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Its primary purpose is to increase taxes from EV drivers so I'm just a bit salty. Also GPS-tracking all vehicles is a bit... problematic.
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That’s probably a shot across the nose of EV owners since they don’t pay the gas tax. I’d imagine the state is losing lots of money by people switching. There’s a bunch of states that charge an extra few hundred in their yearly registration for EV owners. Being an EV owner, keep the gas tax 
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May 18, 2024 02:33
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Keep the gas tax, and add a registration fee based on vehicle weight.
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May 18, 2024 02:42
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There should be both, keep gas tax at what it is now and then charge a mileage tax that is based on the vehicle weight. EVs cause significantly more road wear than a gasoline engine car because of weight and also because of weight create a lot more rubber pollution from tire wear. Use any excess money above road maintenance on public transit and affordable housing near public transit
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May 18, 2024 02:42
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jetz0r posted:Keep the gas tax, and add a registration fee based on vehicle weight. Dump the gas tax and just increase income taxes. Roads are a public good and income tax is a reasonably equitable way to fund them. Also finish building that drat train Most of the road damage comes from heavy trucks and other heavy equipment anyways.
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May 18, 2024 02:53
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Actually, gently caress it. Everyone pays the mileage amount of the highest driver in the state, and all the money is spent on trains, light rail, and street cars. Fast forward 20 years, still +0 miles of usable rail built.
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May 18, 2024 05:09
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jetz0r posted:Actually, gently caress it. Everyone pays the mileage amount of the highest driver in the state, and all the money is spent on trains, light rail, and street cars. LA is building a lot of subways and rail lines
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May 18, 2024 05:12
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OgNar posted:I dont drive but this would kick rear end. Further, I have complete faith that California will make it overly complicated (a la CARB catalytic converters) rather than just doing a simple annual or bi-annual odometer check. California always leans towards overly technical solutions to prevent fraud, yet the amount of fraud they're preventing is minimal compared to the additional hassle they build in to prevent that small bit of fraud.
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May 18, 2024 07:22
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Looking forward to the "we assume 17,000 miles per year unless you bring it in for an inspection twice annually" the classic car guys who start the engine once a year will love that Just assess a flat, annual tax on cars and trucks already Gas prices won't go down Hadlock fucked around with this message at 07:37 on May 18, 2024 |
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May 18, 2024 07:34
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Hadlock posted:Looking forward to the "we assume 17,000 miles per year unless you bring it in for an inspection twice annually" the classic car guys who start the engine once a year will love that By the way, the assessment will cost $149 plus fees.
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May 18, 2024 07:44
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Hadlock posted:Looking forward to the "we assume 17,000 miles per year unless you bring it in for an inspection twice annually" the classic car guys who start the engine once a year will love that for the millionth time, the gas tax is a combined mileage and weight tax, mileage and weight is what incurs road maintainance, and scaling a person's share of the cost of infrasctructure with how much wear and tear they cause is good policy. get over it. some kind of proportional road tax is coming, and it should be
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May 18, 2024 07:49
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drk posted:Dump the gas tax and just increase income taxes. Roads are a public good and income tax is a reasonably equitable way to fund them. Also finish building that drat train This. Miles traveled still punishes those who can't afford to live near their jobs. All travel taxes, whether by fuel consumption or mileage, or express lane tolls are regressive and most burdensome on the lower classes. Charge a scaling additional fee to register vehicles worth $30,000 or more for extra sauce. Go after those with money, not those forced to participate. First of May fucked around with this message at 08:00 on May 18, 2024 |
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May 18, 2024 07:49
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Here's the pilot program you can volunteer for. You have the option of a OBD dongle, GPS, or an odometer photo (at least for the pilot). If you drive out of state you still get charged the road tax unless you use the GPS. You pay the proposed per-mile during the pilot but the gas tax you pay is supposed to be reimbursed after the study ( Tayter Swift fucked around with this message at 08:17 on May 18, 2024 |
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May 18, 2024 07:52
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First of May posted:This. Miles traveled still punishes those who can't afford to live near their jobs. All travel taxes, whether by fuel consumption or mileage, or express lane tolls are regressive and most burdensome on the lower classes. Charge a scaling additional fee to register vehicles worth $30,000 or more for extra sauce. Go after those with money, not those forced to participate. if its just miles traveled, yeah, because commercial trucking causes like 90% of road maintenance needs. it has to scale with weight too. if businesses are going to incur 90% of maintenance costs ona segment of public infrastructure, not taxing that revenue-generating degredation of public resources amounts to a public subsidy of those businesses. so you want to... subsidize trucking by taxing workers. to avoid being regressive. ok
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If we're gonna have a gas tax, then we should also have a grass tax, to punish people for wasting water on lawns. But then we'd probably also get an rear end tax 
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May 18, 2024 07:59
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The Glumslinger posted:LA is building a lot of subways and rail lines LA's subway kicks rear end, you can go from Long Beach to Pasadena on one train now.
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Cactus Ghost posted:if its just miles traveled, yeah, because commercial trucking causes like 90% of road maintenance needs. it has to scale with weight too. if businesses are going to incur 90% of maintenance costs ona segment of public infrastructure, not taxing that revenue-generating degredation of public resources amounts to a public subsidy of those businesses. so you want to... subsidize trucking by taxing workers. to avoid being regressive. ok No, I didn't say that, and I didn't draw a distinction between private commuting and heavy trucking. I'm in favor of taxing heavy shipping proportionally for their use of public infrastructure.
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CPColin posted:If we're gonna have a gas tax, then we should also have a grass tax, to punish people for wasting water on lawns. Unfortunately we already have a grass tax, but it's on the recreational kind.
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May 18, 2024 08:14
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I'll admit some of my saltiness is because I work for a State agency which directly promotes electric vehicles and this directly undermines our work. Also it's great seeing yet another way my expenses are increasing despite not seeing a wage increase in three years, since the State also refuses to bargain in good faith with my union. It's great!
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May 18, 2024 08:19
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As someone who buys all my gas in Nevada, I object
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I kind of want to sign up for that pilot program because I drive a '79 pickup and it's hard to read the odometer because it doesn't photograph well. You know, give them something to think about. Edit: now that I think about it, I've been taking pictures over the years every time I go another thousand miles and I could submit those in reverse order and see what happens CPColin fucked around with this message at 17:17 on May 18, 2024 |
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May 18, 2024 17:13
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Tayter Swift posted:I'll admit some of my saltiness is because I work for a State agency which directly promotes electric vehicles and this directly undermines our work. Also it's great seeing yet another way my expenses are increasing despite not seeing a wage increase in three years, since the State also refuses to bargain in good faith with my union. It's great! Something like 20% (actually 25% last year) of all new cars are electric and don't pay gas tax Average lifespan of a car is 12 years so they're looking at 1/5 of their road repair revenue evaporating pretty rapidly They have to pay for roads and bridges somehow and transit is necessary for society to function it's not a luxury. It's important to pay for it but if cars don't use fuel anymore just make it part of income tax or (pick your favorite base, universal tax) it's silly I pay income taxes but in addition we have an entire division that prints stickers and sends lots of mail at great cost just for taxing cars. Just raise income taxes
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Also an interesting question - people like me who work from home are barely driving anymore. Even though I have a gas vehicle, I maybe drive a hour a week. I wonder how much that's cutting into transportation revenue given how little my car wears on the roads vs trucks that are driving regardless.
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CPColin posted:I kind of want to sign up for that pilot program because I drive a '79 pickup and it's hard to read the odometer because it doesn't photograph well. You know, give them something to think about. One weird loophole to get money back from the government!!
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May 18, 2024 18:24
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Traffic on Mondays and Fridays driving in to San Francisco from east bay is pretty tolerable(!) these days. I don't do that drive a lot, but sometimes. For me it's about 45-50 minutes into the city on the weekend and on a Wednesday it's like 2 hours (1 hr 50), but in Mondays and Fridays it's like 1 hr 15 min Delivery vans, plumbers, electricians, lawn people, service vans etc still have to drive around which in my neighborhood is a significant fraction of daytime traffic
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jetz0r posted:I want public transit, and more potholes. you should check out Oakland, the city of your dreams
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Dirk the Average posted:Also an interesting question - people like me who work from home are barely driving anymore. Even though I have a gas vehicle, I maybe drive a hour a week. I wonder how much that's cutting into transportation revenue given how little my car wears on the roads vs trucks that are driving regardless. In theory that means you aren't significantly contributing to road wear either.
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May 18, 2024 18:54
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Tayter Swift posted:In theory that means you aren't significantly contributing to road wear either. Right, but if trucks are still running just as much, and they wear the roads out by orders of magnitude more than I do, but don't pay orders of magnitude more than a passenger vehicle, then does decreased passenger traffic cut down the amount of revenue for roads significantly?
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May 18, 2024 19:06
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Tayter Swift posted:Also GPS-tracking all vehicles is a bit... problematic. On the one hand, most of our vehicles are already being aggressively tracked by the manufacturers already. On the other hand, that shouldn’t be tolerated either, so yes, this proposal can gently caress right off. Edit: and as if the reasons for that needed any more explanation, there's this: Eight Automakers Grilled by US Lawmakers Over Sharing of Connected Car Data With Police. "Beyond insurance costs, lawmakers are worried that connected-car data could be used to identify people who traveled across state lines to get an abortion or treatment for addiction." Yep. Same. Kestral fucked around with this message at 22:16 on May 18, 2024 |
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Hadlock posted:east bay, pretty tolerable doubt
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oh hey, the assembly has overwhelmingly approved a stupid "save the children" bill whose main purpose is to let age verification providers seek rents https://gizmodo.com/california-advances-bill-for-porn-site-age-verification-1851497841 listening to the committee session on it idk that im surprised legislators have the barest grasp of how technology works in practice, but i am somewhat surprised how receptive they are to some guy promising "it does!" when that guy has a vested interest in saying so, because it's what his employer sells farewell access to pornhub in california, it was a good run
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yeah i dont really see any career-minded legislator setting themselves up to be the Give Porn To Kids candidate
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California: The Real Dumb State
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Qtotonibudinibudet posted:farewell access to pornhub in california, it was a good run
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OUTLAW BEACH OWNERSHIP Taking our land it belongs to people do it
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CoffeeBoofer posted:OUTLAW BEACH OWNERSHIP Taking our land it belongs to people do it all ocean beaches in ca are already public property (correctly)
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Cactus Ghost posted:all ocean beaches in ca are already public property (correctly) The asterisks on this statement are like the stars in the sky.
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I can see the mileage tax impacting the poor more than the wealthy, that argument is going to come up. Poorer workers usually have to commute longer miles to their jobs verses someone who can live where they want. Heavy trucks/commercial vehicles already pay a mileage-based tax via IFTA if they are interstate, and already have higher registration fees. Even non-commercial vehicles with beds will get an additional weight fee slapped on it so pickup trucks and the like already have higher registration fees in CA. Instead of coming up with one system for everything, throw hybrids/ICE vehicles in the existing system of using fuel tax, and pure electric vehicles have a weight class registration fee. Does the general fund raid the transportation fund currently? It'll be nice to earmark those for large scale transit projects, a better LA-San Diego link that doesn't get wiped out by the occasional landslide in oceanside/san clemente, maybe a 91 cross region high speed rail link from inland empire to west la. I'm optimistic of seeing growth in Palmdale and further north when that new high speed rail link gets completed to Burbank that bypasses the existing metrolink route. Big K of Justice fucked around with this message at 20:00 on May 27, 2024 |
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