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negromancer
Aug 20, 2014

by FactsAreUseless

Casimir Radon posted:

I can't believe candy cigarettes were still acceptable in the mid-90s. My cousins had those, plus little flashlights that looked like Bic lighters. Lo and behold they both grew up to be smokers. Last time I checked they still sell the shredded beef jerky that looks like chewing tobacco.

They've sold bubble gum that was supposed to look like chewing tobacco for my entire life called "Major League Chew". Even came in the same foil packs as chewing tobacco.

Edit: fuckin beaten you sons of bitches.

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5436
Jul 11, 2003

by astral
Never forget

ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July

Roland Jones posted:

Unfortunately we also have a proposition this year to speed up the death penalty, and unlike the one to ban it this one looks like it will actually pass. It sucks.

A recent Field Poll that found 62 narrowly failing found that 66 has lost serious ground so there's a small silver lining :unsmith:

Still gonna run the porn industry out of the state though. :smith:

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

Guy Goodbody posted:

There was a moment in a recent NPR Politics Podcast where one of the presenters said, speaking of the election, "this needs to be over" and sounded so tired and disgusted

No-one really wants to do this last half-month. I doubt anyone even wants to do this last debate. Viewership of the second one was way down, I'm guessing this one will be comparatively in the toilet after the second.

I mean I obviously hope Hillary dumpsters him completely and we get an epic meltdown that destroys his campaign further, but I'm actually not sure how much more damage there is for her to do.

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

Gyges posted:

Guess you never heard of Big League Chew.



big league chew owns gently caress you

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Gyges posted:

Guess you never heard of Big League Chew.


Allegedly this was pitched (Ha!) to Wrigley by a baseball player as a safe alternative to chewing tobacco.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

Mel Mudkiper posted:

big league chew owns gently caress you

We've found another reptilian, boys.

No human would hold this opinion.

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

Night10194 posted:

We've found another reptilian, boys.

No human would hold this opinion.

loving doing little league playing outfield batting .000 and eating an entire bag of big league chew in an hour

leave the memories alone

Quorum
Sep 24, 2014

REMIND ME AGAIN HOW THE LITTLE HORSE-SHAPED ONES MOVE?

Night10194 posted:

No-one really wants to do this last half-month. I doubt anyone even wants to do this last debate. Viewership of the second one was way down, I'm guessing this one will be comparatively in the toilet after the second.

I mean I obviously hope Hillary dumpsters him completely and we get an epic meltdown that destroys his campaign further, but I'm actually not sure how much more damage there is for her to do.

Yeah, I've been feeling the fatigue, after the emotional heights of Waterpussy there's just nowhere to go from here but down into the exhausting depths of an adrenaline crash. I'm done talking to my loving idiot Bernout Stein-voting Rothschild-hating brother about politics, I'm done trying to reassure my mother that everything is going to be okay (witnessed her absentee vote in Virginia today though, 90% sure she voted for Clinton, she asked me if she could doodle little mean faces next to Trump's name without spoiling the ballot), I can't wait until it's all over and there's nothing left to be done but drink the Republican tears and sit inside for a few days while the national guard suppresses the War of Factual Aggression.

SomeMathGuy
Oct 4, 2014

The people were ASTONISHED at his doctrine.

Casimir Radon posted:

Allegedly this was pitched (Ha!) to Wrigley by a baseball player as a safe alternative to chewing tobacco.

That's actually true, but because of the way it's marketed and the declining prevalence of chewing tobacco in baseball these days it's probably acting more like indirect marketing.

Sensible Thursday
Jul 28, 2007

Quorum posted:

I'm done trying to reassure my mother that everything is going to be okay (witnessed her absentee vote in Virginia today though, 90% sure she voted for Clinton, she asked me if she could doodle little mean faces next to Trump's name without spoiling the ballot)

...can she?

bowser
Apr 7, 2007

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07B2ZdODvbU

This is from way back in July when Hillary had her Hamilton fundraiser thing. But the video is posted on one of the actors from the show's personal youtube page and has <2k views so I don't think it's been seen by too many people.

Check out the dramatic change between her giving her speech in her usual tone which can be a bit cold/robotic and then at 5 minutes when she goes to talk to the cast. Even when she goes on talk shows or SNL or whatever she seems a bit scripted/reserved, but here she just seems like an excited nana at her grandchild's school play :3:.

Don't get me wrong, I get why she usually hides/restrains that sort of warmth and emotion (her Humans of New York post explains it), but it's nice to see it. I totally believe all the stories of her true personality shining in one-on-one conversations.

Roland Jones
Aug 18, 2011

by Nyc_Tattoo

ComradeCosmobot posted:

A recent Field Poll that found 62 narrowly failing found that 66 has lost serious ground so there's a small silver lining :unsmith:

Still gonna run the porn industry out of the state though. :smith:

Huh. Well, that's good, at least.

Though yeah, 60 being on its way to passing is really bad, and I hate how the ballot description hides so much of what it actually does. Not only is it a morally abhorrent law pretending to be one that's good for women, it's also just really dumb; rear end in a top hat who wrote it is going to be made a taxpayer-funded public servant who monitors all the state's porn and who can't be fired. Like, what the hell? How is that even allowed?

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

True. At this point all there is left to do is just keep an eye on news sites and see what crazy poo poo Trump says next.

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.
I think there are even odds that Trump brings up the National Enquierer article at the debate. That's amazing.

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

Agnosticnixie posted:

Or you know, primary the fucker. Also this is generally a terrible argument that only feeds a relatively complacent, liberal view of how things progress. Without angry people, the assimilationists would have gotten nowhere.

It was in no way the entire strategy of the gay rights movement, it was a strategy used by some of it. You might as well claim that outings were a deliberate strategy of the whole gay rights movement because some people adopted it as one.

Okay buddy you find me a human being that has never been wrong about anything ever and primary all the flip-floppers.

And I am not arguing against being angry at bigots and at oppression. That's valuable. Continuing to be angry at people who changed their minds and now agree with you, now that's just dumb and counterproductive.

I am glad Robert Byrd went from KKK Grand Wizard to a 100% rating from the NAACP. How does continuing to hate him advance the cause of civil rights. Why should we have primaried him with some no-name with no recognition who will go on to get destroyed by Republicans in the general. There is a reason Republicans are always concern trolling about some Democrat's decades-old opinions and it's not because Republicans are trying to advance the cause of civil rights!

Lamb Chowder
Oct 5, 2016

by WE B Boo-ourgeois
Is it illegal to do private exit polling unaffiliated with any organization? I'm dying to know what my Trump supporting town's diet predominantly looks like.

Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK

Mel Mudkiper posted:

loving doing little league playing outfield batting .000 and eating an entire bag of big league chew in an hour

leave the memories alone

Poor kid being made to play baseball. :sad:

Actually I don't even remember if it was any good or if it was like Fruit Stripe gum, where flavor length was measured in nanoseconds. I did almost buy a pack of Big League Chew a couple months ago when I saw it at the check out for nostalgia though. Then I remembered the last time I indulged my childhood gum nostalgia and got bubble tape. Put the whole thing in my mouth to see if I could chew six feet of bubble gum, and almost choked after my jaw got tired of chewing.

Pop Rocks are still good though.

Goatman Sacks
Apr 4, 2011

by FactsAreUseless

XyrlocShammypants posted:

drat Steve Schmidt is almost crying on MSNBC right now over Trump making GBS threads on Democracy.

I'm fairly certain in 2008 directly after the first O'Keefe videos came out, McCain (whose campaign he ran) said something along the lines of "we may be on the verge of the biggest voter fraud in history" so gently caress his crocodile tears.

ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July

Roland Jones posted:

Huh. Well, that's good, at least.

Though yeah, 60 being on its way to passing is really bad, and I hate how the ballot description hides so much of what it actually does. Not only is it a morally abhorrent law pretending to be one that's good for women, it's also just really dumb; rear end in a top hat who wrote it is going to be made a taxpayer-funded public servant who monitors all the state's porn and who can't be fired. Like, what the hell? How is that even allowed?

To be fair to the proponent, it doesn't say that. It says that the proponent has the right to act on the behalf of the state if the state chooses to not defend a lawsuit against Prop 60. It's basically a way to avoid getting the prop knocked down due to standing, like Prop 8 was in Hollingsworth v. Perry.

Rampant Dwickery
Nov 12, 2011

Comfy and cozy.

Quorum posted:

Yeah, I've been feeling the fatigue, after the emotional heights of Waterpussy there's just nowhere to go from here but down into the exhausting depths of an adrenaline crash. I'm done talking to my loving idiot Bernout Stein-voting Rothschild-hating brother about politics, I'm done trying to reassure my mother that everything is going to be okay (witnessed her absentee vote in Virginia today though, 90% sure she voted for Clinton, she asked me if she could doodle little mean faces next to Biff Tannen's name without spoiling the ballot), I can't wait until it's all over and there's nothing left to be done but drink the Republican tears and sit inside for a few days while the national guard suppresses the War of Factual Aggression.

John Oliver, as usual, puts it best.

Roland Jones
Aug 18, 2011

by Nyc_Tattoo

ComradeCosmobot posted:

To be fair to the proponent, it doesn't say that. It says that the proponent has the right to act on the behalf of the state if the state chooses to not defend a lawsuit against Prop 60. It's basically a way to avoid getting the prop knocked down due to standing, like Prop 8 was in Hollingsworth v. Perry.

Oh, is that so? It was explained incorrectly to me then by the voting guide I checked; that issue was secondary to me anyway compared to the horrible stalking-enabling the prop does, which disqualified it immediately regardless of anything else about it. But that's also really dumb and bad and seems like it shouldn't be legal.

Edit: Man, now I'm annoyed with that voting guide. Thankfully it wasn't the only thing I referenced and all, but still. Also I'm kind of baffled that almost none of the progressive voting guides had an opinion on Prop 60, despite it being so bad that the Republicans, Democrats, and even Libertarians are all officially against it; even the League of Women Voters didn't give one either way on it.

Roland Jones fucked around with this message at 05:22 on Oct 19, 2016

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

Gyges posted:

Poor kid being made to play baseball. :sad:

There is a great legacy of young Mel Mudkiper being pushed into sports in the hope something would stick

SubponticatePoster
Aug 9, 2004

Every day takes figurin' out all over again how to fuckin' live.
Slippery Tilde

Florida Ghost posted:

gently caress Rick Scott with a hammer.
This is incredibly cruel. What did hammers do to deserve that?

Runaktla
Feb 21, 2007

by Hand Knit
So somebody here posted the German version of the daily show for last week, with English subtitles.

I decided to look at the week before last i.e. 10/7/16. It has some funny segments:

Starting around 6:30 (you can pretty much start there) a Muslim looking guest talks about giving hugs and whatnot to anti-immigrant Germans.
Then they have a segment where they send a guy posing as a "Russia Today - Kids" reporter into an anti-immigrant "Unity" day to hear them say dumb German "this is ARE country" type stuff.
Then they go into Putin/Obama and Russian internet troll factories.

The rest is less relevant to us/understandable, start at 6:30.

https://youtu.be/_v0T0b9qSEA

ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July

Roland Jones posted:

Oh, is that so? It was explained incorrectly to me then by the voting guide I checked; that issue was secondary to me anyway compared to the horrible stalking-enabling the prop does, which disqualified it to me immediately regardless of anything else about it. But that's also really dumb and bad and seems like it shouldn't be legal.

I know what you're referring to, but if you look closely, the claim is only made in the argument against and rebuttal to the argument for, and not the summary or legislative analysis. Furthermore, said claims are very artfully worded:

  • "Prop. 60 gives ANY resident of California the ability to sue adult film performers who produce adult films." (emphasis mine)
  • "Prop. 60 could force adult film performers to publicly disclose private information, including their legal names and HOME ADDRESSES." (emphasis from the voter's guide; left unsaid: "if they also produce adult films")
  • "The named proponent is authorized to be "sworn in" as an agent of the state; only the Legislature can VOTE him out of the position." (left unsaid: what, exactly, the proponent is doing as an agent of the state; the positioning of this point below the claim that state employees review the films is clearly intended to make you come to the conclusion that you did.)

All of those claims were so extraordinary that I read through the legal text later on to find evidence, and it wasn't nearly as bad as the claims made it out to be.

It's a lovely moralistic proposition in the guise of a women's health initiative, to be sure, but the opponents' points in the voter's guide are actually rather deceptive in their own right.

Instant Sunrise
Apr 12, 2007


The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.
most adult film performers work as a 1 person production company and would be required to disclose because of that.

ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July

Instant Sunrise posted:

most adult film performers work as a 1 person production company and would be required to disclose because of that.

Is this actually true? I am admittedly skeptical and would appreciate some industry statistics (not that I expect there are many).

I assumed that it was more like the standard film industry where the performers rarely produce media themselves (excluding, of course, the obvious exception of amateurs, which is why I didn't highlight the "married couples" point)

Lamb Chowder
Oct 5, 2016

by WE B Boo-ourgeois
I wonder more every year if the Louisiana purchase was really worth it. Yeah blah blah transcontinental railroad. The American Econ history text I read says that it's not all it was cracked up to be.



Source: Scholastic kids 2016 election poll

Artificer
Apr 8, 2010

You're going to try ponies and you're. Going. To. LOVE. ME!!

ComradeCosmobot posted:

I know what you're referring to, but if you look closely, the claim is only made in the argument against and rebuttal to the argument for, and not the summary or legislative analysis. Furthermore, said claims are very artfully worded:

  • "Prop. 60 gives ANY resident of California the ability to sue adult film performers who produce adult films." (emphasis mine)
  • "Prop. 60 could force adult film performers to publicly disclose private information, including their legal names and HOME ADDRESSES." (emphasis from the voter's guide; left unsaid: "if they also produce adult films")
  • "The named proponent is authorized to be "sworn in" as an agent of the state; only the Legislature can VOTE him out of the position." (left unsaid: what, exactly, the proponent is doing as an agent of the state; the positioning of this point below the claim that state employees review the films is clearly intended to make you come to the conclusion that you did.)

All of those claims were so extraordinary that I read through the legal text later on to find evidence, and it wasn't nearly as bad as the claims made it out to be.

It's a lovely moralistic proposition in the guise of a women's health initiative, to be sure, but the opponents' points in the voter's guide are actually rather deceptive in their own right.

How the gently caress is it polling so well? How can anyone look at it and go "Yup sounds good to me nothing could possibly go wrong!"

Roland Jones
Aug 18, 2011

by Nyc_Tattoo

ComradeCosmobot posted:

I know what you're referring to, but if you look closely, the claim is only made in the argument against and rebuttal to the argument for, and not the summary or legislative analysis. Furthermore, said claims are very artfully worded:

  • "Prop. 60 gives ANY resident of California the ability to sue adult film performers who produce adult films." (emphasis mine)
  • "Prop. 60 could force adult film performers to publicly disclose private information, including their legal names and HOME ADDRESSES." (emphasis from the voter's guide; left unsaid: "if they also produce adult films")
  • "The named proponent is authorized to be "sworn in" as an agent of the state; only the Legislature can VOTE him out of the position." (left unsaid: what, exactly, the proponent is doing as an agent of the state; the positioning of this point below the claim that state employees review the films is clearly intended to make you come to the conclusion that you did.)

All of those claims were so extraordinary that I read through the legal text later on to find evidence, and it wasn't nearly as bad as the claims made it out to be.

It's a lovely moralistic proposition in the guise of a women's health initiative, to be sure, but the opponents' points in the voter's guide are actually rather deceptive in their own right.

Actually, that's not the one I checked; I was using the California Progressive Voter Guide, among others, and it say, "Prop 60 would require adult film performers to wear condoms and use taxpayer dollars to appoint Michael Weinstein, the author of the ballot initiative, as a state employee. His job would be to monitor all adult film production in CA. The initiative may also make public the identities and addresses of adult performers, who often use screen names for privacy reasons."

It is also "Neutral" on this issue, somehow. Possibly because it's an aggregate guide made up of the opinions of multiple other progressive groups (most of which agree on the issues; only one prop doesn't have unanimous non-neutral views) and not enough opposed it, but still.

Really, the bill's so bad they shouldn't need to lie about it. What's there is already awful.

Lamb Chowder posted:

I wonder more every year if the Louisiana purchase was really worth it. Yeah blah blah transcontinental railroad. The American Econ history text I read says that it's not all it was cracked up to be.



Source: Scholastic kids 2016 election poll

This is great, though. Hopefully we get something like that in the real election too. Edit: Plugged this in and Trump only gets 99 EVs, to Hillary's 436. It's a shame we probably won't get numbers this good.

Roland Jones fucked around with this message at 05:34 on Oct 19, 2016

ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July

Artificer posted:

How the gently caress is it polling so well? How can anyone look at it and go "Yup sounds good to me nothing could possibly go wrong!"

It's a perfect storm that appeals to both the left and right.

The people who hate porn will vote for it because it hurts the porn industry and will force it to de facto close (also, it helps those poor adult film performers who are being taken advantage of by those most unscrupulous and immoral producers!)

Those who like porn will vote for it because reducing STDs and promoting safe sex is in line with their world view with respect to reproductive rights and a safe, healthy working environment.

berserker
Aug 17, 2003

My love for you
is ticking clock

Lamb Chowder posted:

I wonder more every year if the Louisiana purchase was really worth it. Yeah blah blah transcontinental railroad. The American Econ history text I read says that it's not all it was cracked up to be.



Source: Scholastic kids 2016 election poll

Woah wtf, who did the kids in DC vote for?? I thought DC was the absolute most pro-Clinton part of the country.

Elephant Ambush
Nov 13, 2012

...We sholde spenden more time together. What sayest thou?
Nap Ghost

Mel Mudkiper posted:

big league chew owns gently caress you

I know right

Artificer
Apr 8, 2010

You're going to try ponies and you're. Going. To. LOVE. ME!!

ComradeCosmobot posted:

It's a perfect storm that appeals to both the left and right.

The people who hate porn will vote for it because it hurts the porn industry and will force it to de facto close (also, it helps those poor adult film performers who are being taken advantage of by those most unscrupulous and immoral producers!)

Those who like porn will vote for it because reducing STDs and promoting safe sex is in line with their world view with respect to reproductive rights and a safe, healthy working environment.

Oh so no one is really reading what the bill entails huh.

ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July

berserker posted:

Woah wtf, who did the kids in DC vote for?? I thought DC was the absolute most pro-Clinton part of the country.

Obama's third term, duh.

Elephant Ambush
Nov 13, 2012

...We sholde spenden more time together. What sayest thou?
Nap Ghost

Night10194 posted:

We've found another reptilian, boys.

No human would hold this opinion.

gently caress you too

ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July

Artificer posted:

Oh so no one is really reading what the bill entails huh.

Yup. Just like every other proposition.

goatsestretchgoals
Jun 4, 2011

Roland Jones posted:

Prop 60 would ... use taxpayer dollars to appoint Michael Weinstein, the author of the ballot initiative, as a state employee. His job would be to monitor all adult film production in CA.

pro

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Instant Sunrise
Apr 12, 2007


The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.
didn't los angeles county have something similar on the ballot in 2010?

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