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Hey Bill, we'll give you that 4th round pick we got for Dwayne Allen for Butler.
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I can see both sides of this Butler thing honestly. He absolutely deserves that money and I don't blame him for chasing it, but you don't get to be the New England Patriots by giving guys paydays just because they deserve it. Hope he stays, but if he does there's gonna be a ton of resentment there which might be trouble.
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Mar 13, 2017 16:30
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If he stays he will be super motivated so he can cash out when he's unrestricted.
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Mar 13, 2017 16:33
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:New England is just taking advantage of a market that is undervaluing a particular commodity: short, white dudes. Why are the Money Ballers on the Browns not picking up on this market inefficiency?
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Mar 13, 2017 16:35
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So 7m over 4y would be 28m, but we have to take into account that he was under contract for the 2016 season for <1m and RFA tendered for 4m for the 2017 season, which means the "new money" of the contract would be 23m over two years, which is not significantly lower than the Gilmore contract in terms of per year, while giving Butler safety from injury etc. Expecting the Patriots to treat you like an URFA is just silly if you are already under contract.
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Mar 13, 2017 16:36
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I'm guessing the threat of going to the Jets didn't significantly move the needle on the Pats offer to Hightower. Now, he's trying the Steelers. https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/841304028319494144
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Diva Cupcake posted:I'm guessing the threat of going to the Jets didn't significantly move the needle on the Pats offer to Hightower. Now, he's trying the Steelers. Yeah, like the Steelers are going to cash out for another teams linebacker. 
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Mar 13, 2017 16:42
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:New England is just taking advantage of a market that is undervaluing a particular commodity: short, white dudes. I do actually unironically believe that Belichick targets white skill position players because he thinks the rest of the NFL reverse -racisms them. Based on his results, I'd say he's largely correct.
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Mar 13, 2017 16:59
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:They made that announcement before the Texans dumped Brock. I think there's probably some hope in Dallas that they can squeeze a pick out of the Texans or Broncos now. Peter King (I know, I know) reports that Houston and Denver have said they're not trading for Romo, and the only way he'll play for their respective teams will be if he's released by Dallas. It's a game of chicken, basically.
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Mar 13, 2017 17:02
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No Butt Stuff posted:I wouldn't be surprised if he gets cut and becomes the Chiefs number 2 again.
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fsif posted:I do actually unironically believe that Belichick targets white skill position players because he thinks the rest of the NFL reverse -racisms them. Based on his results, I'd say he's largely correct. hooo boy do I have a website for you!
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Diva Cupcake posted:I'm guessing the threat of going to the Jets didn't significantly move the needle on the Pats offer to Hightower. Now, he's trying the Steelers. this will never happen in a million years but goddamn if it did 
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Mar 13, 2017 17:08
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sean10mm posted:Everyone seems to think the Pats are finally selling out to win now, in which case you keep Butler and roll out one of the best CB duos in football for 1 year if nobody gives you a 1st rounder. I do not think that moving up in the third round is worth giving up a significantly underpaid player for one year even under a long-term strategy plan. 2nd, yes, a 3rd, no. A third would only make sense for a rebuilding team that believes it has no chance to compete this year and doesn't even really want to.
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swickles posted:hooo boy do I have a website for you! Is it the Real time with Bomani Jones? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eh9IRJ6FHF0 Kind of amazing how many of the guys from a 5 year old video ended up on the Patriots.
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Mar 13, 2017 17:10
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Kalli posted:Is it the Real time with Bomani Jones? Caste Sports mission statement is the the NFL is racist and whits would dominate but they just aren't given a shot.
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Mar 13, 2017 17:18
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I think it's funny that both O'Brien and Belichick have used being traded to Cleveland as an example of what'll happen to you if you get out of line
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Mar 13, 2017 17:20
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swickles posted:Caste Sports mission statement is the the NFL is racist and whits would dominate but they just aren't given a shot. I'm not Caste footballing, I just think there may be unconscious biases in NFL front offices that—in this one particular, very specific incident—may work slightly against undersized white players. They're still not top 20 players at their positions or anything, but Edelman was a 7th round pick and Chris Hogan languished on practice squads for way too long. They were definitely undervalued before Belichick.
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swickles posted:Caste Sports mission statement is the the NFL is racist and whits would dominate but they just aren't given a shot. Caste Sports is dumb. But there's definitely something going on in youth sports that leads to typecasting of positions further down the road for both whites and blacks. Intruder posted:I think it's funny that both O'Brien and Belichick have used being traded to Cleveland as an example of what'll happen to you if you get out of line Once upon a time Green Bay used to fulfill that role.
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fsif posted:I'm not Caste footballing, I just think there may be unconscious biases in NFL front offices that—in this one particular, very specific incident—may work slightly against undersized white players. They're still not top 20 players at their positions or anything, but Edelman was a 7th round pick and Chris Hogan languished on practice squads for way too long. They were definitely undervalued before Belichick. Same for EJ Manuel imo. Hth. Kthxbye.
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fsif posted:I'm not Caste footballing, I just think there may be unconscious biases in NFL front offices that—in this one particular, very specific incident—may work slightly against undersized white players. They're still not top 20 players at their positions or anything, but Edelman was a 7th round pick and Chris Hogan languished on practice squads for way too long. They were definitely undervalued before Belichick. You should probably google Chris Hogan before describing him as undersized. Hogan is a very technical receiver, he runs very precise routes. He needs to be in a system like New Englands, or have a very accurate QB to be successful.
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Kalli posted:
This would require not being blocked by him
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swickles posted:You should probably google Chris Hogan before describing him as undersized. Hogan is a very technical receiver, he runs very precise routes. He needs to be in a system like New Englands, or have a very accurate QB to be successful. Yeah, Hogan actually has size and speed, it's why Brady's deep ball efficiency blew up out of nowhere when Hogan showed up. Dude gets open deep with regularity.
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Mar 13, 2017 17:35
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Chris Hogan is 6'1" 220, he's not an Edelman-sized dude and definitely couldn't be a "deep threat" if he was
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Hmm if I had to pick a dude to compare Chris Hogan to who would I pick.. hmm... of course! Eric Decker!
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swickles posted:You should probably google Chris Hogan before describing him as undersized. Hogan is a very technical receiver, he runs very precise routes. He needs to be in a system like New Englands, or have a very accurate QB to be successful. I think there are clear biases in NFL front offices, and a small part of that is white wide receivers are generally under-thought of. Now let me tell you some thoughts on the history of how black quarterbacks have been treated. I mean, for the easiest example, look at these two tweets 15 loving minutes apart by 30 year GM: 
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:Caste Sports is dumb. But there's definitely something going on in youth sports that leads to typecasting of positions further down the road for both whites and blacks. I think this is a thing, but slightly different, because at least when it comes to the NFL, there's a healthy chunk of white WR's in college, whereas due to your thing, there's still next to no white cornerbacks in the major conferences right?
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Mar 13, 2017 17:41
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Hogan had about the same number of targets and catches in 2016 as in 2015. The major difference is his ypa and that could be explained by he had Tom Brady throwing to him instead of Tyrod (and EJ Manuel for one game)
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swickles posted:You should probably google Chris Hogan before describing him as undersized. Hogan is a very technical receiver, he runs very precise routes. He needs to be in a system like New Englands, or have a very accurate QB to be successful. Okay, my bad, he's not undersized, but if anything that further buttresses my point. He is much more talented than the first five years of his NFL career would lead you to believe, and it seems reasonable that part of the reason so many coaches and front offices slept on him as long as they did is because he didn't look the part, in their eyes. I mean, it's either Bill is exploiting this cognitive bias, or he is supremely talented at finding undervalued receivers of all races and consciously chooses to only sign the white ones. I decided to be charitable!
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Hogan caught 38 balls for 680 yards and four touchdowns, let's not pretend he lit the world on fire
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Whoa whoa whoa, we have undervalued black receivers too, it's just that they're mostly RBs
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Intruder posted:Hogan caught 38 balls for 680 yards and four touchdowns, let's not pretend he lit the world on fire Just Stephon Gilmore  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R317Rdhw2Gg Wait, poo poo. And yeah, Chris Hogan had a nice season, the biggest shock of which being that he was a solid deep threat, which the Patriots haven't utilized since Moss.
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Intruder posted:Hogan caught 38 balls for 680 yards and four touchdowns, let's not pretend he lit the world on fire He was pretty good in the AFC Championship game. I'm not saying Chris Hogan is a Pro Bowler, I'm just saying he was undervalued in Miami and Buffalo.
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fsif posted:Okay, my bad, he's not undersized, but if anything that further buttresses my point. He is much more talented than the first five years of his NFL career would lead you to believe, and it seems reasonable that part of the reason so many coaches and front offices slept on him as long as they did is because he didn't look the part, in their eyes. I will say he just tries to find bargains. Which is how he ended up getting good seasons out of Brandon Lloyd and LaFell, and failed out of Ochocinco and Reggie Wayne.
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fsif posted:I mean, it's either Bill is exploiting this cognitive bias, or he is supremely talented at finding undervalued receivers of all races and consciously chooses to only sign the white ones. I decided to be charitable! there was that time before the 2007 season that Bill found a pretty good black receiver that cost only a fourth-round pick 
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FizFashizzle posted:Philly Brown to Buffalo. Grimy would be more suitable
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Intruder posted:Hogan caught 38 balls for 680 yards and four touchdowns, let's not pretend he lit the world on fire He was real good in the playoffs though
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Just a reminder that Christian McCaffrey literally complained about being typecast as an undersized white running back
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Christian McCaffrey will go in the top 10 because a rich old white owner will say he reminds him of his son or something dog whistley
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