Number_6 posted:

A million years ago (1991) when I bought a new 5.0L V8 Thunderbird, the V8 option "only" cost $1085 more than the standard 3.8L V6. Kind of a shame all the manufacturers charge so much more for V8s now. Then again, that option price just got you the motor--no upgrades to the stock drum brakes, suspension, it probably didn't even have a limited slip diff.

Powershift posted:

The v8 is still only a $1000 option in the f-150. In canada, the base model v6 f-150 is $21,104 and with a v8 is $22,154.

The difference between the cheapest v6 mustang and the cheapest v8 mustang is $23,992 to $37,064. There's nearly $30,000 between the base mustang and the boss 302.

Sunday Punch posted:

frozenphil posted:

Dumb.
I get wanting to be different and all, but that makes no sense.

frozenphil posted:

Dumb.
I get wanting to be different and all, but that makes no sense.

Q_res posted:

At least they took the time to improve the looks...

Devyl posted:

It's been all the chatter lately in the American auto news: The 2013 GT500 will make 662 horsepower and 630 ft/lbs. of torque. All while keeping the same low, low price of around $55,000. In case you forgot, that is over 100 more horsepower than the ZL1 Camaro and 24 more than the ZR-1 corvette at half the price.

quote:

At 662 HP, 2013 Ford Shelby GT500 Certified As World's Most Powerful V8! Segment-Leading Fuel Efficiency

· The 5.8-liter supercharged V8 in the 2013 Ford Shelby GT500 is SAE certified at 662 horsepower and 631 lb.-ft. of torque
· The world's most powerful production V8 is backed up by chassis, aerodynamic and braking performance that makes the GT500 an outstanding all-around sports car
· Even with 112 horsepower more than the 2012 GT500, fuel economy is increased by 1 mpg both city and highway, 5 mpg better than Chevrolet Camaro ZL1

The all-new supercharged 5.8-liter powerplant in the 2013 Ford Shelby GT500 has been officially SAE-certified as the most powerful series production V8 in the world with peak output of 662 horsepower and 631 lb.-ft. of torque. That's more power and torque than low volume sports cars costing tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars more than the GT500, which is the most fuel-efficient vehicle in its segment. In fact the 2013 GT500 is the most fuel-efficient car with over 550 horsepower in any segment available in America.

Unlike high-strung engines found in much more expensive exotic supercars, the GT500 engine generates its massive thrust throughout its operating range with 395 lb.-ft. of torque available just off idle at 1,000 rpm. More than 90 percent of the peak torque is available from 2,200 to 5,800 rpm so that no matter when you squeeze the go pedal, the GT500 will just get up and run.

The combination of the new TVS 2.3-liter supercharger, twin overhead camshafts and four valves per cylinder ensures this stallion can breathe all the way to 7,000 rpm with the peak power production coming at 6,500 rpm and holding fairly steady right to the rev limit.

"Our goal is to create outstanding all-around performance cars, not just stoplight-to-stoplight sprinters," said Jamal Hameedi, SVT chief engineer. "We've backed up this amazing powerplant with a more refined chassis tuning that helps keep the rubber on the pavement without punishing the driver's spine and six-pot Brembo brakes that dissipate speed with ease stop after stop."

The broad, flat torque curve of the GT500 engine makes it tractable and easy to drive whether trolling along in traffic or powering out of a turn on a twisting country road. With more than enough grunt to push the coupe to 200 mph and beyond, the chassis has been tuned to absorb the road imperfections that can cause instability at high speeds. The revised front fascia and splitter help manage the flow of air around and under the GT500 so that it offers 33 percent more effective aero loading at 160 mph compared to the 2011 model and feels more firmly planted.

"The engineers at Ford SVT focused on the fundamentals first with solid mechanical grip and strong brakes," added Hameedi. "On top of that platform they added advanced driver-adjustable electronic assist features including launch control, Bilstein adjustable damping, AdvanceTrac stability control and electric power-assisted steering."

Even with the most powerful production V8 in the world, the 2013 Shelby GT500 improves on the fuel efficiency of the 2012 model with an EPA-estimated 15 mpg city, 24 mpg highway and 18 mpg combined with no gas guzzler tax. That's 5 mpg better on the highway than the 2012 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 even with an extra 82 horsepower and 75 lb.-ft. being generated under the hood. With the 2013 GT500 world-class performance no longer has to mean a world-class thirst for fuel.

The 2013 Ford Shelby GT500 will be built at AutoAlliance International Plant in Flat Rock, Mich.

Powershift posted:

gently caress the ZR-1, that's 1 more horsepower, and 70 more ft/lbs of torque than a ferrari 599 GTO. at 202mph it's the same top speed, now let's see if it can match the 3.6 second 0-60

edit: press release, bolding mine:

Plinkey posted:

Now to find 55k laying around...

Dr 14 INCH DICK Md posted:

After a certain point isn't that much horsepower pretty much useless? I mean, I hate the whole "make it lighter" argument that people parrot thinking lighter is always better, but I figure with something as niche as the GT500 it could definitely be one of those situations where the higher cost of materials justifies it, unlike say a loss-leader Ranger or something.

Dr 14 INCH DICK Md posted:

I imagine it couldn't hurt, and with the kinds of cars this thing's now going after it seemed to be the ideal candidate for taking things even further. People always say that better materials/lighter weight = more money/higher cost, why not use their halo car as a test bed?

Powershift posted:

gently caress the ZR-1, that's 1 more horsepower, and 70 more ft/lbs of torque than a ferrari 599 GTO. at 202mph it's the same top speed, now let's see if it can match the 3.6 second 0-60

edit: press release, bolding mine:

Powershift posted:

gently caress the ZR-1, that's 1 more horsepower, and 70 more ft/lbs of torque than a ferrari 599 GTO. at 202mph it's the same top speed, now let's see if it can match the 3.6 second 0-60

edit: press release, bolding mine:

Fifty Three posted:

Holy poo poo.

I don't think I can be trusted with one.

Fifty Three posted:

Holy poo poo.

I don't think I can be trusted with one.

Rabble posted:

The story goes that I was test driving the competition for when I eventually would buy an FR-S, but with all the bells and whistles I just couldn't pass this up. It is literally the nicest car I've ever driven.

PT6A posted:

Don't mention that in the Toyobaru thread. They're still convinced that Mustangs can't handle worth poo poo, and why would you want a car that isn't perfectly balanced???

I, too, have played with the idea of getting a BRZ or FR-S, but when I think about it, the Mustang still puts a smile on my face every time I drive it. It's just a really excellent car, and if I'm going to take the depreciation hit on selling it, I might as well upgrade to a GT or GT500 instead of... anything else.

Rabble posted:

I did post in the toyobaru thread that I was screwed over by my dealer (which caused me to seriously consider other cars). But at some point you have to look at your bank balance and realize what you're getting for the money. This thing is fully loaded on the inside, drives me to work and back in style, and was thousands less than what I would have paid for a basic FR-S. If handling becomes that big of a priority (the 'stang drives awesome anyway) then I can revisit the scion after their mid-cycle refresh and year end model clearance.

This is the absolute nicest car I've ever driven and I don't feel like I settled for anything less than the best for the money.

Now all I need to do is grow a mullet and start putting fake chrome bits on the side...you know, for added horsepower

kronix posted:

I also have every reason to believe that the V6 Mustang will absolutely destroy the FR-S on any racetrack.

Elephanthead posted:

I am going to start working on my wife so I can buy a used GT500 4 years from now when you guys get bored with them. I want to shame my father in laws hot rods with $20K big blocks in them with my, shudder, Ford.

Bumming Your Scene posted:

Does he go on vwvortex a lot?

quote:

It doesn't really have all that horsepower, but VW's have more than advertised?

Fifty Three posted:

Are these numbers for the GT500 accurate? I assume they're not rwhp? I've got a VW buddy who's skeptical, and claims that "Ford overrates their cars while VW underrates them." I'm convinced he's full of poo poo but I can't find any sources to back it up.

help me argue in real life, internet

edit now it's an argument about wheel vs crank rating, hahaha whatever

kronix posted:

edit: Every car is the US is rated at the crank, tell him to shove it. Power loss through an automatic is slightly higher so it doesn't make sense to measure it at the wheels unless you're going to publish numbers for every drive train configuration.