzle-y “dungeon” content than MM and OoT put together. Not like it’s gonna bother mapping this out or anything but I really don’t think this is true. The vast majority of shrines are repeated combat stuff, blessings, or just a singular room/puzzle that were always giving me a feeling or “seriously that’s it??”. I felt like, no hyperbole, maybe 20 of the 120 shrines I did were substantial in any way. This of course isn’t even touching that dungeons obviously have more appeal to them than simply being distilled down into the puzzles you do within them.
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Aug 24, 2020 20:15
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I've said it before but the shrines are fatally flawed for me in that they're all disconnected, so even if there were more with actual puzzle content I'd still prefer more traditional dungeons because there's zero build or flow to the shrines by their very nature. You can get into a dungeon as it ramps up variations on its theme, but the shrines have to be way more generalized because you can (mostly) find them in any order, at any time in the game.
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Aug 24, 2020 20:30
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I played BotW 80% handheld so I really enjoyed the bite sized shrine. Felt like I could get stuff done on my 10 minute breaks.
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Aug 24, 2020 20:39
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As someone who hates all* Zelda dungeons, I definitely preferred the bite-sized shrines. *Stone Tower was ok
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I'd like BoTW 2 to have actual boss variety, it sure was fun to have every boss just be a Ganon blob monster, Calamity Ganon was just a robot spider blob instead. Don't even get me started on that lovely Giant Pig form, that was the worst final boss I've ever seen in a Zelda game, and may well be one of the worst video game bosses in general.
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