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dsriggs posted:Alvarez with a VINTAGE rant on the booking on the B&V show Alvarez is often a big dumb baby but every word there was right
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GoutPatrol posted:From the 1995 award issue: Dave's analysis as time went on was significantly different than at the time. And just look at those numbers. Hogan did not lift the product's overall popularity, but his shows did much, much better until the product fell off a cliff. I was very anti-Hogan until I looked closely at the much maligned pre nWo 96 numbers and the guy was still a difference maker. They rode the Hogan train for too long, but it was the right short term move. Starrcade 95 did about half the buys of 94 with an expanding PPV universe. Uncensored 96 with that travesty of a main event did more buys than any PPV in WCW history to that point. Hogan didn't turn the house shows around, that was Flair/Savage and then the nWo. He didn't really turn ratings around, but he was a huge difference maker on PPV. No question, and justified his contract. Dave will say the same thing, he's said many times that Hogan was worth it until 99. I was in the other camp until I looked at the 96 numbers.
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Soothing Vapors posted:Alvarez is often a big dumb baby but every word there was right He does something like this once a year where he gets everything completely right, and then the next show with Dave he's saying something dumb again.
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dsriggs posted:Alvarez with a VINTAGE rant on the booking on the B&V show Thanks for posting this. I usually skip the Bryan and Vinny shows but I didn't today because I saw your post and decided to listen in today.
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Bryan melting down because his fantasy booking fell apart is my favorite goddamn thing today.
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ChuckDeNomolos posted:Bryan melting down because his fantasy booking fell apart is my favorite goddamn thing today. Hos fantasy booking being unequivocally better because it made actual sense does not seem to be a strike against him. WWE making illogical swerve decisions are getting Russo-esque.
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buy my book, Justified: The Story Of Reasonable Meltdowns Over Wrestling. ISBN-10: 1540442810, ISBN-13: 978-1540442819
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ChuckDeNomolos posted:Bryan melting down because his fantasy booking fell apart is my favorite goddamn thing today. Oh man, if he gets it in his head that WWE should do one particular thing and they don't do it he is inconsolable.
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Cavauro posted:buy my book, Justified: The Story Of Reasonable Meltdowns Over Wrestling. ISBN-10: 1540442810, ISBN-13: 978-1540442819 If Bryan turned his meltdowns and fantasy booking into a book I'd buy it.
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MassRafTer posted:If Bryan turned his meltdowns and fantasy booking into a book I'd buy it. The best audio book ever.
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GoutPatrol posted:From the 1995 award issue: 1. Their royalties from the SNES and Game Boy games, which came out in November 1994 but were barely on anyone's radar (I don't even recall them being promoted on WCW programming)? or 2. A signing bonus and/or advance on the THQ deal (I have no idea when it was signed, but the first game came out in February 1997)? or 3. Both?
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MassRafTer posted:Dave's analysis as time went on was significantly different than at the time. And just look at those numbers. Hogan did not lift the product's overall popularity, but his shows did much, much better until the product fell off a cliff. I was very anti-Hogan until I looked closely at the much maligned pre nWo 96 numbers and the guy was still a difference maker. They rode the Hogan train for too long, but it was the right short term move. And Hogan's drawing power is clearly identifiable through 98 as well? Because I find it really hard to fathom it surviving Starcade 97 intact. How do you isolate Hogan's influence from Goldberg and all the celebrities that WCW was involved with that year? Even DDP was a needle mover right, so surely him getting hot and reaching Main Event status was a factor as well in 98 being the year WCW took over the world. Considering Hogan's little game of fighting Goldberg on free TV with like two weeks notice instead of working a PPV program with him, how does one measure Hogan bekng "worth it" in 98?
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Sanguinia posted:And Hogan's drawing power is clearly identifiable through 98 as well? Because I find it really hard to fathom it surviving Starcade 97 intact. How do you isolate Hogan's influence from Goldberg and all the celebrities that WCW was involved with that year? Even DDP was a needle mover right, so surely him getting hot and reaching Main Event status was a factor as well in 98 being the year WCW took over the world. Considering Hogan's little game of fighting Goldberg on free TV with like two weeks notice instead of working a PPV program with him, how does one measure Hogan bekng "worth it" in 98? That match drew a big gate and a huge rating on that two weeks notice.
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sportsgenius86 posted:That match drew a big gate and a huge rating on that two weeks notice. Yeah, but didn't they famously draw three gates back to back that were on that same scale without Hogan on the other two? Or am I confusing two different events?
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Basic Chunnel posted:Young Bucks retire bitch Are you listening to Cornette again
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Sanguinia posted:And Hogan's drawing power is clearly identifiable through 98 as well? Because I find it really hard to fathom it surviving Starcade 97 intact. How do you isolate Hogan's influence from Goldberg and all the celebrities that WCW was involved with that year? Even DDP was a needle mover right, so surely him getting hot and reaching Main Event status was a factor as well in 98 being the year WCW took over the world. Considering Hogan's little game of fighting Goldberg on free TV with like two weeks notice instead of working a PPV program with him, how does one measure Hogan bekng "worth it" in 98? Look at it this way - if Cena jumped over to TNA right now by himself, as a face, would he bring them to #1? Hell no. Now if 2 other top WWE talents jumped over like Hall and Nash did and started a heel faction capitalizing on Cena's first heel turn, would that bring them to #1? More likely. That's a good question - what 2 WWE talents would fit that role and make money for TNA? I'm thinking Lesnar and...Punk maybe?
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sportsgenius86 posted:That match drew a big gate and a huge rating on that two weeks notice. Most of the gate had been drawn before the match was announced. As for Hogan in 98, Hogan vs Macho Man drew really well as the Uncensored 98 main event and Bash at the Beach 98 with Hogan and Rodman vs DDP and Malone was the second biggest PPV in WCW history. Hogan/Warrior flopped but Hogan vs Flair at Superbrawl 99 outdrew McMahon vs Austin on PPV.
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Skinty McEdger posted:Didn't Hogan/Warrior initially do what would have trended towards a solid gate/buyrate but then drop off as fans saw more of the program on Nitro? It got a big reaction the first week and Nitro trended up in the ratings in August, and by September the feud was totally dead.
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We've finally found it, the time Bryan Was Right
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All jokes aside, solid drat Bryan and Vinny (and Craig) tonight. It was so good I didn't get annoyed by Craig.
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Welp, Raven has a new podcast and his cohost is Johnny Swinger, who is a Trump supporter.
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CombineThresher posted:Welp, Raven has a new podcast and his cohost is Johnny Swinger, who is a Trump supporter. Wow, hope we can get back to the day of enlightened political opinions only from professional wrestlers
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algebra testes posted:"Steve Austin was a big star" Vinnie: Let me write this down....
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Marquis de Pyro posted:Wow, hope we can get back to the day of enlightened political opinions only from professional wrestlers The only real world politics talk I like in my wrestling podcasts s Meltzer discussing the finer points of Russian politics and his scoops on Putin.
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Skinty McEdger posted:The only real world politics talk I like in my wrestling podcasts is Meltzer discussing the finer points of Russian politics and his scoops on Putin. Yeah, I'd prefer just not hearing wrestlers talk politics at all, even the ones I agree with. Raven had the grace to shut down the politics talk relatively quickly, at least.
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CopywrightMMXI posted:Meltzer: Steve Austin shopped for a doctor after the Owen injury until he found someone who cleared him. Then he had the best years of his career. But I'm not saying Steve Austin was doctor shopping. It's kind of easy to forget how good technically Austin was before the neck injury. Was watching some of his WCW stuff yesterday, and he was great.
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So it sounds like Meltzer has been talking to Danielson? Haha
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