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The X-man cometh posted:His feelings are hurt enough that he'd take a job with the Browns? I think it's a decent business decision on his part. Prove your worth with another team and build your resume. Packers GM spot isn't likely to open up for a good long while, so if you want to be upwardly mobile it's not a bad call.
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His experience is mostly scouting pro personnel, and the Browns have nine figures of cap space heading into next year
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mastershakeman posted:the bears hosed up. i dont know how or why but i know they did. just you watch Hrm, how did the last Andy Reid OC hired as NFC North head coach work out? Assuming you can get a once in a generation running back and a hall of fame QB to have one last great spite driven season you've got a good shot at another championship...
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unl33t posted:Hrm, how did the last Andy Reid OC hired as NFC North head coach work out? Assuming you can get a once in a generation running back and a hall of fame QB to have one last great spite driven season you've got a good shot at another championship... I will always remember Brad Childress for this.
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Deki posted:I think it's a decent business decision on his part. Prove your worth with another team and build your resume. Packers GM spot isn't likely to open up for a good long while, so if you want to be upwardly mobile it's not a bad call. This doesn't seem like a business decision. It just seems like an unwillingness to accept that Elliot Wolf likely isn't ready for a GM position.
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SKULL.GIF posted:I will always remember Brad Childress for this. hey man, they walked away with a hall of fame DE and a 6 year quality starter at center when it was all said and done. I’ll gladly take a draft with that kind of outcome again.
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Also like most of all the goddamn coaches in the league are from the Andy Reid, Holmgren, Walsh tree in some form or fashion
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Abugadu posted:Pettine is solid, he's been good when given good players on defense (Jets, Bills) and average to below average when given poo poo players (Browns). His last season with the Browns is mildly worrying, but I can't name a major defensive player on that unit outside of Haden. Wasn't Haden cut before the season
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Deki posted:I think it's a decent business decision on his part. Prove your worth with another team and build your resume. Packers GM spot isn't likely to open up for a good long while, so if you want to be upwardly mobile it's not a bad call. Also the Packers gave his current job as Director of Football Operations to Russ Ball as part of the reorganization - looks like he was without a chair when the music stopped. Silverstein says Gutekunst offered him some sort of position, but there's nothing left that doesn't look like a demotion.
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Dexo posted:Also like most of all the goddamn coaches in the league are from the Andy Reid, Holmgren, Walsh tree in some form or fashion 25% of the league's head coaches are Reid or one of his former assistants. Its crazy. A couple more years and he will nipping at Schottenheimer's heals for most successful head coach without a championship.
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Blotto Skorzany posted:Also the Packers gave his current job as Director of Football Operations to Russ Ball as part of the reorganization - looks like he was without a chair when the music stopped. Silverstein says Gutekunst offered him some sort of position, but there's nothing left that doesn't look like a demotion. The wild thing is that as part of the reorganization, Gutekunst, Ball and McCarthy all report to Mark Murphy. So the Packers' new GM literally doesn't have the authority to hire and fire the coach.
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Jan 9, 2018 17:43
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lmao everyone above and below Mike Mccarthy got fired or moved around.
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This is a pretty bizarre situation.
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Dexo posted:lmao everyone above and below Mike Mccarthy got fired or moved around. The Caldwell Manuever
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Timby posted:The wild thing is that as part of the reorganization, Gutekunst, Ball and McCarthy all report to Mark Murphy. So the Packers' new GM literally doesn't have the authority to hire and fire the coach. Packers fans are speculating that this organization (and the previous moves) are in large part because Ted Thompson sucks rear end at personal communication and there was a breakdown between him and McCarthy. So Murphy is making sure that situation doesn't happen again. The Browns do this, but so do several other teams in the league. I know the Jags structure have the GM and coach reporting to Coughlin separately. My concern is less about McCarthy and more about the relationship between Gutekunst and Ball. If Gutekunst doesn't have authority over Ball, that means Ball can be a problem when it comes to signing free agents and extending players. edit: some thought on this: http://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/dougherty/2018/01/08/dougherty-mark-murphys-move-comes-big-risks-packers/1013970001/ SKULL.GIF fucked around with this message at 19:48 on Jan 9, 2018 |
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SKULL.GIF posted:Packers fans are speculating that this organization (and the previous moves) are in large part because Ted Thompson sucks rear end at personal communication and there was a breakdown between him and McCarthy. Well, didn't McCarthy start taking snipes publicly at the team for its refusal to sign free agents? Also, Tom Oates of the Wisconsin State Journal flat-out quoted team sources in an article as saying that Thompson had become "increasingly more reclusive" in recent years.
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Timby posted:The wild thing is that as part of the reorganization, Gutekunst, Ball and McCarthy all report to Mark Murphy. So the Packers' new GM literally doesn't have the authority to hire and fire the coach. what is Gutekunst's job even If he doesn't have authority over the coaching staff and doesn't manage salaries then he's in charge of...drafting and what else? does he even have authority over second-tier staff like trainers and soforth, or is that also McCarthy's purview
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PupsOfWar posted:what is Gutekunst's job even Gutekunst: Roster McCarthy: Team Ball: Cap All reporting to Murphy, who says he wants to be more involved in football operations now and literally said that if, say, McCarthy and Gutekunst are in total disagreement over something, he'll break the tie. This was the same setup they had in the late '80s, with Lindy Infante and Tom Braatz both reporting to the team president, which led to incredible dysfunction (Braatz and Infante hated each other, so they were both politicking against one another), and ultimately resulted in Bob Harlan making the call to give total control over football operations to Ron Wolf.
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I think this structure is also in part because Ball was really angling for that GM job and probably would have left if he wasn't promoted in compensation for not getting it, and that McCarthy has over a decade in the franchise as the head coach. So McCarthy got that one year extension, right? If he performs poorly next season I think he's fired (via Murphy, who has seniority and experience on McCarthy -- there won't be a power struggle if Murphy decides to fire McCarthy compared to if Gutekunst attempted it) and Gutekunst will get to hire his own head coach and the structure will revert to a traditional vertical one. If he performs well, then I guess the horizontal structure is working and there won't be changes.
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SKULL.GIF posted:I will always remember Brad Childress for this. Hell yeah, he drafted Booty
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OxySnake posted:The Caldwell Manuever McCarthy is a Milford Man.
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This is a pretty complicated situation and I don't know if anyone involved is going to be happy with it if the team isn't successful in 2018. There is going to be a whole lot riding on the coming season.
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I just don't like Mark Murphy having his hands in everything football related. Let him build sled hills or whatever and leave football up to the Gute and McCarthy
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Fenrir posted:This is a pretty complicated situation and I don't know if anyone involved is going to be happy with it if the team isn't successful in 2018. There is going to be a whole lot riding on the coming season. I’m just glad they’re trying something different. Even if it turns out to be a disaster it was better to take a chance on new coaching staff than continuing to ride the Dom Capers train to early playoff exits.
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Fenrir posted:This is a pretty complicated situation and I don't know if anyone involved is going to be happy with it if the team isn't successful in 2018. There is going to be a whole lot riding on the coming season. or maybe aaron rodgers will come back and they'll win the division because of aaron rodgers and none of this will make a difference
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hell yeah, stay away from vic you chesse-headed churls
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R.D. Mangles posted:or maybe aaron rodgers will come back and they'll win the division because of aaron rodgers and none of this will make a difference Well, the hope is that Rodgers doesn't have to carry the team on his back the way he has for the last few years. Even a passable league average defense makes the Packers very strong contenders with a healthy Rodgers.
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Not unhappy with this at all. He only really had the one bad season (2nd with Cleveland) and it's hard to blame him for that considering that franchise's history. And without Pettine, Rex Ryan's defenses have looked really bad, giving greater credence to the idea that Pettine deserves credit. Solid hire IMO given his historical results. Obviously as a fan I don't know much more about the hiring beyond that, but on its face I don't see anything there to be upset about. I think all that's left is to figure out our positional coaches, decide if Philbin's going to be our OC, then start preparing for the draft?
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BGrifter posted:I’m just glad they’re trying something different. Even if it turns out to be a disaster it was better to take a chance on new coaching staff than continuing to ride the Dom Capers train to early playoff exits. Oh, I agree, it just seems like a pretty awkward situation that will not end well if 2018 isn't a good year. McCarthy will probably need a playoff run to save his job and the defense simply must improve. I like the Pettine hire. Not necessarily my first choice but defense certainly wasn't the problem when he was in Cleveland.
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Fenrir posted:I like the Pettine hire. Not necessarily my first choice but defense certainly wasn't the problem when he was in Cleveland. If Pettine could drag Cleveland to its only 7-9 season in like a decade (they haven't had a season better than 5-11 since that 2007 team)... I mean, the Packers went 7-9 this year. I'm pretty sure the '17 Packers had better talent on defense than the '14 Browns: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/cle/2014_roster.htm and he still managed 9th in points and 4th in takeaways. I'm excited to see what he can do with our young players. Capers was wasting them. Clark, Daniels, Martinez, Perry, King, Randall, Clinton-Dix? That's a core you can easily build a solid defense around, and everyone on that list is 27 or younger.
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I'm really impressed with how Randall in particular improved over the 2017 season and every player you listed is solid as hell. With a better scheme I really feel like there is a good defense here.
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Blowing up their organizational structure so they can keep Fat Mike and the cap guy is awesome. More of that, Packers.
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Fat Mike is on a prove it deal. So far the moves have been good.
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i think the packers moves sound good and that is how i feel about it right now, they could not be good or be good. maybe not. let's see
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Like I said, Fat Mike is probably gone without a convincing playoff run. His seat is practically on fire. You can't waste this amount of talent forever. Capers was here too long and Mike is responsible for that. This next year is going to be interesting. Fenrir fucked around with this message at 04:07 on Jan 10, 2018 |
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trestman would have been fine on a normal nfl team is my hottest take for tonight, justice for the trest man
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