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ReindeerF posted:It's not the worst idea that's been floated and actually discussed by supposedly intelligent people. If my study of natural disaster movies is any guide, nuking it is actually the correct solution for any problem. It worked in The Core and 10.5 and I don't remember any technical inaccuracies in those films.
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SubponticatePoster posted:Yeah, to put it another way, it doesn't do any good just to give poor people jobs if blacks get pulled over and arrested by cops in the car they just bought with their hard earned money for some bullshit reason. Yeah I understand that, my intransigence came from not understanding what is meant by "reparations" (which is a terrible word for it because it suggests some sort of payback for past wrongs) and because I know and have known many whites and even more natives who are just as downtrodden as you can possibly imagine. It isn't fair to expect or wish Coates' to include these people in an article about black america, but that is just another reason why "reparations" are retarded.
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tbp posted:I laugh a bit when I read posts like this, it makes me feel as if the people that say it are following the political flavor of the moment. I hope your ideals are more properly secure than that, considering the amount of vitriol and all. It's more that libertarianism is a naive and immature ideology counter to a functioning society. Some people grow up, others don't.
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tbp posted:I laugh a bit when I read posts like this, it makes me feel as if the people that say it are following the political flavor of the moment. I hope your ideals are more properly secure than that, considering the amount of vitriol and all. It's more that libertarianism are like power chords. When you suck at playing you think they make you sound cool. Once you actually know how to play you want to throttle anyone that plays one.
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Boon posted:It's more that libertarianism is a naive and immature ideology counter to a functioning society. Some people grow up, others don't.
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XyloJW posted:Please stop discussing libertarianism when we now apparently have 2 (??) threads for that. In my defense, event he libertarian thinks I made the better thread. 
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Prosopagnosiac posted:Not per se but if someone comes in subscribing to libertarianism there's usually a decent dog pile. Thanks a ton. I can never decide whether that's a good thing or not
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ReindeerF posted:It's not the worst idea that's been floated and actually discussed by supposedly intelligent people. I don't know why this seems like a terrible idea. Especially because it relies on you drilling a well next to or into the existing one, which is the best way to control a blowout when the surface (or seafloor in this case) conditions are beyond repair, just without the risk of failure.
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XyloJW posted:The rule was "don't" but you know, I think I'll allow it for containment purposes. Sorry about that. By the time I noticed someone suggest I contact you, I had already made the thread. I tried to make it something that could serve a more general purpose, but that probably didn't work. SedanChair posted:It's always going to be fun to berate libertarians. But if you think that's a good OP, you secretly know that libertarianism is bullshit, so hurry up and abandon it. We all did. I mean, my OP was a clusterfuck, and his was well written. Of course I still disagree with a lot of what he said, especially bashing ideas for the people originating them being nutty. On the other hand, I too dislike Molyneux (both stephan and peter, heh), although I don't think he's charismatic at all. Oil! posted:I don't know why this seems like a terrible idea. Especially because it relies on you drilling a well next to or into the existing one, which is the best way to control a blowout when the surface (or seafloor in this case) conditions are beyond repair, just without the risk of failure. Then, after we do that, we can follow it up with a classic response to nuclear failures, a giant cover!
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Caros posted:In my defense, event he libertarian thinks I made the better thread. Yeah he clearly has worthwhile opinions.
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absolem posted:Sorry about that. By the time I noticed someone suggest I contact you, I had already made the thread. I tried to make it something that could serve a more general purpose, but that probably didn't work. Stop being dense. Either close your thread or fix it. If you think his thread is flawed, argue it in his thread. Don't talk about this crap in this thread anymore. Or... do whatever you want. I'm not backseat moderating at all. Nope. Not me. poo poo.  Pohl fucked around with this message at 03:00 on May 23, 2014 |
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nutranurse posted:I've always wanted to ask a libertarian this (but I know few in real life because they're crazy fuckers and tend to be racist): Why would a minority want to forgo government protection of their rights Well I think its probably easier than we think: a minority can certainly be disenfranchised enough by the government as it is to believe that the government does nothing for them. You get profiled enough by the cops, and the city just lets that poo poo slide, or doesn't stick up for you.
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Shut up about him and his thread. His thread can live for as long as I think it's worth being open. Thank you all for your time.
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The official announcement that Shaun Donovan will be moving to OMB and Vice President Castro will be the new HUD Secretary will be tomorrow at 3:35pm.
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VitalSigns posted:Seriously, as a millenial veteran who got deployed to Iraq to fight the stupid war his generation voted for,
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Lyapunov Unstable posted:Were millennials even old enough to vote in 2000? Well the current definition seems to call people born 1981-1982 millenials now, but when they voted in 2000 I think they were still called/considered Generation X.
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Lyapunov Unstable posted:Were millennials even old enough to vote in 2000? Yes, I was born in 82 and 2000 was the first election I could vote in.
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Generations is a handy guide to gauging when someone is born, but if you want to understand someones beliefs you need to use the cohort system. The fact that pollsters and politicians still use generations baffles me. There is no real accurate data there. People born at the same time in different places don't even represent each other, so the generation thing is just dumb.
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That's pretty much just the very first members of our generation then, right? So few of us were old enough to vote in large numbers until 2004, apparently:
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Pohl posted:Generations is a handy guide to gauging when someone is born, but if you want to understand someones beliefs you need to use the cohort system. It's not about accurate data, it's about what the people who pay them want to know. X organization wants to know what "millenials" think, pollster duly uses the reported age of the interviewee to assign the response to the generation. Jerry Manderbilt posted:That's pretty much just the very first members of our generation then, right? So few of us were old enough to vote in large numbers until 2004, apparently: Well yeah, at most there was like 2 years of people old enough to vote in 2000 but still considered in what's Millenial now.
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Install Windows posted:It's not about accurate data, it's about what the people who pay them want to know. X organization wants to know what "millenials" think, pollster duly uses the reported age of the interviewee to assign the response to the generation. I was talking more political polling but you are exactly right.
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I'm on the border between Gen X and Millennial (thank goodness Gen Y didn't stick as a name) so I cynically retweet mashups of Happy and Welcome to the Jungle while wearing a flannel shirt tied around my waist.
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Install Windows posted:Well the current definition seems to call people born 1981-1982 millenials now, but when they voted in 2000 I think they were still called/considered Generation X. It was the first election I was eligible for, but I was an indifferent college student who was too busy with a Neon Genesis Evangelion marathon to go bother voting. Among other things that bring me shame is that we were called Generation Y at the time. Thank gently caress that got thrown into the garbage along with my EVA DVD box set. whydirt posted:I'm on the border between Gen X and Millennial (thank goodness Gen Y didn't stick as a name) so I cynically retweet mashups of Happy and Welcome to the Jungle while wearing a flannel shirt tied around my waist. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.
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Miltank posted:Yeah I understand that, my intransigence came from not understanding what is meant by "reparations" (which is a terrible word for it because it suggests some sort of payback for past wrongs) and because I know and have known many whites and even more natives who are just as downtrodden as you can possibly imagine. It isn't fair to expect or wish Coates' to include these people in an article about black america, but that is just another reason why "reparations" are retarded. maybe he picked the word for a reason
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Ballz posted:It was the first election I was eligible for, but I was an indifferent college student who was too busy with a Neon Genesis Evangelion marathon to go bother voting. Oh my god can you imagine the poo poo editorials if it stayed Generation Y? I mean the selfie generation is awful but gently caress me just thinking about those awful Y puns.
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Lessail posted:maybe he picked the word for a reason I think its stupid and dumb
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Miltank posted:I think its stupid and dumb I think the reactions from (not reading) the piece are painting a pretty good picture myself
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:That's pretty much just the very first members of our generation then, right? So few of us were old enough to vote in large numbers until 2004, apparently: Man, I'm so loving glad I was super lazy until after I turned socialist. Had I actually been motivated to vote I would have pulled the lever for republicans 4 times before I wizened the hell up.
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A Winner is Jew posted:Man, I'm so loving glad I was super lazy until after I turned socialist. Had I actually been motivated to vote I would have pulled the lever for republicans 4 times before I wizened the hell up.
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greatn posted:Isn't glorious leader Lowtax a Dennis Miller style Republican? If he is, then he's too chickenshit to be open about it.
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So remember how a few days back, a Snowden story said that the US was recording all calls in and out of two countries, the Bahamas and "X", which the reporters wouldn't name for security reasons? Wikileaks doesn't give a hot gay gently caress about your security, it's Afghanistan.
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Khisanth Magus posted:Does anyone happen to have the handy dandy chart that shows how much of an impact that SNAP has on the economy, the for every $1 given out it generates like $1.5 or whatever? According to the USDA the multiplier is 1.79. That is one of the highest multipliers of any US government program.
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Joementum posted:So the GOP candidates for Governor of Colorado (all men) had a debate about "Women and Colorado’s Future" where they'd be asked questions by women. The moderator asks the women to join the candidates on stage and.... cue the music from The Dating Game! The part that's really emblematic of the sexism is that he says, "I think it would be more [i]ornamental[i] if the ladies would be up here on stage with us..." What a horrible slime ball. I also can't believe they took the bait on the War on Women thing. He's working off the wrong script. He's supposed to loudly continue proclaiming there's nothing wrong with the GOP's outreach to women and minorities. If they try to change their process by holding a debate like this then they're just accepting the liberal framing of the debate that they have a problem. State politics is insane. It's like the JV league, and so much more entertaining than national politics. Yoga's letting the devil enter your soul!
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I was listening to some music about how unions are cool (LF as gently caress but that is a true sentence about my life today) and it included some covers of actual old union songs from the early 20th century. There was a lot of language about slave work and not wanting to be treated like slaves; having read TNC's essay I was able to connect the dots and realize that in the context of tremendous racism from a large part of white organized labor in the US, "slave work" is a massive dog whistle. This has been my daily insight and I have posted it in this thread.
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baw posted:If he is, then he's too chickenshit to be open about it.
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Swan Oat posted:I was listening to some music about how unions are cool (LF as gently caress but that is a true sentence about my life today) and it included some covers of actual old union songs from the early 20th century. There was a lot of language about slave work and not wanting to be treated like slaves; having read TNC's essay I was able to connect the dots and realize that in the context of tremendous racism from a large part of white organized labor in the US, "slave work" is a massive dog whistle. This has been my daily insight and I have posted it in this thread. Deep in the gloom of the fire-filled pit Where the Dodge rolls down the line, We challenge the doom while dying in poo poo While strangled by a swine.... For hours and years with sweated tears. Trying to break our chain.... But we broke bur backs and died in packs To find our manhood slain.... But now we stand for DRUM's at hand To lead our freedom fight, And now till then we'll unite like men For now we know our might.... And drat the plantations and the whole Dodge nation.... For DRUM has dried our tears.... And now as we die we have a different cry For now we hold our spears! UAW is scum.... OUR THING IS DRUM!!! This is ok, it was written by the Dodge Radical Union Movement. Also, you'll even find Frederick Douglass making allegories comparing labor struggles to slavery. It's not always a dog whistle for "we don't want to be reduced to blacks."
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Swan Oat posted:I was listening to some music about how unions are cool (LF as gently caress but that is a true sentence about my life today) and it included some covers of actual old union songs from the early 20th century. There was a lot of language about slave work and not wanting to be treated like slaves; having read TNC's essay I was able to connect the dots and realize that in the context of tremendous racism from a large part of white organized labor in the US, "slave work" is a massive dog whistle. This has been my daily insight and I have posted it in this thread. I always thought this was well done: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwbzxemJZIc
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JT Jag posted:Wasn't he pretty openly a libertarian type back in 2007 or so when a lot of the forums shared that view? Then Obamarama happened, a lot of the libertarians got banned and LF closed. Even if that's the case, it doesn't really matter. Lowtax's political opinions could have changed over the last 7 years, I know mine have. What I've seen is a lot of very vocal libertarians, after realizing that the financial meltdown was directly caused by massive amounts of deregulation, realized that many of their opinions were actually quite poo poo.
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