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MrBims posted:Of course those three are lagging behind, they're the ones who are going to survive whatever happens next. That is exactly what I thought. Unlike most people, though, my first thought after it was "oh no Feferi". Please don't double-die, Feferi. Seoinin posted:That would be really loving stupid for a variety of reasons including making large parts of the past Act completely irrelevant. psyche they all die again, the end no moral. storytelling *jazz hands*. Actually, in a way, the perfect capstone to Vriska's arc and lack of character growth or change would be her to (double-)die, having failed utterly and accomplished nothing (besides serving as an example of what not to do to whoever isn't destroyed), really. Blackheart posted:This also had somehow ruined Vriska forever and completely eliminated her ~character growth~ (insert Fat Vriska joke here). But well, that's what I get when I read discussions about this comic anywhere outside this thread. I've said this in here before, but my viewpoint on it is that that's the point; Vriska didn't grow or change. She acknowledged that she was doing bad things, then she kept doing them and enjoying them. She felt a little worse than normal later (see her grinning as she kills Tavros, then moping at John about how she's not a bad person and it's totally his fault she murdered him afterward), but she's basically never actually done anything to show she's become a better person. Hence why I think the universe smacking her down one last time for doing horrible things for her own benefit is actually a decent end to her story. As long as Feferi isn't collateral damage, at least. JT Jag posted:I think the only way this story can really end with a happy ending is with the complete destruction of paradox space while reality itself remains intact. Paradox space is the true antagonist of this story: Any true act of free will inevitable ends in complete oblivion, not just for you but for your entire reality. If the destruction of paradox space and all of its rules is Aradia's endgame and that's what she means by wanting to see what happens when the whole place breaks apart, then she really is the only one with her eyes on the prize. Not much to say here myself, but I like this theory. Thought Aradia in these updates was interesting too.
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Can I just add it's strangely refreshing to see John be made uncomfortable by something and questioning people's motives? I think it might be character growth on John's part that he's actually digging a little here instead of just accepting things as they're presented to him.
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Mar 23, 2013 06:05
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Oh hey! the only three characters who aren't ghosts are keeping their distance from the rest of the group. This can't possibly mean that something bad is about to happen, no siree!.  Aradia is creepy in the most adorable way possible. 
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I'm like... 90% onboard with Aradia's philosophy. She's in a corrupt-but-useful system and she's not actively saving it or dooming it. She's letting someone else make the decision, and sticking around to see what happens next.Dolash posted:Can I just add it's strangely refreshing to see John be made uncomfortable by something and questioning people's motives? I think it might be character growth on John's part that he's actually digging a little here instead of just accepting things as they're presented to him. All the dumbassery was funnelled into Jake. There was none left for John.
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Dolash posted:Can I just add it's strangely refreshing to see John be made uncomfortable by something and questioning people's motives? I think it might be character growth on John's part that he's actually digging a little here instead of just accepting things as they're presented to him. Oh yeah, that's definitely nice. John ceasing his passivity (somewhat, he still hasn't off and told Vriska and Aranea that they're lunatics or outright left, though he can't do the latter until he wakes up anyway) is him actually growing as a character and getting ready to start doing things. Exactly what he needs for the final act.
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Bobulus posted:I'm like... 90% onboard with Aradia's philosophy. She's in a corrupt-but-useful system and she's not actively saving it or dooming it. She's letting someone else make the decision, and sticking around to see what happens next. snucks fucked around with this message at 06:39 on Mar 23, 2013 |
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The afterlife as we've seen it is has always felt a little sinister to me. The dark gods only created it because Feferi asked them to, and it seems only to exist for session players from universes A, B, or U (which is odd because we know that there are ghosts that don't work that way). In a sense it denies to Sburb players whatever afterlife they would normally have been entitled to, or it might be considered a part of the cruel and mysterious Sburb cycle. For life to end in an eternity of stasis is like Lord English's unconditional immortality: unnatural. How good can it be if it means John can never in life or in death be reunited with his father?
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I really like the original dreambubble afterlife we were presented with, where ghosts just timelessly live out their memories over and over and generally don't realize they're dead unless someone living comes/dreams in to shake them out of it. There's something kind of beautiful and sad about it. The comic got away from it though, with the Beforus trolls all knowing they've been dead in a dreambubble for ages and having post-death relationships and everything.
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Omnomnomnivore posted:I really like the original dreambubble afterlife we were presented with, where ghosts just timelessly live out their memories over and over and generally don't realize they're dead unless someone living comes/dreams in to shake them out of it. There's something kind of beautiful and sad about it. The comic got away from it though, with the Beforus trolls all knowing they've been dead in a dreambubble for ages and having post-death relationships and everything.
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Mar 23, 2013 07:28
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Anyone know what the trick is behind Power Fantasy sounding ridiculously awesome on headphones?
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Well, John sure is learning that trolls are crazy murderous lunatics who only seem charming but are not to be trusted! I hope this doesn't ruin things for Karkat later. 
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Mystic Mongol posted:Well, John sure is learning that trolls are crazy murderous lunatics who only seem charming but are not to be trusted! My ships! 
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Tollymain posted:My ships! My revolution of the proletariat!
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Mar 23, 2013 10:29
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Aradia is the most adorable true neutral.
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Action Shakespeare posted:Aradia is the most adorable true neutral. Yeah, at this point I'm almost regretting switching avatars.
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Mar 23, 2013 12:36
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After like half an hour of wearing my Vriska shirt, I already feel more confident (and assholish). This is fuckin' awesome. Bless you, Vriska. Bliska.
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Mar 23, 2013 13:24
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Congratulations John, you're finally understanding what's going on for once.
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Omnomnomnivore posted:I really like the original dreambubble afterlife we were presented with, where ghosts just timelessly live out their memories over and over and generally don't realize they're dead unless someone living comes/dreams in to shake them out of it. There's something kind of beautiful and sad about it. The comic got away from it though, with the Beforus trolls all knowing they've been dead in a dreambubble for ages and having post-death relationships and everything. I figure it's a domino effect. Things started out that way, but once you get one guy to wake up it starts cascading through the nontime/nonspace of the furthest ring as people start walking in on others memories
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Vriska and Meenah are the only people we've seen in dreambubbles immediately after dying, am I correct about that? (not counting people who had already been in the dreambubbles once before, like Nepeta and Feferi) It could actually be that only beta timeline characters are unaware of their deaths when in dreambubbles unless awakened by outside forces, too--it was the Dave that got slashed by Jack Noir and the John who was killed by Typheus who weren't initially aware of where they were. nerdbot fucked around with this message at 21:31 on Mar 23, 2013 |
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nerdbot posted:Vriska and Meenah are the only people we've seen in dreambubbles immediately after dying, am I correct about that? (not counting people who had already been in the dreambubbles once before, like Nepeta and Feferi) I can't remember any off the top of my head, except for Hussie himself. EDIT: I just realized Expedition contains a remix of English (and Explore, but I knew that already).  It's just barely recognizable, unless you start specifically listening for it. Or maybe I'm just bad at this.
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Color Printer posted:
I recognized it right away (hey is this a happy version of lord english's theme?), but then again it's also mentioned in the song description: Expedition posted:"Expedition by Mark Hadley, featuring melodies from "English" by Toby "Radiation" Fox and "Explore" by George Buzinkai "
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Blackheart posted:I recognized it right away (hey is this a happy version of lord english's theme?), but then again it's also mentioned in the song description: I'm apparently just blind/illiterate/a complete moron, then.  (Either that or I just plain forgot, I guess.)
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Color Printer posted:I'm apparently just blind/illiterate/a complete moron, then. Don't feel bad, there's so much Homestuck music at this point that even when I recognize an existing melody worked into another piece, I don't remember its name half the time. For example I still wouldn't know which piece is Penumbral Phantasm (despite everybody else seeming to because it crops up everywhere) without having realized that FantasyP is basically Penumbral Phantasm: Happy Version.
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Mar 24, 2013 03:11
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I sure hope you guys hit the replay button on this flash.
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Mar 24, 2013 03:30
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So comic-Hussie was trying to bring Vriska back to life. This can only go a few ways.
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Wasn't there somebody who theorized that a gold ring about that size could be stretched to a length of one yard, or flattened to a square yard, or something?
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That has to be the most meta "HUSSSSSSSSIE!" ever.
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Mar 24, 2013 03:35
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So, did John bring that ring with him? Now would be a great time to bring that out.
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Mar 24, 2013 03:36
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Isn't John currently in possession of that ring?
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Factory Factory posted:Isn't John currently in possession of that ring? Yeah, but he's not wearing it right now. It was sitting on the couch when he started dreaming
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Regy Rusty posted:I sure hope you guys hit the replay button on this flash. I was really hoping the audio controls would do the same thing, since it didn't seem to have any sound as far as I could tell.
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John may have the ring but I think he'd be too responsible to go around using it willy-nilly without knowing more first.
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All the ghosts start fighting over the Ring of Life, creating chaos that Lord English can exploit. John is going to find somebody dead and use the ring on them. But whom?
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Ah, so this is how Nepeta finally comes back.
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Bongo Bill posted:All the ghosts start fighting over the Ring of Life, creating chaos that Lord English can exploit. John is going to find somebody dead and use the ring on them. But whom? He should use the ring on Sollux, finally putting to rest the 'alive/dead/half-alive/half-ghost' bullshit.
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Aaaaaaaaaaand there's our seven dragonballs.
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If only there was a dead character, possibly connected to the main villain of the comic, who might be able to turn the tables if they came back to life. Can't think of anyone, though.
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Assuming the ring is a one-time use item (no way Hussie would let everyone resurrect in an orderly fashion), he essentially gave Vriska a 1-up. Alternately, perhaps Caliborn gets his hand on the ring, and that explains why defeating him isn't enough to "win"? edit: Yeah, Calliope will probably get it, somehow.
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Well, here we go, we've finally got the unambiguous no-strings-attached-(yet) get-out-of-being-dead card. More than likely, since it's a ring, it'll only get used once (would kind of kill the drama if they all passed it around in a big circle, coming back to life). I'm going to guess the ring of void will get mistaken for it at least once, probably after going through a big fuss to get their hands on it. It'll probably go to some version of Calliope. Edit: In order to really emphasize how Feferi and Nepeta have outlived what little usefulness they ever had, they will never speak real words again between now and their inevitable double-deaths. Dolash fucked around with this message at 04:02 on Mar 24, 2013 |
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