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It's been ages since I've posted in the Trek thread but I have to pop in and say that one of my friends helped make today March 26th officially "Live Long & Prosper Day" in honor of Leonard Nimoy's birthday officially recognized for the first time this year by "Chase's Calendar of Events". https://www.llapday.com He also made some adorable graphics for it:   Anyway, I hope you all have been living long and prospering. Apple Jax fucked around with this message at 15:20 on Mar 26, 2018 |
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Timby posted:John Logan must be the nicest guy on the loving planet or something, because it seems as though no one ever has a bad word to say about him, and he continues to fail upward into more and more high-profile jobs, despite the vast majority of his output sucking out loud. Logan came to Nemesis right off of the success of Gladiator, which imo is a movie that succeeds despite rather than because of its writing (incidentally its script situation was sort of like that of Nemesis, Crowe meddled incessantly with it and probably wound up shaping the final product even more than Spiner did Nemesis), but which in the early 2000s was generally getting praised to high heaven in every way. Regardless of how it actually turned out, getting Logan must have seemed like a substantially better idea at the time than getting Baird to direct.
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Mar 26, 2018 15:53
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Apple Jax posted:Anyway, I hope you all have been living long and prospering. Actually, I died as a child and have been destitute since. Sorry.
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Mar 26, 2018 16:31
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skasion posted:Logan came to Nemesis right off of the success of Gladiator, which imo is a movie that succeeds despite rather than because of its writing (incidentally its script situation was sort of like that of Nemesis, Crowe meddled incessantly with it and probably wound up shaping the final product even more than Spiner did Nemesis), but which in the early 2000s was generally getting praised to high heaven in every way. Regardless of how it actually turned out, getting Logan must have seemed like a substantially better idea at the time than getting Baird to direct. Well, Logan's draft on Gladiator was so terrible that it was almost completely thrown out and rewritten by William Nicholson (who stayed on set to continue rewriting), but he retained a credit because enough of Commodus' dialogue was in the finished product. Just another example of him failing upward.
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Mar 26, 2018 16:48
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Timby posted:John Logan must be the nicest guy on the loving planet or something, because it seems as though no one ever has a bad word to say about him, and he continues to fail upward into more and more high-profile jobs, despite the vast majority of his output sucking out loud.
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Mar 26, 2018 17:14
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Timby posted:Well, Logan's draft on Gladiator was so terrible that it was almost completely thrown out and rewritten by William Nicholson (who stayed on set to continue rewriting), but he retained a credit because enough of Commodus' dialogue was in the finished product. Just another example of him failing upward. Even for all that, Russell Crowe is also said to have rewritten a huge amount of his dialogue. Anyway, I like Nemesis better than Into Darkness (the other Khan remake, that also manages to be less subtle and about 9/11 truthing), and I say that without doubt or regret. But Nemesis is terrible.
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Mar 26, 2018 17:16
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I think Into Darkness gets more hate than it deserves. Not to say that it’s a good film, but Nemesis has no real redeeming qualities.
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Mar 26, 2018 17:24
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My wife and I are about halfway through TNG season 1, which I thought might never happen because she had a bad experience attempting to watch Farpoint once. After watching all of TOS, she actually thought Farpoint wasn't bad this time around, because I guess she could see what they were going for with a new spin on the "godlike being" concept and all that. (Plus maybe a little bit of TOS season 3 fatigue.) I've never really seen season 1 at all aside from Farpoint, so this is an interesting experience for me too. So far, I'd say it's... not nearly as bad as I expected. It's obviously really cheesy in some ways, and still has a little too much of the classic Roddenberry plot devices, plus his overall weirdness about  But I'm really appreciating some of the deliberate efforts to address stuff that didn't make sense in TOS, such as how the captain isn't on every away mission and there's another guy for that. (Shame they forgot this in the movies and every other series, except DS9 obviously.) And it's really fun watching them giddily establish and explain some of the new technological advances like the holodeck. There's a real sense of excitement and new possibilities which is just so charming.One weird thing is the propensity for B-plots that go nowhere. I know that was partially the norm for episodic TV in the '90s, but some of them really go nowhere. The latest episode was "Angel One", which I guess has a whole host of other issues... But I was mostly bugged by how they had this subplot of the Enterprise crew getting the Space Flu, and Dr. Crusher basically spent some time researching it, found a cure, and... that's it. No surprise twist about its origin or its cure, no connection to the main plot, just a doctor doing her job.
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Mar 26, 2018 17:53
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To be fair the cure they originally wanted to use wasn’t working because the virus has mutated. The “twist” was that they had to go back to the lab for a few more hours.
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Mar 26, 2018 18:05
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dont even fink about it posted:Even for all that, Russell Crowe is also said to have rewritten a huge amount of his dialogue. I've said it before, but the actual degree to which Into Darkness rehashes Wrath of Khan is greatly overblown.
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Mar 26, 2018 18:26
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Windows 98 posted:The “twist” was that they had to go back to the lab for a few more hours. 
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Mar 26, 2018 18:54
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Sir Lemming posted:My wife and I are about halfway through TNG season 1, which I thought might never happen because she had a bad experience attempting to watch Farpoint once. After watching all of TOS, she actually thought Farpoint wasn't bad this time around, because I guess she could see what they were going for with a new spin on the "godlike being" concept and all that. (Plus maybe a little bit of TOS season 3 fatigue.) I've never really seen season 1 at all aside from Farpoint, so this is an interesting experience for me too. They hadn’t really figured out how to handle B plotting in a Trek episode yet, TOS only intermittently did that kind of thing, as opposed to Berman-era Trek where it became a matter of course even for episodes that would have been better off without it. Also many episodes were probably written by typewriter monkeys being micromanaged by Roddenberry’s insane attorney or whatever. I don’t really like it as a season of tv, but imo a lot of season 1 isn’t so much bad as very (necessarily) experimental and therefore really weird when compared to later TNG. At times it feels closer to the stuff it is following on from (TOS and movies, and TAS) than to the stuff that would follow on from it.
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Mar 26, 2018 18:56
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Timby posted:Well, Logan's draft on Gladiator was so terrible that it was almost completely thrown out and rewritten by William Nicholson (who stayed on set to continue rewriting), but he retained a credit because enough of Commodus' dialogue was in the finished product. Just another example of him failing upward. What’s the story behind his script for The Aviator? I love that film, but it still boggles my mind that the man responsible for Nemesis wrote it.
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Mar 26, 2018 19:09
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Big Mean Jerk posted:What’s the story behind his script for The Aviator? I love that film, but it still boggles my mind that the man responsible for Nemesis wrote it. He was rewritten, top-to-bottom, by an uncredited Michael Mann (just as he was rewritten by Zwick on The Last Samurai). Everyone did their best to keep it a secret, but it was accidentally blurted out by a drunken DiCaprio at a post-awards party.
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Mar 26, 2018 19:11
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Timby posted:He was rewritten, top-to-bottom, by an uncredited Michael Mann (just as he was rewritten by Zwick on The Last Samurai). Everyone did their best to keep it a secret, but it was accidentally blurted out by a drunken DiCaprio at a post-awards party. Hey man if they buy your script at least you're still an idea man.
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Mar 26, 2018 19:14
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Sir Lemming posted:One weird thing is the propensity for B-plots that go nowhere. I know that was partially the norm for episodic TV in the '90s, but some of them really go nowhere. The latest episode was "Angel One", which I guess has a whole host of other issues... But I was mostly bugged by how they had this subplot of the Enterprise crew getting the Space Flu, and Dr. Crusher basically spent some time researching it, found a cure, and... that's it. No surprise twist about its origin or its cure, no connection to the main plot, just a doctor doing her job. If I remember right, the space flu interacted with the main plot by providing a convenient plot reason why they couldn't just beam up the away team and the meninist rebels, so they had to stay and resolve it all with a speech. E: The episode I always think of with the who-cares B-plot was the one where Picard gets possessed by that cloud and beams himself into a nebula, oh and also they're ferrying some ambassadors who can't stop killing and eating each other. VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 19:18 on Mar 26, 2018 |
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Mar 26, 2018 19:15
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Timby posted:He was rewritten, top-to-bottom, by an uncredited Michael Mann (just as he was rewritten by Zwick on The Last Samurai). Everyone did their best to keep it a secret, but it was accidentally blurted out by a drunken DiCaprio at a post-awards party. This makes much more sense
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Mar 26, 2018 19:16
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dont even fink about it posted:Hey man if they buy your script at least you're still an idea man. Yeah, Logan's so much of an idea man that Ridley Scott had to pay off the writers and producers of The Battle Over Citizen Kane and give them a "based on" credit for RKO 281 shortly before release, because Logan lifted the documentary pretty much wholesale and they were going to sue the poo poo out of the production.
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Mar 26, 2018 19:18
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Timby posted:Yeah, Logan's so much of an idea man that Ridley Scott had to pay off the writers and producers of The Battle Over Citizen Kane and give them a "based on" credit for RKO 281 shortly before release, because Logan lifted the documentary pretty much wholesale and they were going to sue the poo poo out of the production. At least... At least... He's getting paid?
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Mar 26, 2018 19:20
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VitalSigns posted:If I remember right, the space flu interacted with the main plot by providing a convenient plot reason why they couldn't just beam up the away team and the meninist rebels, so they had to stay and resolve it all with a speech. Well I should've said it barely interacted with the main plot, but yeah. But they already didn't want to beam everyone away for Prime Directive reasons, so it still seemed pointless. Even at the most urgent point of the plot, they were still only discussing beaming away as a backup option they might possibly need to take. Thanks for mentioning that nebula/diplomat episode though, that was definitely another one where I was surprised that the plots didn't connect, but I couldn't remember it. I think what made these episodes weird is that both plots felt, potentially, equally important (even though they spent less time on one) and affected a few of the same people. Rather than being a side story to break things up and give the supporting characters something to do.
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Mar 26, 2018 20:17
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The diplomat/nebula one is Marc Alaimo's first Star Trek appearance, as this lovely fellow:
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Mar 26, 2018 20:25
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cheetah7071 posted:The diplomat/nebula one is Marc Alaimo's first Star Trek appearance, as this lovely fellow: Mr. Woof reporting for duty.
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Mar 26, 2018 20:51
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VitalSigns posted:E: The episode I always think of with the who-cares B-plot was the one where Picard gets possessed by that cloud and beams himself into a nebula, oh and also they're ferrying some ambassadors who can't stop killing and eating each other. People seem to hate the way Picard seems to shrug off an ambassador killing and eating another ambassador on the ship, but I really like it. There's a scene in Mad Men which I find similar and amusing: a guy just got his foot mangled by a riding lawnmower (in a Manhattan office building!), one of the sales guys says "I take full responsiblity", to which one of the owners waves it off and says "pfft, whatever, somewhere in this industry, this has happened before." I like to think Picard's thinking "well, I'm not recovering from an attempted assassination, my first officer isn't undergoing highly experimental medication so he can save his dad's life, and we're not being strafed by an overgunned Orion hotrod... yeah, I'm still having a better day than Kirk was, we're good!"
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Mar 26, 2018 21:49
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Quark having a meltdown over Zek’s revisions to the rules of acquisition is amazing
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Mar 26, 2018 23:04
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Windows 98 posted:Quark having a meltdown over Zek’s revisions to the rules of acquisition is amazing Quark owns Zek owns Ferengi episodes own They own enough to still own, even with that one in the mix
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Mar 27, 2018 04:19
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Gentlemen, if the forums die: it's been an honor.
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Mar 27, 2018 04:58
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Gentlemen, if the forums die: it's been an honor. If the forums die, watch DS9
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Mar 27, 2018 05:16
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Why are the forums dying?
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Mar 27, 2018 07:03
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MikeJF posted:Why are the forums dying?
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Mar 27, 2018 07:08
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MikeJF posted:Why are the forums dying? Reddit is free, no one buys platinum anymore, SA has always been on the verge of going broke Just ban everyone in CD, D&D, FYAD, and ADTRW and watch the  flow in
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Mar 27, 2018 07:47
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MikeJF posted:Why are the forums dying? The forums haven't made any money in half a decade, Lowtax needs major back surgery and has the peakest of peak America health "insurance", and SA has already been running on fumes borrowed from his retirement accounts for years. There is a solution to the cash flow problem, though: Big Mean Jerk posted:Just ban everyone in CD, D&D, FYAD, and ADTRW and watch the
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Mar 27, 2018 10:05
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Build the spine and make FYAD pay for it seriously though that is really terrible 
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Mar 27, 2018 11:03
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Nessus posted:Lowtax needs spinal regeneration surgery, but because everyone talked themselves into not building the Federation he has to pay like a million dollars for it. Buy plat or something. Lost a fight with a crate. 
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Mar 27, 2018 15:09
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Lowtax calls his daughter to his bedside and asks her to ritually stab him
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Mar 27, 2018 15:14
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Lowtax takes a sip of mangosteen juice and his face lights up. "A warrior's drink!"
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Mar 27, 2018 15:17
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Gentlemen, if the forums die: it's been an honor. Do the needful and take all that money you're making from your "Watch DS9 and post about it" Patreon and save SA! Wait *checks post history* Oh... Apple Jax posted:It's been ages since I've posted in the Trek thread but I have to pop in and say that one of my friends helped make today March 26th officially "Live Long & Prosper Day" in honor of Leonard Nimoy's birthday officially recognized for the first time this year by "Chase's Calendar of Events". https://www.llapday.com And I missed this at the top of the page but it is cool and good.
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Kibayasu posted:Do the needful and take all that money you're making from your "Watch DS9 and post about it" Patreon and save SA! Hahaha
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Mar 27, 2018 16:37
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Lowtax gets dunked on by the baddie of the week Uwe Boll, to show how strong he is.
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Mar 27, 2018 17:49
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If the forums were going to be saved, a Lowtax from the future would already have come back to reassure us
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I hope the forums live because I don't want to talk about Things with Thing People, they're just the worst Also I hope lowtax lives too 
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